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HACKER MADE UNITED FLIGHT FLY SIDEWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Dace

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^^I posted this thread last month, and this same Roberts guy came up...:

look at this one

[link to money.cnn.com]

the take away is not so much that he talks about how planes can be hacked

it is about the response to his joke tweet

he was on the plane when he tweeted and the FBI was able to respond fast enough to pull him off the plane

think about that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66234913


wow...

snip:

"Anyone can plug a laptop into the box underneath his or her seat and reach key controls in the plane, such as engines and cabin lighting. That's the claim made by Roberts and the cybersecurity firm he co-founded, One World Labs.

"I was probably a little more blunt than I should have been," Roberts told CNNMoney. "I'm just so frustrated that nothing is getting fixed."

United (UAL) deferred all questions to the FBI. The agency has not yet provided comment on the matter.

He hacks planes?

Roberts' job is to find weaknesses in computer systems -- especially airplanes. For years, he explored whether a malicious hacker could take over a pilot's controls -- and how they'd do it.

He found that a hacker could theoretically do it from a passenger seat. Every chair has a tiny computer and screen, and those are plugged into the airplane's CAN bus. Every vehicle has one. Think of it like a spine. It's how the brain communicates with the limbs. It's how your car accelerator talks to your engine's fuel injector.

But -- if it's not built just right -- it also means your plane passenger seat is ultimately connected to the pilot's cockpit. "

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.....well, that seals the deal, I'm never flying again.damned
 Quoting: Dace


^^ HARDCORE shill who supposedly was an 'expert' on all airplane systems showed up in that thread , until I debunked all his statements and finally had to ban him.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
^^and my follow-up thread with the video from Teso.
damned
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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
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Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
Desert Fox  (OP)

05/16/2015 09:57 PM
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wi fi on planes bad idea
 Quoting: Astral Goat


that's not how it happened.

IF IT HAPPENED and the guy wasn't bragging/lying to the FBI,
he did it by connecting an ethernet cable with a modified
connector into a box entertainment system box under a seat.
sdot and wirred both have links to the search warrant that
explain a lot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69236330


Nope it can happen on wi fi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64495280


wifi actually IS completely separate from flight control and inflight entertainment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


So are baby monitors.
:TOMABANEFOX:
It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours.
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05/16/2015 09:58 PM
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He made a point on what could happen.

Should receive immunity for making said point.

This dude in no way wanted to bring it down.

There are others who would though, and he exposed them.
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The best hacker I've ever heard of, Adrian Lamo, was also too trusting of law enforcement and talked too much during questioning.
It seems to be a common trait among hackers with basically good intentions.
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05/16/2015 10:00 PM
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Critical infrastructure, whether in a plane or on land should never be connected to public internet.
There is no convenience that outweighs the stupidity of breaking this rule.
At least point to point VPN that shit.
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05/16/2015 10:05 PM
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So one person can make a difference make change happen but it seems to always be bad. I suppose its don't let a crisis go to waste... they allow things to only be changed for the worser so they can use the excuse of security to take more freedoms and treat everyone like a kid with no trust in them....it only takes one to fuck it for everyone else and the way the world is going, its third world and no further.rant
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05/16/2015 10:10 PM
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If he did it that means tptb have been doing it awhile. Perfected it and can down any plane, crash any train, probably take control of any modern car and crash it... Then just spin the web that the pilot, engineer, or driver was a whack job... Less messy that way...
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05/16/2015 10:11 PM
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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
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Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
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05/16/2015 10:12 PM
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Instead of prosecuting this kind of hacker, the govt
should employ them and pay attention to what they
say and demonstrate!
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05/16/2015 10:13 PM
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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
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05/16/2015 10:14 PM
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That are giving miles away for hackers to find flaws...this thread is just an add for this new program.
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Instead of prosecuting this kind of hacker, the govt
should employ them and pay attention to what they
say and demonstrate!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


I agree whole heartily.
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It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours.
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that's not how it happened.

