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should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
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We are having some problems with kids being criminals in our communities GLP.

I've thought about it and can't see that what is being done now is effective.

Parents are letting their teens run all hours of the day and night and the kids are getting into trouble.

children don't fall far from the tree - often the parents themselves are dopers, gangbangers, criminals and their kids follow suit.

My idea is to hold the parents accountable. Fine the parents, jail them for creating social monsters. Cut off benefits if they have them. This is for all races.

I'm sick and tired of behavior displayed by the kids. Instead of making jail a place to hang out with older bangers, start up work camps again. Keep the inmate busy from dawn to dusk, put the inmate to work digging trails or roads, planting prison gardens, hiking up and down mountains, cleaning up highways, etc. with chain on their ankles. No more "work outs, tv watching, game playing" but physical effort all day.

Make having a trouble making or murderous kid something to be ashamed of; time to lower the boom.

Would love to hear better and more ideas on this matter....
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
If we started punishing the parents for what their kids do, then We would see a lot of parents starting to get involved in their child's lives.


Be kinda sad if that's how you get parents involved.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Yes.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
No.

A person's liberty should never be at risk due to the actions of someone else.

With that logic, one could successfully argue that society at large should be "arrested and charged with their crimes too".

Stick with punishing the people who actually commit the crime.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
If we started punishing the parents for what their kids do, then We would see a lot of parents starting to get involved in their child's lives.


Be kinda sad if that's how you get parents involved.
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I used to work with kids from juvie.

Some were really sad; they were totally created monsters from their parents.

Some parents didn't give a shit about their kids.

Some kids were truly sweet with hard rock parents.

I believe we need to get the parents to wake up. Toss them in jail if they aren't watching their kids.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Yes.
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Any other ideas?

What about sending kids out to ranches or farms to learn how to actually care for animals and work on the land?

Sending them home again is just putting them back in that toxic environment.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
No.

A person's liberty should never be at risk due to the actions of someone else.

With that logic, one could successfully argue that society at large should be "arrested and charged with their crimes too".

Stick with punishing the people who actually commit the crime.
 Quoting: Darkside Cookies


Well I respect your stance.

But when the child/teen returns home, to tattooed mom and her baby daddy, where money, drugs and sex rule the home, how does the kid have a chance to change?


Also, do you think a kid has become a troubled punk (he or she) alone? Don't you think the kid got "groomed" into being what he or she is at the home and ultimately, the parent?

What is your view about the parents responsibility?
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Like it was before this new turn them loose way gained more ground.
Kids to detention centers instead of jails or prison.
Adults to courts for adults after being investigated by social service and police.

Something is wrong if kids are turned loose.
Something is wrong with the lifestyle at home.

Detention centers are not dungeons they do offer some form or reform for them.
They may actually even change the way the kids life is heading.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
No.

A person's liberty should never be at risk due to the actions of someone else.

With that logic, one could successfully argue that society at large should be "arrested and charged with their crimes too".

Stick with punishing the people who actually commit the crime.
 Quoting: Darkside Cookies


Well I respect your stance.

But when the child/teen returns home, to tattooed mom and her baby daddy, where money, drugs and sex rule the home, how does the kid have a chance to change?


Also, do you think a kid has become a troubled punk (he or she) alone? Don't you think the kid got "groomed" into being what he or she is at the home and ultimately, the parent?

What is your view about the parents responsibility?
 Quoting: whatthehellll?


I appreciate the respect.

"But when the child/teen returns home, to tattooed mom and her baby daddy, where money, drugs and sex rule the home, how does the kid have a chance to change?"

Well the State doesn't have a solid history of providing better protection. Not every person is provided equal opportunities in this world. We are all required to play the cards we are dealt.

"Also, do you think a kid has become a troubled punk (he or she) alone? Don't you think the kid got "groomed" into being what he or she is at the home and ultimately, the parent?"

If the situation were as described a crime would have been committed and should be investigated. That said, the situation you describe is extreme and not representative of the majority.

"What is your view about the parents responsibility?"

Parents should be responsible for picking them up when their sentence is over.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Too many variables.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Like it was before this new turn them loose way gained more ground.
Kids to detention centers instead of jails or prison.
Adults to courts for adults after being investigated by social service and police.

Something is wrong if kids are turned loose.
Something is wrong with the lifestyle at home.

Detention centers are not dungeons they do offer some form or reform for them.
They may actually even change the way the kids life is heading.
 Quoting: Wondering Mind


Some of the kids actually do well in their classes in juvie, to escape boredom. I wish we could help them OUT of the urban lifestyle though.

Social Services seem to shine the parents on now.

I taught kids who were VERY disturbed, whose dad was a heroin dealer, and lived in a big home in a great area (he was white). The kid did his time but then went right back with the guy who created him, to the milieu that cradled him.

