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User ID: 36421936 United States 08/18/2015 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't really need to read it though. When the "deal" is brokered by a muslim sympathizing lawless anti-western civilization Marxist... it's not really worth the paper it is written on. Seriously. Obama doesn't abide by actual laws we have here in the United States. Who in their right mind would think for a minute that a deal made by that kind of person with a foreign nation identified by our own government as a state sponsor of terrorism has any integrity at all? "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42521119 Costa Rica 08/18/2015 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Page 146 chapter 3 3. Review and approve in advance, upon request by Iran, engagement by Iran, including through export of any enrichment or enrichment related equipment and technology, with any other country, or with any foreign entity in enrichment and enrichment related activities, including related research and development, as provided for in paragraph 73 in Annex I; |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42521119 Costa Rica 08/18/2015 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Page 146 chapter 3 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42521119 3. Review and approve in advance, upon request by Iran, engagement by Iran, including through export of any enrichment or enrichment related equipment and technology, with any other country, or with any foreign entity in enrichment and enrichment related activities, including related research and development, as provided for in paragraph 73 in Annex I; 5. Review and approve in advance, upon request by Iran, the design, development, fabrication, acquisition, or use for non-nuclear purposes of multi-point explosive detonation systems suitable for a nuclear explosive device and explosive diagnostic systems (streak cameras, framing cameras and flash x-ray cameras) suitable for the development of a nuclear explosive device, as provided for in paragraphs 82.2 and 82.3 of Annex I; Did I read this right? |
abalienari non possu
User ID: 67073997 United States 08/18/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just pages one crossing into two they repeat "peaceful" in the same sentence... I'm no grammar major nor give two shits but this is a forced pill to see "peaceful" in the same sentence page 1 regarding Iran's nuclear deal... FFS! Quoting: abalienari non possu I count around 20 mentions of "peace" or "peaceful" regarding Iran's nuclear program within the 1st 25 pages. Only 1 mention from 26-159 Probably because they know most of the public, who even try to read this, will only trudge through about 25 pages. That is why one should read from back to front... :) exactly! Thus far it reads similar to what I imagine all gun free zone legislation must read... It's all built on our trust for Iran to abide just like we hope criminals abide by gun free zone laws... Cum dignitatis infixae omnibus humanae familiae partibus et eorum jurum aequalium , quae abalienari non possunt , agnitio constituat et in orbe terrarum libertatis et justitiae et pacis fundamentum |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70086431 Serbia 08/18/2015 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.documentcloud.org (secure)] Quoting: Lady Jane Smith This document is 159 pages long, but for anyone who wants to read and analyze for themselves the Iran Deal, here it is. 340 rabbis urge Congress to support Iran nuclear deal By wmw_admin on August 17, 2015 Kristina Wong — The Hill August 18, 2015 More than three hundred rabbis sent a letter to Congress on Monday declaring their support for the Iran nuclear deal and urging lawmakers to endorse it. “We encourage the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives to endorse this agreement,” read the Aug. 17 letter signed by 340 rabbis. The letter was distributed by Ameinu, which describes itself as a “national, multi-generational community of progressive Jews in North America.” The group in a statement described the signatories as rabbis “from all streams of Judaism.” The letter also sought to dispel the idea that all Jewish American community leaders oppose the deal. “Most especially, we are deeply concerned with the impression that the leadership of the American Jewish community is united in opposition to the agreement. We, along with many other Jewish leaders, fully support this historic nuclear accord,” it said. Eyes have turned to Jewish lawmakers and their constituents, as Congress prepares to vote on the controversial deal with Iran in September and as the White House seeks to shore up Democratic support. Read more here: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] This means that if IRAN accepts the deal , Iran will never make nuke weapons and if they do Iran is finished ? Reminds of Iraqis weapons of mass destruction concept. [link to firstlook.org (secure)] |
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User ID: 56638406 United States 08/18/2015 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | does it really matter WTF it says, one way or the other? i think not. those people are gonna do just exactly WTF they wanna do, when they wanna do it. BO and jarret? how the fuck could it? thanks for posting LJ. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
