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KoFFee_
(OP) User ID: 64801191 United States 04/08/2015 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More relevant info: Our Founding Documents Findings of the Courts A ten year investigation of over 500 founding documents was conducted by the United States Supreme Court and concluded in a famous ruling in Holy Trinity Church v. United States, dated February 29,1892. In preparing its opinion, the court found it necessary to survey key historical documents back to the time of Christopher Columbus to get a sense of the Worldview which guided the formation of the American colonies. After a lengthy description of the many documents, the court summed up their findings regarding America’s religious and political foundation in the following quote from two consecutive paragraphs near the end of the verdict: Find out here: [link to lennysax.startlogic.com] However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24 "This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7 |
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KoFFee_
(OP) User ID: 64801191 United States 04/08/2015 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the pin. Another little snip: The verdict mentioned the then forty-four state constitutions that referenced the Christian Worldview and mirrored conclusions reached previously by the Maryland Supreme Court in 1799 and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 1824: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon equal footing, and they are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.” “No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of thecountry.” [link to lennysax.startlogic.com] However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24 "This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7 |
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Judethz
User ID: 47012985 United Kingdom 04/08/2015 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sure ain't the America that I grew up in. [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49326476 United States 04/08/2015 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Founders drew on the Bible and believed that Christianity was necessary for civil morality in a republican system. It doesn't follow, however, that they believed Christianity should be imposed through law. The First Amendment is very clear - indeed, is even clearer in its first draft. Government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion. Yes, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No one is arguing that it means that. But it does mean that government will not impose religion through law, including through laws governing public school. Why is this important? For one reason, a reason that all Christians can accept, it prevents one sect of Christianity from gaining dominance over any others. It's easy for Christians to say that America should make laws based on the Bible against atheists or Muslims. But let's say we do: which Christianity do we use? Baptist? Unitarian? Catholic? "Nondenominational"? Calvinist? Lutheran? Should schools teach that Christ was a human, a god, or both man and God? Should schools teach pre-trib or post-trib? Etc. Now part of the confusion here arises from the fact that the Bible used to be taught in schools. But the schools in which it was taught were state-run schools. States weren't originally bound to the Constitution, and so if their state constitution permitting teaching the Bible, they could do so. But with the steady imposition of the federal constitution on the states, the first amendment has come to apply within the states. Furthermore, the federalization of schools and required the imposition of the first amendment on state schools. So while state schools could teach the bible previously, they find it increasingly hard to do so now. The answer is obvious: free up the education system, and then the freedom of atheists like myself is respected (my children won't be forced to learned Christianity at the point of government's gun), and Christians will be free to teach their children whatever brand of Christianity they prefer. |
Just Trina
User ID: 68786261 United States 04/08/2015 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 You ARE the prime example as to why God says do not cast your pearls (of wisdom) before swine because they will trample them under their feet. |
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KoFFee_
(OP) User ID: 64801191 United States 04/08/2015 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AN ADDRESS DELIVERED AT THE ANNUAL MEETING OF THE MASSACHUSETTS BIBLE SOCIETY IN BOSTON, MAY 28, 1849. Editor’s Introduction President Andrew Jackson said on June 8, 1845, that “the Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests.” Early Americans would almost universally agree that the religious, social, educational, and political life of America was primarily shaped by the Bible. Our states were colonized by people who desired to freely worship the God of the Bible; our schools were begun so that everyone would be able to read and understand the Bible for themselves; our universities were founded to train ministers who were knowledgeable of the Scriptures; our laws and constitutions were written based on Biblical ideas; and our founding fathers overwhelmingly had a Biblical worldview. Most Americans today have not been taught this important truth, even though many still recognize it. It used to be common knowledge that America’s Biblical foundation produced America’s freedom, justice, and prosperity. In recent generations America has been shifting from a Biblical foundation to a humanistic foundation, where the God of the Bible is being replaced by man as god. The result has been the decay of society and loss of liberty. Noah Webster wrote: The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. Read more: [link to providencefoundation.com] However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24 "This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5845318 United States 04/08/2015 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Light can shine darkness can not overcome the light That Light will shine for all to see in That day- and yes it is hard to watch as I see this land falling in the dark ways of sin what is wrong is called right what is right is called wrong - sad |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47829612 United States 04/08/2015 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the pin. Quoting: KoFFee_ Another little snip: The verdict mentioned the then forty-four state constitutions that referenced the Christian Worldview and mirrored conclusions reached previously by the Maryland Supreme Court in 1799 and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 1824: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon equal footing, and they are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.” “No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of thecountry.” [link to lennysax.startlogic.com] Great article KoFFee, I took a few legal courses years ago in College, and there were definitely correlations and references shown in comparison between the laws contained in the bible and the laws of this land. |
Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 64860705 United States 04/08/2015 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The founders never told anyone that the bible was not the basis for the founding documents. They mentioned God often in all their writings. They worked hard to assure the religious freedom for all American. The freedom of religion they wanted was to keep the government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government. They knew that a government without religion would be corrupt. Amazing how they could see the future. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67275892 Canada 04/08/2015 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More relevant info: Quoting: KoFFee_ Our Founding Documents Findings of the Courts A ten year investigation of over 500 founding documents was conducted by the United States Supreme Court and concluded in a famous ruling in Holy Trinity Church v. United States, dated February 29,1892. In preparing its opinion, the court found it necessary to survey key historical documents back to the time of Christopher Columbus to get a sense of the Worldview which guided the formation of the American colonies. After a lengthy description of the many documents, the court summed up their findings regarding America’s religious and political foundation in the following quote from two consecutive paragraphs near the end of the verdict: Find out here: [link to lennysax.startlogic.com] AND HERE ARE THE TWO CONSECUTIVE PARAGRAPHS: “... the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity .... ‘it is also said, and truly, that the Christian religion is a part of the common law of Pennsylvania.’" “If pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. ...”2 (emphasis added) And then, another good read: "The Protocols" And then, another good read: "The Ten Planks of the Communist Party" And then, a look at how popular opinion is molded by the media corporations, who are all headed by Atheist Satanist Psychopaths - the A.S.P. P.S. I have never met a Jew who really believed in God. They believe in themselves. They have no other 'religion'. And I grew up in Bevery Hills, where Jews are 99% of the population. I beg to differ with "evangelical Christians" who have been brainwashed into believing hogwash about a nation which is not God's nation at all, let alone the 'apple of His eye'. The absolute immorality, on every level, that goes on in that country - if you research the facts on the ground - will truly make you want to throw up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52651020 Germany 04/08/2015 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Post! Thank-you! Another article posted there is also worth the time: Fathers - Families Would Rather “See” A Sermon [link to www.oneplace.com] |
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ScrumpTheTexan
Forum Administrator User ID: 3515193 United States 04/08/2015 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post! I am a Christian. Christian does not equal doormat or pushover "I Have Sworn upon the Altar of God... Eternal Hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson, Sep. 23, 1800 The Election of Donald John Trump: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] For previous Newsletters, click 'Scrump's News Letters' @ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
scimitar
User ID: 15737193 United States 04/08/2015 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 Yours are the words of incomplete thinking. Weak minds are self debilitating. Casting of the human controlled religious paradigm is one thing, but throwing of the spirituality of GOD is quite another. Ominous regressions One Truth... many realities |
KoFFee_
(OP) User ID: 64801191 United States 04/08/2015 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America’s Accelerating Decay The Decline of the Family: The Decline of Education: The End of Male and Female: The End of Right and Wrong: The End of Religion: The End of Beauty: Read what is said about each one here: [link to www.nationalreview.com] However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24 "This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7 |
Jeffersons Blackberry
User ID: 51105454 United States 04/08/2015 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 You ARE the prime example as to why God says do not cast your pearls (of wisdom) before swine because they will trample them under their feet. “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”; Thomas Jefferson |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16383845 Australia 04/08/2015 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | darkness only comes when the Light removed Quoting: Ice The Light can shine darkness can not overcome the light That Light will shine for all to see in That day- and yes it is hard to watch as I see this land falling in the dark ways of sin what is wrong is called right what is right is called wrong - sad Sad but true and all fits prophecy. This is the plan, it is unavoidable, mankind must sink to unspeakable horrors before the Creation is taken to perfection by removing the dross. When the shit hits the fan, be ready to assist your brother, for if you ignore him, He will ignore you. What you do for these the least of my brethren, you do unto Me. JC |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35707726 Philippines 04/08/2015 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 Right mate that's why things are so good now. Thank god you atheist tards have won.. Enjoy what you sowed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68860786 Panama 04/08/2015 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind? |
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harry User ID: 42263367 United States 04/08/2015 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind? Yes. I do. (At least in regards to religion). Are the American people the dumbest on earth? Yes. Easily groomed, conditioned and brainwashed to accept the next foreign engagement/incursion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39216995 United States 04/08/2015 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind). Quoting: harry 17531086 "of" vs "from" there is repeated reference and reverence for the Basis of our freedoms which are God given. don't betray what is in your own self interest. think about what your "secular" attitude serves .... it is not individual Sovereignty. |