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What Did Carly Fiorina Really Say About Islam After 9-11?

 
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What Did Carly Fiorina Really Say About Islam After 9-11?
Wonder why the MSM is pumping up Carly?

I have to admit, I liked her statements at the debates, which led me to start researching the only thing more important than a person's words: Their deeds.

What Did Carly Fiorina Really Say About Islam After 9-11?
[link to gatesofvienna.net]

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When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.


Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population — that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
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Good catch!

This bit of real research shows it really pays to follow up on links. Reading out the Muslim Brotherhood dialog back then, slipping to the audience that long ago. Laying a few stones in the foundation of the future Islamic empire, wasn't she?

Who would have thought?

As an aside, when I clicked on the article and saw that photo, I immediately thought of a vampire. I looked closely but did not see the fangs, however, the impression lingers.
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"Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth."
[link to gatesofvienna.net]
Oh, sure he did. Like when?

Hardly anybody has even heard of Rumi, he has always been a niche poet in the western world, and any great influence he has on Western thought has come in the past decade or so, after unknown supporters of Islam liberally salted the net, where they can control the dialogue, with favorable comment.

I am sure that if Rumi were alive he would view the current trend of Mohammedanism with contempt, alarm and dismay.
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"Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership. " [link to gatesofvienna.net]

Good grief, the man died during a siege of Vienna in the 1500s. What did he contribute toward the notion of tolerance? He was a land hungry despot casting covetous eyes on the West, and was planning on subjecting new captives to the choice of convert or die. Really Carly, that was a dumb thing to say.
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Five stars and pin Op! So Carly thinks islam help preserve past civilizations? By destroying all statues, slaughtering their priests and scientists, burning the library at Alexandria and passing off discoveries they read about, such as math and astronomy, as discoveries of muslims? Islam destroyed much of our history and technological discoveries of the ancient world, artifacts like the Antikythera device show a glimpse of what has been lost, thanks to islam. Maybe Carly was doing her secret deals with Iran at this time? She also was candidate McCain's foreign policy adviser, did she tell him to go do selfies with the future ISIS leaders?
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She's correct. She's just stating historical facts you tards.
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"Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth."
[link to gatesofvienna.net]
Oh, sure he did. Like when?

Hardly anybody has even heard of Rumi, he has always been a niche poet in the western world, and any great influence he has on Western thought has come in the past decade or so, after unknown supporters of Islam liberally salted the net, where they can control the dialogue, with favorable comment.

I am sure that if Rumi were alive he would view the current trend of Mohammedanism with contempt, alarm and dismay.
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No way Steve Jobs called her, but, he's not here to say she's fibbing.
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One of the biggest urban legends is that muslims invented geometry and science. This myth has been around for a long time and repeated over and over as a way to justify islam. But its all a load of crock and some simple research proves it.. start with google.
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No way Steve Jobs called her, but, he's not here to say she's fibbing.
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Yeah she's full of shit. Terrible ceo that's why she hasn'
t ruined anymore companies since HP. Nobody in their right fucking mind would have that bitch run anything.
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What the hell is there to "like" about her?

We're only being told to like her by the MSM.

She's a ghoulish warmongering Establishment cunt w/ CIA connections.

She is the OPPOSITE of everything GLP ought to support.
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I detest Islam and all those radicalized from it. But come on, she is just stating facts if you know and have studied history for decades as I have. Doesn't mean just because she acknowledges these truths she is justifying radicalism.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. My IQ dropped from reading this post.
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Five stars and pin Op! So Carly thinks islam help preserve past civilizations? By destroying all statues, slaughtering their priests and scientists, burning the library at Alexandria and passing off discoveries they read about, such as math and astronomy, as discoveries of muslims? Islam destroyed much of our history and technological discoveries of the ancient world, artifacts like the Antikythera device show a glimpse of what has been lost, thanks to islam. Maybe Carly was doing her secret deals with Iran at this time? She also was candidate McCain's foreign policy adviser, did she tell him to go do selfies with the future ISIS leaders?
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I thought maybe she was talking about a different Muslim culture, but maybe she was just schmoozing future customers.

Actually Iran is not the same breed as the Arabic nations, they are Persians, and they speak Persian and look different too. A lot of them have blue eyes and lighter skin. Unfortunately for the country, the educated and wealthy, the cream of the crop, left when the Muslim Imam Ayatollah Khomeni came to power.
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She's correct. She's just stating historical facts you tards.
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Wrong. The biggest contribution the Ottoman Empire left to Europe and Western culture, was the percussion instrument, particularly the bass drum. Until the marching Jannisary bands accompanies the armies into Europe, Europe had never heard percussion in a band, and depended on the continuo of the baroque orchestra (harpsichord and bass) for the percussion. The kings liked the sound and had the bands and instruments captured.

That is about it.

And Carly did not know enough history to even pick up on it.

Rumi, Suleiman may be legendary in Qatar, but they are minor players in Western culture.
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I detest Islam and all those radicalized from it. But come on, she is just stating facts if you know and have studied history for decades as I have. Doesn't mean just because she acknowledges these truths she is justifying radicalism.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. My IQ dropped from reading this post.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10285594


Please post specific facts and specific examples of great contributions of Suleiman and Rumi to western culture.
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One of the biggest urban legends is that muslims invented geometry and science. This myth has been around for a long time and repeated over and over as a way to justify islam. But its all a load of crock and some simple research proves it.. start with google.
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Greek mathematicians such as Thales of Miletus and Pythagorus took geometry beyond the existing geometric knowledge of the Egyptians and Babylonians a thousand years before Mohammed was born. Ditto with science, the Egyptions, the Babylonians and the Greeks were all there first.

