Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69698716 Canada 07/07/2015 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ Retired people are idle people. An idle society is an unhealthy society. What part of that don't you get? What does free will have to do with anything here? God says you can retire if you want; it's just not the best choice either for you or your society. But you can still retire if you want. THAT'S FREE WILL. You really need to grow up before you start posting threads. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44905954 United States 07/07/2015 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ Retired people are idle people. An idle society is an unhealthy society. What part of that don't you get? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69698716 What does free will have to do with anything here? God says you can retire if you want; it's just not the best choice either for you or your society. But you can still retire if you want. THAT'S FREE WILL. You really need to grow up before you start posting threads. She's not the only really dumb member, I try to help these twits when I can, sometimes you can't fix stupid |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1280210 Czechia 07/07/2015 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ And there may be a reason the group has quietly abandoned that initial interpretation of its name, as the Tea Party has changed much in its young lifetime. Since its inception, the movement named in honor of a tax revolt has strongly embraced the religious right, to the point that socially conservative principles have arguably become its primary focus above even the fiscally conservative ideology that spawned it. Always a group that hosted the furthest-right Republicans who felt disenfranchised by the party's perceived centrist ways, however, the spiritual platform of the Tea Party has veered into extreme territory, worrying those in the GOP whose views are less severe. Tea Party politicians – for the movement has grown powerful, counting among its ranks candidates who enjoy considerable support, especially in state elections – have made statements that many others find nothing short of embarrassing. Congressman Paul Broun, for instance, criticizing the ideas of evolution and the Big Bang (due to their perceived incompatibility with the teachings of the Holy Bible), called the scientific theories “lies straight from the pit of Hell.” Former representative Todd Akin, meanwhile, assured viewers on Fox News that a doctor friend told him a woman cannot become pregnant as a result of rape – a common fringe view among conservatives with, it must be admitted, little scientific basis, widely panned and seen as an attempt by pro-life individuals to avoid the awkward question of allowing abortion in cases where a woman was sexually assaulted. [link to tea-party.info] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69652021 United States 07/07/2015 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ More glorification in slavery/servitude. Quoting: Em18966 Where's that free will we've heard so much about? Oh yeah, it's a lie - kind of like the US lie that we're free... "another conservative has pushed the idea that retirement went against biblical teachings. David Barton, a Tea Party activist and Oral Roberts University-educated history author who promotes the idea that the United States was founded by evangelical Christians, told a religious right broadcaster that God opposed retirement, reported Right Wing Watch. “Retirement is not a biblical concept,” Barton said during an appearance Monday on Kenneth Copeland’s “Believer’s Voice of Victory” television program. “That is a pagan concept that comes from the Babylonian system,” Barton continued. “If you want to live in Egypt, you want to live in Babylon, great — retire. (For) God’s people that is not a model.” Barton – lauded by Glenn Beck and GOP lawmakers such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and former Rep. Michele Bachman (R-MN) – echoed similar claims about the Bible and retirement made by right-wing Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Pastor Rick Warren, and Greg Gianforte — a Koch-backed likely candidate for Montana governor." [link to www.rawstory.com] What is his opinion on "The White Horse Prophecy"? |
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Em18966
(OP) User ID: 69515529 United States 07/07/2015 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69652021 United States 07/07/2015 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it EM's entire reality is based on the Shit never hitting the fan, no matter how illogical it is to continually throwing shit at the fan and never expecting it to hit. |
Em18966
(OP) User ID: 69515529 United States 07/07/2015 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ So should we elect a candidate that eliminates retirement/social security and leaves the useless, unproductive elderly to die in the streets because they're not doing gawd's bidding? Should we pull a Brave New World and just start killing people at 50 when they start to go downhill and become useless? Because gawd is all about keeping the production/labor rates up?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44905954 United States 07/07/2015 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44905954 United States 07/07/2015 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ So should we elect a candidate that eliminates retirement/social security and leaves the useless, unproductive elderly to die in the streets because they're not doing gawd's bidding? Quoting: Em18966 Should we pull a Brave New World and just start killing people at 50 when they start to go downhill and become useless? Because gawd is all about keeping the production/labor rates up?? Yes! Cut everything, back to true capitalism and start off with 1% taxes Eradicate government involvement with society, those who will not grow up will starve |
