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Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?

 
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Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I have read that during the Middle Ages in the Piedmont Region of Southern Europe(Alps), the Waldenses used the Tarot Trumps as a study tool to help them better understand God and spirituality.

Can anyone guide me to any sources concerning this possibility?

Thanks
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I am convinced that the Tarot came from Egypt thousands of years ago. It then traveled along the Silk Road through the Ottoman Empire(Turkey), through Greece and Bulgaria and then into the Northern Italy area in the Alps around 1100AD.

This was an amazing time in this area! The Cathars, the Waldenses, the Tarot, Alchemy, the Gothic Cathedrals and the Troubadours all existed around the same time period.

This "awakening" scared the Catholic Church to death! That is why they killed tens of thousands of innocent people to destroy any traces of this Truth.

But clues survived. That is my quest. To find those lost clues. Can you help me?
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I know, that is most people's mindset.

Don't worry about. Go back to sleep.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
Very few people are aware that the Tarot is so much more than just about fortune telling. During the Inquisition, the Waldenses used the esoteric hidden knowledge of the Tarot Trumps(Triumphs) cards as a spiritual study/meditation tool.

They hid this knowledge by making the Church believe that the Tarot was just a silly card trick game.

When in Truth, it was the basis of their belief in God.

Come on folks, someone must know something.
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Since I'm talking to myself, I might as well share a very secret code concerning the Tarot Trumps.

The key to understanding the real meaning of the Tarot Trumps lies in the grouping 3x7+1.
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07/14/2015 02:59 PM
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I have read that during the Middle Ages in the Piedmont Region of Southern Europe(Alps), the Waldenses used the Tarot Trumps as a study tool to help them better understand God and spirituality.

Can anyone guide me to any sources concerning this possibility?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


What kind of sources are you looking for?
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I have read that during the Middle Ages in the Piedmont Region of Southern Europe(Alps), the Waldenses used the Tarot Trumps as a study tool to help them better understand God and spirituality.

Can anyone guide me to any sources concerning this possibility?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


That is actually a clever lie constructed by the vatican.


The Waldensians were not tarot card users

They were extremely pious honest God fearing people.

Who rome slaughtered without mercy.


Sabbath keeping Christians who rome started nasty lies against. Claiming they were sacrificing children, practicing all sorts of witchcraft and terrible things.

All lies.

Why you drag up a lie that even common sense let alone actual historical research can dispute is a bit strange.

Posting from Georgetown by any chance Mr. Jesuit?
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07/14/2015 03:01 PM
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Book of Thoth is a fine essay on the Tarot
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
People have become so lost, blind and stupid, they don't even consider why the church felt a need to destroy whole towns in the Piedmont region of the Alps.

The church was fanatical about killing whole villages of "heretics". They killed almost a MILLION people for one purpose. To stop the spread of this awakening.

That tells you one thing. There was a lot of Truth in the Waldenses/Cathar beliefs.
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Book of Thoth is a fine essay on the Tarot
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Have read it and owned it for years.

Go deeper...
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I have read that during the Middle Ages in the Piedmont Region of Southern Europe(Alps), the Waldenses used the Tarot Trumps as a study tool to help them better understand God and spirituality.

Can anyone guide me to any sources concerning this possibility?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


That is actually a clever lie constructed by the vatican.


The Waldensians were not tarot card users

They were extremely pious honest God fearing people.

Who rome slaughtered without mercy.


Sabbath keeping Christians who rome started nasty lies against. Claiming they were sacrificing children, practicing all sorts of witchcraft and terrible things.

All lies.

Why you drag up a lie that even common sense let alone actual historical research can dispute is a bit strange.

Posting from Georgetown by any chance Mr. Jesuit?
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Here we go, the name calling starts. Don't be so stupid.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
People have become so lost, blind and stupid, they don't even consider why the church felt a need to destroy whole towns in the Piedmont region of the Alps.

The church was fanatical about killing whole villages of "heretics". They killed almost a MILLION people for one purpose. To stop the spread of this awakening.

That tells you one thing. There was a lot of Truth in the Waldenses/Cathar beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


Indeed there was much Truth in their beliefs.

But occult practices were not one of them.


Slandering the pious dead is unwise.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
I have read that during the Middle Ages in the Piedmont Region of Southern Europe(Alps), the Waldenses used the Tarot Trumps as a study tool to help them better understand God and spirituality.