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User ID: 67073997 United States 08/18/2015 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anybody else seeing a repeated catch phrase that appears to be their "OUT"??!! ... within a lot of the stipulations at the end? "...,upon request by Iran, ...." and since Iran also makes up part of the JCPOA it would appear they will be overseeing themselves to make sure they are abiding by the rules. Cum dignitatis infixae omnibus humanae familiae partibus et eorum jurum aequalium , quae abalienari non possunt , agnitio constituat et in orbe terrarum libertatis et justitiae et pacis fundamentum |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52923498 United States 08/18/2015 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will read it - and can summarize, but it wont be right away.....anyone know when the vote date is? Quoting: EverythingIsAwesome I will read it - and can summarize, but it wont be right away.....anyone know when the vote date is? Quoting: EverythingIsAwesome That would be awesome. It's hard to understand. Like, what are they talking about with the bits about financial/money/banking ? |
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User ID: 64127183 Mexico 08/18/2015 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's just ludicrous how everybody feels like nuclear experts and scientist to even dare to coment about this deal. By miself I can only say I don't trust the Iran Ayatolah nor Obama by any means. "The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:9-14) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42521119 Costa Rica 08/18/2015 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Page 156 17. The United States will:[2] 17. Cease the application of the sanctions set forth in Sections 4.1 - 4.5 and 4.7 of Annex II, with the exception of Section 211(a) of the Iran Threat Reduction and Syria Human Rights Act of 2012 (TRA); 17. Cease the application of the sanctions set forth in Section 4.6 of Annex II, in connection with activities consistent with this JCPOA, including trade with individuals and entities set forth in Attachment 3 to Annex II; 17. Remove individuals and entities set forth in Attachment 3 to Annex II from the Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List (SDN List), the Foreign Sanctions Evaders List (FSE List), and/or the Non-SDN Iran Sanctions Act List as set forth in Section 4.8.1 of Annex II; 17. Terminate Executive Orders 13574, 13590, 13622, 13645 and Sections 5-7 and 15 of Executive Order 13628 as set forth in Section 4 of Annex II; and 17. License activities as set forth in Section 5 of Annex II. Got to research those executive orders... |
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User ID: 65969492 United States 08/18/2015 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Info Lady Jane Smith. Quoting: Resister Don't really need to read it though. When the "deal" is brokered by a muslim sympathizing lawless anti-western civilization Marxist... it's not really worth the paper it is written on. Seriously. Obama doesn't abide by actual laws we have here in the United States. Who in their right mind would think for a minute that a deal made by that kind of person with a foreign nation identified by our own government as a state sponsor of terrorism has any integrity at all? Right you are and it should automatically be DENIED |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361088 United Kingdom 08/18/2015 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Making a 'deal' with one of the nations the US vowed to take out long ago? Quoting: Baltimoran Making a deal with the 'Islamic Republic of Iran' when we do nothing but bomb the shit out of Muslims? Good old, sound US foreign policy, yessiree..... It probably is! Obama and co were threatening them recently and trying to convince the world they already had the capability to build a nuke and were gonna bomb us and we "have to stop them" (shades of Iraq there). They failed to convince anyone, as they did when they tried it in Libya and Syria. Libya and Syria they got round the problem by using proxies - the 'rebels'. Libya has now gone down, and they are close to getting Syria (to stop ISIS so they'll claim, which of course started out as the Syrian 'rebels'). Iran is different, they've been a little cleverer. Complete about face, and they are given the tech that could actually make a bomb. In the name of peace of course. *snort* Not gonna be very hard to manufacturer an incident to show those crazy Ayatollahs have gone and stabbed us in the back after we helped them, by making it appear as if they are planning to use it. This time, who could deny they have the tech, when the US gave it to them? You were all for peace and these bastards have betrayed all peace lovers everywhere. Well, that means the warmongers will have a legit excuse to take down Iraq while claiming the moral high ground. It's genius. Iran is foolish to trust them as US Administrations have a history of turning on their so-called 'allies' when it suits them. You watch, within a couple of years max we'll have taken over those oilfields 'to maintain the peace.' |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61859342 United States 08/18/2015 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Info Lady Jane Smith. Quoting: Resister Don't really need to read it though. When the "deal" is brokered by a muslim sympathizing lawless anti-western civilization Marxist... it's not really worth the paper it is written on. Seriously. Obama doesn't abide by actual laws we have here in the United States. Who in their right mind would think for a minute that a deal made by that kind of person with a foreign nation identified by our own government as a state sponsor of terrorism has any integrity at all? Israel did 9/11 |