It was their shoulders that the Muslims stood on.
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Fiorina is an evil wretch!
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she is just another socialist new age cunt who hates the west and christianity


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"Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth."
[link to gatesofvienna.net]
Oh, sure he did. Like when?

Hardly anybody has even heard of Rumi, he has always been a niche poet in the western world, and any great influence he has on Western thought has come in the past decade or so, after unknown supporters of Islam liberally salted the net, where they can control the dialogue, with favorable comment.

I am sure that if Rumi were alive he would view the current trend of Mohammedanism with contempt, alarm and dismay.
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idol1 MUST BE OVERTHROWN. MASONS ARE POISON.
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They are being used as tools. most of the low ranks are decent people. We need to neuter their leadership -- the satanic illuminati -- and then rank and file masons would not be so easily manipulated into NWO bullshit.
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Good catch!

This bit of real research shows it really pays to follow up on links. Reading out the Muslim Brotherhood dialog back then, slipping to the audience that long ago. Laying a few stones in the foundation of the future Islamic empire, wasn't she?

Who would have thought?

As an aside, when I clicked on the article and saw that photo, I immediately thought of a vampire. I looked closely but did not see the fangs, however, the impression lingers.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


there is more to carly than meets the eye. it is quite interesting to look into her past. it definitely caught my attention and I would NOT vote for her.
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One of the biggest urban legends is that muslims invented geometry and science. This myth has been around for a long time and repeated over and over as a way to justify islam. But its all a load of crock and some simple research proves it.. start with google.
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Pythagorean Theorem


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One of the biggest urban legends is that muslims invented geometry and science. This myth has been around for a long time and repeated over and over as a way to justify islam. But its all a load of crock and some simple research proves it.. start with google.
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Pythagorean Theorem


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Pythagoras rocks!
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She's correct. She's just stating historical facts you tards.
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I detest Islam and all those radicalized from it. But come on, she is just stating facts if you know and have studied history for decades as I have. Doesn't mean just because she acknowledges these truths she is justifying radicalism.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. My IQ dropped from reading this post.
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Historical fairy tales.
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Did you here about the song being written about the 9/11 attacks?

It's called Goat Riders In The Sky.
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Did you here about the song being written about the 9/11 attacks?

It's called Goat Riders In The Sky.
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Groan...
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How Muslims Did Not Invent Algebra
by Enza Ferreri

Continuing on the theme of what Muslims did — or more likely did not do — for the world, there is a widespread misconception that they “invented algebra”. Maybe this fallacy is due to the fact that “algebra” is a word of Arabic origin, but historical questions are not solved by etymological answers.

Yes, the English word “algebra” derives from the Arabic. So does “sugar” (from the Arabic “sukkar”) but that doesn’t mean that Muslims invented sugar.

The word “algebra” stems from the Arabic word “al-jabr”, from the name of the treatise Book on Addition and Subtraction after the Method of the Indians written by the 9th-century Persian mathematician Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, who translated, formalized and commented on ancient Indian and Greek works.

It is even doubtful whether al-Khwarizmi was really a Muslim. The Wikipedia entry on him says:

Regarding al-Khwārizmī’s religion, Toomer writes:

Another epithet given to him by al-Ṭabarī, “al-Majūsī,” would seem to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion. This would still have been possible at that time for a man of Iranian origin, but the pious preface to al-Khwārizmī’s Algebra shows that he was an orthodox Muslim, so al-Ṭabarī’s epithet could mean no more than that his forebears, and perhaps he in his youth, had been Zoroastrians.

In all likelihood he was a Zoroastrian who was forced to convert (or die) by Muslim rulers because Persia had been conquered by the Islamic armies, and that was what Muslims did (and still do wherever they can). That could easily explain the “pious preface to al-Khwarizmi’s Algebra”.

Wikipedia also says:


In Renaissance Europe, he [al-Khwarizmi] was considered the original inventor of algebra, although it is now known that his work is based on older Indian or Greek sources.

There is archaeological evidence that the roots of algebra date back to the ancient Babylonians, and were then developed in Egypt and Greece. The Chinese and especially the Indians also advanced algebra and wrote important works on the subject.

The Alexandrian Greek mathematician Diophantus (3rd century AD), sometimes called “the father of algebra”, wrote a series of books, called Arithmetica, dealing with solving algebraic equations. Another Hellenistic mathematician who contributed to the progress of algebra was Hero of Alexandria, as did the Indian Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasphutasiddhanta.

With the Italian Leonardo Pisano (known as Leonardo Fibonacci, as he was the son of Bonacci) in the 13th century, another Italian mathematician, Girolamo Cardano, author in 1545 of the 40-chapter masterpiece Ars magna (“The great art”), and the late-16th-century French mathematician François Viète, we move from the prehistory of algebra to the beginning of the classical discipline of algebra.

Even Bertrand Russell, who in no way is a critic of the Islamic world, writes in the Second Volume of The History of Western Philosophy [pdf]:

Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neoplatonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry — in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches.

Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters. Its importance, which must not be underrated, is as a transmitter. Between ancient and modern European civilization, the dark ages intervened. The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual energy required for innovation, preserved the apparatus of civilization — education, books, and learned leisure. Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism — the Mohammedans chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth. In each case the stimulus produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters — in the one case scholasticism, in the other the Renaissance (which however had other causes also).

You can see that to say that Muslims invented or pioneered algebra is a gross misrepresentation.

In conclusion, there have been various attempts at historical revisionism concerning Islamic contributions to the world. These attempts are more political propaganda than academic scholarship. After all, taqiyya, lying to the infidels to advance Allah’s cause, is permitted, and even prescribed, to Muslims. Jihad does not consist only of violent aggression or terror attacks: it can be gradual, by stealth, through indoctrination and false reassurance.
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basically if you read the whole paper she admits the is a muslim at heart..





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