Can anyone guide me to any sources concerning this possibility?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


What kind of sources are you looking for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68823633


Some connection, links or sources to the Waldenses use of the Tarot Trumps as a spiritual study tool.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
People have become so lost, blind and stupid, they don't even consider why the church felt a need to destroy whole towns in the Piedmont region of the Alps.

The church was fanatical about killing whole villages of "heretics". They killed almost a MILLION people for one purpose. To stop the spread of this awakening.

That tells you one thing. There was a lot of Truth in the Waldenses/Cathar beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


Indeed there was much Truth in their beliefs.

But occult practices were not one of them.


Slandering the pious dead is unwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68888525


I am certainly not slandering them. In fact, my family was a Waldensian. My distant relative was branded(with a branding iron) for being a Waldensian.

I am after the true belief of my own ancestors.
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07/14/2015 03:13 PM
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
People have become so lost, blind and stupid, they don't even consider why the church felt a need to destroy whole towns in the Piedmont region of the Alps.

The church was fanatical about killing whole villages of "heretics". They killed almost a MILLION people for one purpose. To stop the spread of this awakening.

That tells you one thing. There was a lot of Truth in the Waldenses/Cathar beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


Indeed there was much Truth in their beliefs.

But occult practices were not one of them.


Slandering the pious dead is unwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68888525


I am certainly not slandering them. In fact, my family was a Waldensian. My distant relative was branded(with a branding iron) for being a Waldensian.

I am after the true belief of my own ancestors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691



Than keep the 7th day Sabbath (friday sundown - saturday sundown), reject all pagan holydays (easter, christmas ect) and expose the man of sin (popes)


You will not only be walking in their exact manner, but you will honor their memory and sacrifice.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
Book of Thoth is a fine essay on the Tarot
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Have read it and owned it for years.

Go deeper...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59567691


Then go deeper.

You get to the point where books and writings cant help. I assumed you wanted a good writing on the Tarot and I personally believe that the Book of Thoth is the best regarding the Tarot.

What that book teaches (as you know) is that you can use the cards as a key to every area in the universe.

The information you clearly need is not going to be here either from us or anyone else. If it is your heritage then you can converse with those that came before you.

Put your intentions and wantings into the cards. Spread them in a way you feel happy with, and sit in the dark with cards before you and a mirror and a candle.

Stare at yourself until your reflection becomes the person that can give you the information, and them place the answers in your mind.
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07/14/2015 03:22 PM
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Then go deeper.

You get to the point where books and writings cant help. I assumed you wanted a good writing on the Tarot and I personally believe that the Book of Thoth is the best regarding the Tarot.

What that book teaches (as you know) is that you can use the cards as a key to every area in the universe.

The information you clearly need is not going to be here either from us or anyone else. If it is your heritage then you can converse with those that came before you.

Put your intentions and wantings into the cards. Spread them in a way you feel happy with, and sit in the dark with cards before you and a mirror and a candle.

Stare at yourself until your reflection becomes the person that can give you the information, and them place the answers in your mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69202080


To be very honest, I didn't expect anyone here to actually help me.

You are exactly right, the real Truth comes from with us. As you say, from our ancestors and from the Universal Spirit.

But, it helps me to speak what I am searching for "out loud". When I do, and I then spend some time alone, the secrets are told to me.

I don't expect others to show me the Path. I am just speaking my heart and then listening to what comes to me.

The Book of Thoth is very good. I have it as one of my favorite sources, but it contains intentional misdirections also. It is not telling the complete answers.

I hope you understand that.
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07/14/2015 03:35 PM
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
If you speak French there are plenty of good connections around Carcassonne.
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07/14/2015 03:36 PM
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You will find a candlestick in the library.
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07/14/2015 03:37 PM
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
Well, thanks for listening.

Posting here really does help me.

It makes me remember not to listen to any other sad, lost souls wandering through the labyrinth with me.

Peace
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You will find a candlestick in the library.
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So many lost fools...
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To believe as you are told is nothing more than mental slavery.
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Re: Can anyone give me any clues concerning the Waldenses, the Cathars and them using the Tarot for spiritual study?
If you speak French there are plenty of good connections around Carcassonne.
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I wish that I did.

But, I doubt that even if I did, that anyone would simply give a stranger deeper secrets freely.

And to be honest, I doubt that I would believe them if they did.





GLP