Why did AMTRAK 188 train derail BEFORE REACHING THAT CURVE?

seriously what the fuck.. I heard about a train crash near philly that killed 8 but I never heard about the train crash in spain that killed 80?????? someone please fill me in here

This thread was prompted by the following post; it deserves its own thread:

Thread: The Amtrak Crash: Why The FBI Lied And Why It Is No Freak Accident Lending The Possibility Of A Terror Attack (Page 42)

First, AC 59795891 posted both the security video of the train passing moments before derailment, and the daytime picture earlier this evening...which prompted me to scrutinize them both...as written in my reply.

I hardly ever start threads, but I'm afraid this will get buried, without people having had a chance to see things which may be contrary to the official report...and what MSM is not discussing.





The night video clearly shows the train passing, and shortly afterwards a series of bright flashes followed by either smoke or dust clouds trailing back to the cam view.

The excellent aerial day shot shows the entire aftermath shot, beyond what we've seen before.

Can everyone please scrutinize what these are actually showing, especially the daytime shot of the aftermath?

I mean really follow the alleged turn the train supposedly make?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss whether this train ever attempted the turn, using the picture as reference...

The aftermath picture clearly shows various people working in the track area further behind that last car.

I'd like people's opinion of what the picture is showing, and what seems to have happen, including other points I raised in my reply.

Speed? Or could it have been something else?

I'm still not satisfied with what is now being reported, and no one seems to have address those flashes in the night video.

Thank you.

I agree op. The dark gash is very clear and easy to follow.

I suppose an argument could be made that it was the very start of the curve and at that speed, may have been enough to send it off the rails?



But the ABC News article about the derailers being stolen is interesting, especially if it's from May 8th of this year.


What I'm not understanding are the explosions seen on the security cam video. What caused those?

OP (i answered earlier) there are lot of confusing photos out
there, and a lot of people have posted train wreck photos
that aren't even from this Philly Scene.

here's a photo that shows that the train derails right
in the middle of the curve, just like the Physics says it should:

the Amtrak Engine is way over to the very right-center side of the photo.

and the train was moving from left to right.

in this photo it shows that the curve is really not
as acute as it shows in lots of photos...

but, from left to right, right where the passenger cars form
a 90% angle (at the first one third of the photo) is where the Engine flew off on a tangent, and the other 4 cars pretty much followed.

that is right in the middle of the Curve.

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walla.

Note: but i still think there was a Bomb.

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Probably the same thing that caused the other commuter train down the tracks from this one ( just moments before this one crashed) that busted out the engineers window.

The one car that is totally trashed makes no sense, why would this car be smashed to smitherenes and the others are just turned on their sides???
Since when does AMTAK do 100 MPH?

I rode one three yrs ago from south florida to western maryland and i bet we never went over 35-40 MPH.
Now, the freighters that we had to constantly keep pulling over for, they go probably 60 MPH.
We are supposed to gullibly beLIEve the phony story they push.....yea ok....gimme a break, puhleeze!!!
I'm sure a lot of folks beLIEve the officials but there are many of us ON TO THEM and don't fall for their BS.

That photo proves that the train derailed either before or as it entered the curve, not while it was in the curve.

A question that needs answered is this: is is normal for a train to derail traveling 100mph in a 50mph curve, or is there some other speed (150mph, 200mph, 250mph, etc.) where derailment becomes a given? This is a question that the media is not asking.

i dunno. looks to me like the Engine left the rails where i said it did,
and that would be in the middle of the curve.

(the curve begins way to the left of the photo.)

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Here's a better photo:

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and now the NTSB is saying he accelerated from 70 to 100 miles per hour in one minute.

well i'm not saying that going "from 70 to 100 in one minute" is absurd.

i'm saying that it's absurd that he would do such a thing.


all of the passengers would have felt that kind of acceleration,
and all the passengers would have been screaming about it
once they dug themselves out of the wreckage.


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