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(OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 2601548 United States 08/18/2015 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Talking now about secret side deals between Iran and the UN. Even threatened inspectors to prevent disclosure. Quoting: Lady Jane Smith So, maybe the actual "Deal" as written is not the deal at all? Haha, you don't really think they would disclose THAT deal now do you? I cannot wait for this Administration to be history. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Lady Jane Smith
(OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 2601548 United States 08/18/2015 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Info Lady Jane Smith. Quoting: Resister Don't really need to read it though. When the "deal" is brokered by a muslim sympathizing lawless anti-western civilization Marxist... it's not really worth the paper it is written on. Seriously. Obama doesn't abide by actual laws we have here in the United States. Who in their right mind would think for a minute that a deal made by that kind of person with a foreign nation identified by our own government as a state sponsor of terrorism has any integrity at all? Israel did 9/11 Thank you for you input. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42521119 Costa Rica 08/18/2015 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these sanctions will be lifted if passed Executive Orders 13574 is about sanctions against persons [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)] Executive Orders 13590 is about AUTHORIZING THE IMPOSITION OF CERTAIN SANCTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROVISION OF GOODS, SERVICES, TECHNOLOGY, OR SUPPORT FOR IRAN'S ENERGY AND PETROCHEMICAL SECTORS [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)] Executive Orders 13622 AUTHORIZING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CERTAIN SANCTIONS SET FORTH IN THE IRAN THREAT REDUCTION AND SYRIA HUMAN RIGHTS ACT OF 2012 AND ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS WITH RESPECT TO IRAN [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)] Executive Orders 13645 Authorizing the Implementation of Certain Sanctions Set Forth in the Iran Freedom and Counter-Proliferation Act of 2012 and Additional Sanctions with Respect to Iran [link to en.wikisource.org (secure)] Executive Orders 13628 Sections 5-7 and 15 [link to en.wikisource.org (secure)] |
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User ID: 65969492 United States 08/18/2015 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Talking now about secret side deals between Iran and the UN. Even threatened inspectors to prevent disclosure. Quoting: Lady Jane Smith So, maybe the actual "Deal" as written is not the deal at all? Haha, you don't really think they would disclose THAT deal now do you? I cannot wait for this Administration to be history. Me to0, almost unbearable....... Last Edited by A Mery Can on 08/18/2015 05:22 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54153621 United States 08/18/2015 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Making a 'deal' with one of the nations the US vowed to take out long ago? Quoting: Baltimoran Making a deal with the 'Islamic Republic of Iran' when we do nothing but bomb the shit out of Muslims? Good old, sound US foreign policy, yessiree..... It probably is! Obama and co were threatening them recently and trying to convince the world they already had the capability to build a nuke and were gonna bomb us and we "have to stop them" (shades of Iraq there). They failed to convince anyone, as they did when they tried it in Libya and Syria. Libya and Syria they got round the problem by using proxies - the 'rebels'. Libya has now gone down, and they are close to getting Syria (to stop ISIS so they'll claim, which of course started out as the Syrian 'rebels'). Iran is different, they've been a little cleverer. Complete about face, and they are given the tech that could actually make a bomb. In the name of peace of course. *snort* Not gonna be very hard to manufacturer an incident to show those crazy Ayatollahs have gone and stabbed us in the back after we helped them, by making it appear as if they are planning to use it. This time, who could deny they have the tech, when the US gave it to them? You were all for peace and these bastards have betrayed all peace lovers everywhere. Well, that means the warmongers will have a legit excuse to take down Iraq while claiming the moral high ground. It's genius. Iran is foolish to trust them as US Administrations have a history of turning on their so-called 'allies' when it suits them. You watch, within a couple of years max we'll have taken over those oilfields 'to maintain the peace.' After watching this ruthless and treacherous chess game for the past 20 years, nothing would surprise me at this point. America has a way of over-using the same old tactics, though, and eventually they may backfire. |
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