Em18966
(OP) User ID: 69515529 United States 07/07/2015 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up I'm prepped, I'm armed, I survived off the grid for a good portion of my life, I'm part of an awesome rural community that is the same. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69652021 United States 07/07/2015 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... ROTF. You are continually sowing hate and division. So it hardly matters why you do what you do. I suspect you'll be more than happy to trust Christians not to kill you for a few can of beans, when the SHTF. Which of course refutes you lies. People aren't worried church going types are going to invade homes and rape, torture and murder, rather its people who have never seen the inside of a church, or know any morals but getting high, and kill or be killed. Isn't that right? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44905954 United States 07/07/2015 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up I'm prepped, I'm armed, I survived off the grid for a good portion of my life, I'm part of an awesome rural community that is the same. Impossible, if any of that were true you would not think the way you do If you all really do think that way you're going turn on each other |
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User ID: 45127209 United States 07/07/2015 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ More glorification in slavery/servitude. Quoting: Em18966 Where's that free will we've heard so much about? Oh yeah, it's a lie - kind of like the US lie that we're free... "another conservative has pushed the idea that retirement went against biblical teachings. David Barton, a Tea Party activist and Oral Roberts University-educated history author who promotes the idea that the United States was founded by evangelical Christians, told a religious right broadcaster that God opposed retirement, reported Right Wing Watch. “Retirement is not a biblical concept,” Barton said during an appearance Monday on Kenneth Copeland’s “Believer’s Voice of Victory” television program. “That is a pagan concept that comes from the Babylonian system,” Barton continued. “If you want to live in Egypt, you want to live in Babylon, great — retire. (For) God’s people that is not a model.” Barton – lauded by Glenn Beck and GOP lawmakers such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and former Rep. Michele Bachman (R-MN) – echoed similar claims about the Bible and retirement made by right-wing Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Pastor Rick Warren, and Greg Gianforte — a Koch-backed likely candidate for Montana governor." [link to www.rawstory.com] Work is not slavery. I met a man a couple of days ago who had a desk job and at 48 had developed nearly crippling arthritis in his hands. He retired and started a bakery, something he knew very little about. He's been moderately successful, enjoys life as his own boss, but does admit its very hard work. His arthritis is gone and his health has never been better and his family work with him, which he loves. Work can be a blessing. In older times, people worked til they died, even if was mending clothes in a rocking chair or whatever. They remained with their families, several generations together. The young and the old together, learning from each other. I think the world was a better place then. I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me, and the cost is more than I can bear. - The Patriot |
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User ID: 68587779 United States 07/07/2015 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus said our meaning was movement and repose. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69652021 United States 07/07/2015 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up I'm prepped, I'm armed, I survived off the grid for a good portion of my life, I'm part of an awesome rural community that is the same. Really? Your avatar sure looks pale and heavily made up for a country girl. Besides an awesome rural community is Utah means a lot of Christians, a lot of Mormons and a lot of right of center constitutionalists. Unless you are in some hippie enclave. Which never get anything done because they are loaded 24/7 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 53654435 United States 07/07/2015 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ So should we elect a candidate that eliminates retirement/social security and leaves the useless, unproductive elderly to die in the streets because they're not doing gawd's bidding? Quoting: Em18966 Should we pull a Brave New World and just start killing people at 50 when they start to go downhill and become useless? Because gawd is all about keeping the production/labor rates up?? You always seem to have a couple of rounds in your pocket ready to go, derailing the OP of your own thread. Your brush starts out fine and always broadens before the end of page one. Every thread of yours is like an inverted funnel. You clearly have your talking points planned out in advance with all of your charged colloquialisms and loaded verbiage. You seek to belittle, never listening, only waiting to pounce. Now, I know we don't particularly care for one another, but serious question, as you're clearly intelligent and well-spoken: Politics aside, what initially attracted you to GLP? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69652021 United States 07/07/2015 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ ... Quoting: Em18966 LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up I'm prepped, I'm armed, I survived off the grid for a good portion of my life, I'm part of an awesome rural community that is the same. Impossible, if any of that were true you would not think the way you do If you all really do think that way you're going turn on each other Think about it. I've never met a liberal who thinks the shit will hit the fan. The only exception are the revolutionaries and bolshevik types, who want a blood bath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69684660 United States 07/07/2015 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ More glorification in slavery/servitude. Quoting: Em18966 Where's that free will we've heard so much about? Oh yeah, it's a lie - kind of like the US lie that we're free... "another conservative has pushed the idea that retirement went against biblical teachings. David Barton, a Tea Party activist and Oral Roberts University-educated history author who promotes the idea that the United States was founded by evangelical Christians, told a religious right broadcaster that God opposed retirement, reported Right Wing Watch. “Retirement is not a biblical concept,” Barton said during an appearance Monday on Kenneth Copeland’s “Believer’s Voice of Victory” television program. “That is a pagan concept that comes from the Babylonian system,” Barton continued. “If you want to live in Egypt, you want to live in Babylon, great — retire. (For) God’s people that is not a model.” Barton – lauded by Glenn Beck and GOP lawmakers such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and former Rep. Michele Bachman (R-MN) – echoed similar claims about the Bible and retirement made by right-wing Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Pastor Rick Warren, and Greg Gianforte — a Koch-backed likely candidate for Montana governor." [link to www.rawstory.com] He's right. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44905954 United States 07/07/2015 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 You'll be a victim, unless you figure life out, I hope you wake up I'm prepped, I'm armed, I survived off the grid for a good portion of my life, I'm part of an awesome rural community that is the same. Impossible, if any of that were true you would not think the way you do If you all really do think that way you're going turn on each other Think about it. I've never met a liberal who thinks the shit will hit the fan. The only exception are the revolutionaries and bolshevik types, who want a blood bath. Very true, it's unreal how many refuse to see the facts staring them right in the face Its amazing how many just don't want to talk about it |
Em18966
(OP) User ID: 69515529 United States 07/07/2015 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ EM reminds me of my family, just never got reality, when the colapse happens, most of these people will die from shock Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44905954 They just will not be able to comprehend it LOL I'll be fine I just won't be waiting for jebus to come save me I also am not actively trying to collapse society because I think it's part of gawd's plan... ROTF. You are continually sowing hate and division. So it hardly matters why you do what you do. I suspect you'll be more than happy to trust Christians not to kill you for a few can of beans, when the SHTF. Which of course refutes you lies. People aren't worried church going types are going to invade homes and rape, torture and murder, rather its people who have never seen the inside of a church, or know any morals but getting high, and kill or be killed. Isn't that right? I'm just as likely to be killed by a thumper as an atheist or agnostic. Indeed, an atheist or agnostic would be LESS likely to be killing me because they have a realistic comprehension of death - they could never convince themselves that they were sending me and mine somewhere better. |
Em18966
(OP) User ID: 69515529 United States 07/07/2015 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ So should we elect a candidate that eliminates retirement/social security and leaves the useless, unproductive elderly to die in the streets because they're not doing gawd's bidding? Quoting: Em18966 Should we pull a Brave New World and just start killing people at 50 when they start to go downhill and become useless? Because gawd is all about keeping the production/labor rates up?? You always seem to have a couple of rounds in your pocket ready to go, derailing the OP of your own thread. Your brush starts out fine and always broadens before the end of page one. Every thread of yours is like an inverted funnel. You clearly have your talking points planned out in advance with all of your charged colloquialisms and loaded verbiage. You seek to belittle, never listening, only waiting to pounce. Now, I know we don't particularly care for one another, but serious question, as you're clearly intelligent and well-spoken: Politics aside, what initially attracted you to GLP? Conspiracies. It wasn't until after I started posting here and saw the level of religious ignorance and hate that I really got militant about my dislike of organized religion. I never had much use for it, but it was the level of intolerance and hate on this site that turned my mindset into something akin to the intolerant thumpers that abound here. I also can't believe that so many people on a conspiracy site refuse to consider the biggest conspiracy at all - organized religion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53654435 United States 07/07/2015 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ Thanks for the reply, em. I only asked because I rarely, if ever, see you on other threads (outside of religion & LGBT issues) and, if I recall correctly, you're not exactly new around here. As much as it might surprise you, I would agree about "organized religion", but that doesn't mean that there isn't a source or creator IMO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67252060 United States 07/07/2015 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: ‘God did not design us for retirement’ It's WORK not jobs. Humans are meant to work--grow/hunt food, raise livestock, build our own homes, sew, etc. You don't retire from that. The slavery came with JOBS. Enriching others with our labor--and undercharging for that labor we're selling-- instead of working for ourselves. |