IF IT HAPPENED and the guy wasn't bragging/lying to the FBI,
he did it by connecting an ethernet cable with a modified
connector into a box entertainment system box under a seat.
sdot and wirred both have links to the search warrant that
explain a lot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69236330


Nope it can happen on wi fi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64495280


wifi actually IS completely separate from flight control and inflight entertainment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


So are baby monitors.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


cameras that people outside the LAN can easily view are generally all connected to windows computers that are connected directly to a modem, none of which has a worthy
firewall.
If there is a router, keep in mind that 70 percent of all the routers that have ever been sold are KNOWN to be vulnerable to simple hacking.
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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


I'd like to think the hacker did not actually change or replace any code on the airplane.
If he did, he's done.
He can't explain that.
Mapping the network is one thing, but . . . .
Dace

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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


I pinned the video of Hugo Teso's presentation.
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05/16/2015 10:20 PM
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The idea that both Boeing AND Airbus made the same
mistake of not completely separating flight control network
and entertainment network kind of beggars belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246776


Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


I still don't believe that Robert cause he would have to be able to get so many inside information it is close to impossible. But Hugo Teso is legit .

The thing is the exploit is really hard to get by if you don't work for the plane compagny.
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Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


I'd like to think the hacker did not actually change or replace any code on the airplane.
If he did, he's done.
He can't explain that.
Mapping the network is one thing, but . . . .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


read my thread on the 'smartphone hacking'...access is possible through a dongle emulator crack.
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Where did you find that info and if it is true it is easy to fix .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


Read the application for a search warrant.
FBI guy states that the hacker told him specific planes that he knew were vulnerable and listed the planes
737 757 and airbus a-320.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya im reading that right now im baffled by the work of Hugo Teso .

How can Boeing and Airbus be that stupid just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27861407


I pinned the video of Hugo Teso's presentation.
 Quoting: Dace


Ya ty for that im on it great post.
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Instead of prosecuting this kind of hacker, the govt
should employ them and pay attention to what they
say and demonstrate!
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I agree whole heartily.
 Quoting: Desert Fox
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Adrian Lamo, "the homeless hacker" did every one of his
hacks by doing nothing but typing in the URL field/box
of a web browser.
When he found a database that he knew shouldn't be available to the world he would call the front desk of the big assed
corporation and tell them about it and offer to tell them
how to fix it.
They, the fbi and the corps, tried to get him on record
asking for money in exchange but he never asked for anything,
except one time he suggested he could sure use some warm clothes and a notebook better than his which was like 6 years old.
He's a very interesting fellow.
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05/16/2015 10:25 PM
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I've been saying this was possible ever since MH370 and then the DOD went on 60 Minutes a few months ago showing how easy it was to hack a car with a cell phone.
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Adrian Lamo, "the homeless hacker" did every one of his
hacks by doing nothing but typing in the URL field/box
of a web browser.
When he found a database that he knew shouldn't be available to the world he would call the front desk of the big assed
corporation and tell them about it and offer to tell them
how to fix it.
They, the fbi and the corps, tried to get him on record
asking for money in exchange but he never asked for anything,
except one time he suggested he could sure use some warm clothes and a notebook better than his which was like 6 years old.
He's a very interesting fellow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69246900


Ya bad security in database are pretty comon some would says.

Ppl are leazy in this buisness.

Or simply doesn care to know how.

I've seen some shit you would not believe ahahah.
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Prably a guy jacking off in his mothers basementbasement too
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I've been saying this was possible ever since MH370 and then the DOD went on 60 Minutes a few months ago showing how easy it was to hack a car with a cell phone.
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It is alot of thing but certainly not 'easy'. heh
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wouldn't you just crap yourself if you saw
a 7 year old Dlink router or any of the numerous old
Cisco routers that are known to be hackable
being used in a passenger plane?
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05/16/2015 10:32 PM
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Here's a cool slideshow for Teso's presentation
for those who don't want to watch a long video.
[link to conference.hitb.org (secure)]
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Some how I knew this could happen. Computers are great, but fuckable.

[link to www.wired.com]
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And if the plane went down, he would have been guilty of murder. I can't wait for him to consider driving one of the new cars that have computer chips in them and someone hack his car while he is driving and see how he likes it.
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damned

Scary
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Some how I knew this could happen. Computers are great, but fuckable.

[link to www.wired.com]
 Quoting: Desert Fox



And if the plane went down, he would have been guilty of murder. I can't wait for him to consider driving one of the new cars that have computer chips in them and someone hack his car while he is driving and see how he likes it.
 Quoting: Elfsong


With what we know, he would have had to be ON the plane that went down.





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