Some of the parents were well meaning; lots of grandmothers trying to raise a hellion grandson...they want their grandson to straighten out but he's intent on being the baddest ass on the block, although he does love his grandma. His mom on the streets, hooked on crack.

I had another kid in my class who was very humorous, loved his baby sister and often if given food at school, would go hungry to take it to her at home. At an open house evening, his mother showed up eating everything in sight (she was skinny) and refused to look at the work he had posted on the wall, she didn't give a damn, wouldn't feed her kids and didn't care for them.

depends on parents...
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
No.

A person's liberty should never be at risk due to the actions of someone else.

With that logic, one could successfully argue that society at large should be "arrested and charged with their crimes too".

Stick with punishing the people who actually commit the crime.
 Quoting: Darkside Cookies


Well I respect your stance.

But when the child/teen returns home, to tattooed mom and her baby daddy, where money, drugs and sex rule the home, how does the kid have a chance to change?


Also, do you think a kid has become a troubled punk (he or she) alone? Don't you think the kid got "groomed" into being what he or she is at the home and ultimately, the parent?

What is your view about the parents responsibility?
 Quoting: whatthehellll?


I appreciate the respect.

"But when the child/teen returns home, to tattooed mom and her baby daddy, where money, drugs and sex rule the home, how does the kid have a chance to change?"

Well the State doesn't have a solid history of providing better protection. Not every person is provided equal opportunities in this world. We are all required to play the cards we are dealt.

"Also, do you think a kid has become a troubled punk (he or she) alone? Don't you think the kid got "groomed" into being what he or she is at the home and ultimately, the parent?"

If the situation were as described a crime would have been committed and should be investigated. That said, the situation you describe is extreme and not representative of the majority.

"What is your view about the parents responsibility?"

Parents should be responsible for picking them up when their sentence is over.
 Quoting: Darkside Cookies



I've had young girls on the street who have been taken from their parents and put with an older relative or aunt who ALSO refuses to supervise the child or to really put themselves out for them. She was a beautiful teen but getting $50 from men ("for nothing"), she said. I was afraid for her, and talked with her many times, but she wasn't having it. she wanted to do what she wanted to do; no one was actually watching her.
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
did anyone see Trayvon Martin's mother's Facebook page she had posted before he was killed?

She had on a very low cut shirt showing cleavage with tattoos all across her chest.

Trayvon's dad had tattoos on his neck. They tried to clean up their image. She had no control over him, he was fighting (he liked to fight) and thugging. She dumped him on the dad who was living in another woman's home (in the same complex as Zimmerman) under the rule that the dad would be supervising Trayvon at all times. So he goes out with the woman leaving Trayvon and the woman's little boy alone for hours, until they take Trayvon away in the ambulance, then wait til the next day to check on him.

This is an example of a kid growing up in the gang banging tattooes household; uncontrollable, and no one willing to control him.

Mike Brown's step dad, wasn't he also a blood or crip? Mom beating up the older relative selling moments for Mike Brown? Another thug parent.

The parents aren't there controlling those kids before they get into trouble; but once the teen is dead, everyone is to blame but themselves. They can sue and get publicity and get money. Trayvon's parents got a million from the apartment complex alone.

Look at Elliott Roger, read his epic rant before he went on a killing spree. According to Elliott, His dad dumped Elliott's mom for a bitch who disliked him, and he had to move out of his family home with his mom. He lost his bedroom to his father's second litter. This was a kid left out to dry, he was crazy as a loon and should have been put in an institution. They sent him to a little college town, tried to pay other people to watch him, and look what happened. In each case, now they live with the knowledge their kid was a mass murderer and everyone lays much of the blame on THEM.

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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
I think, in addition to this, we need to explain to youthful offenders, that "TO ARREST" means (v): to stop, to halt the behaviour. If they knew what "being arrested" meant, they'd probably stop committing the crime, even seeing such actions as undesirable. We shouldn't assume that this has been explained to them: what is explained to them is "you have the right to remain silent; anything you say will be used against you" NOT "you need to stop".

Just the other day, right before the Sabbath in fact, I saw a young man punch an old man in the name of defending his girlfriend. Binghamton, NY. Lots of people saw it, but no one said or did anything to either react or intervene. But I sallied right up to him, looked him in the eye, and said, "Don't hurt him". And you know what? He stopped pursuing that old man.

Last Edited by John Sela on 08/16/2015 09:50 AM
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Re: should parents of rioting punks be arrested and charged with their crimes too? What do you think?
Why not just make it standard policy to charge the entire immediate family of anyone charged with a crime? In fact, why not just round up all "undesirables"/"useless eaters" (say, anyone not making X amount of taxable income) and put em into Concentration, er, I mean Internment Camps?

fucking retard. your racism makes you blind to how you're just blindly pushing a tactic of tyrants and fascists.

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