The Guide to Unlocking Your Subconscious Mind and Understanding Reality (The Book of Secrets)

Does anyone know the backstory of the "alternate universe" threads? The poster seems to be from another Earth(in what context?)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Thank you for your input.

I was thinking the same thing. It's great to think about the universe, reality, and such but so many of us just want to have a little bit (or a lot) more happiness, love, or money in our lives and need a new perspective. Sometimes not having those things stresses our brain so much we can't see the big picture.

The more comfortable we feel (having taking care of life's necessities) the more we can think about reality.

You're very welcome.

We'll get there :)

It's "for your entertainment", as Chaol would say, but "Alternate Universe" is in quotes, to imply that Chaol is not actually from another universe but a different world.

The world of Chaol is the world of the subconscious.

The story of Chaol and myself, and how all this came about, will be released if any of the material becomes popular and people want to know about it.

Last Edited by The Builder on 04/05/2015 10:27 PM

Please pin this!

Maybe I judge too quickly but, really?

I judge the veracity of any "revelational" work
by turning to a random page and seeing if
the words are logical and impart any new understanding
of reality.

I have actually found some works that pass this
simple test.

Not this one. I tried several times.

NOPE

And what was the page that you turned to?

Allow me the opportunity to discuss the logic with you.

Last Edited by The Builder on 04/07/2015 01:40 PM

Mainly the ones on time and gravity, since they are the least understood and also my favorite topics. But, alas I tried to cut and paste some of the passages and -no go.

I guess you need to protect your intellectual property - good luck.

OP how can one use this information to get answers to questions and perhaps see into their own future?

Alright, so how are the explanations of time and gravity illogical?

Isn't it strange that the most prevalent forces in the universe are the least understood?

Perhaps it is because the fundamental assumptions are not only mistaken but defended like Fort Knox (as if there was any gold there or any real weight to those same assumptions if scrutinized closely in light of time and gravity, etc.)

what are some works that have passed this test?

Let's see if we can work that out. Can you give me an example of the kind of question you're looking for the answer to, specifically?

For the "future" part of your question, there are some fundamental assumptions about it that we may need to work through first before I can respond. The book holds that the future is your interpretation of things that are relative to you. Also, that the geometry of relationships (that you interpret past, present, and future from) exist right now. The present is, in a way, an interpretation of these relationships, as would the future be. Those interpretations that are most relative to our geometry we see as being the present, those that are not a bit less relative being the immediate past or future, those that are even less relative being the near past or future, etc. In that way, for sake of argument, you could say that 5 seconds from now is of the same relativity as 5 seconds hence.

So what do you mean by "future" and what do you want to see?

If you could provide a single concept that befuddled you or seems illogical, I would be more than happy to explain it.

Yes, the logic is different, though that would not disqualify it from being illogical.

The example of traffic in Mumbai is given in the book. It may be "illogical" to someone that is used to driving in Munich but perfectly logical for a taxi driver in Mumbai. If you drive like you do in Munich when you get to Mumbai, a city with 5 times the density and population, it will no longer be logical. The same laws and rules no longer apply, nor should they (all things considered).

That's partially why the book is opened with what we don't know, and imply that we should not even be sure of the things we think we do know because solving those mysteries likely requires a complete rethink of our fundamental assumptions that worked so well for us before.

The logic that worked so well for us in one spacetime will not be the kind of logic we need for an other. We think "we know about driving efficiently" because we are so good at it in one location, not realizing that there are other parts of spacetime that our laws do not apply, such as thinking or dreams (to name a couple of obvious things).

The book illustrates a simple "law" that can be applied to everything, not just specific physical phenomena.

It is interesting that the most common things in our reality (time, space*, gravity, consciousness, etc., and lots of things we haven't discovered yet) are mysteries. Why should they be?

*space is not understood when dark energy and dark matter is thought to make up the majority of it, and we have no idea what it is, among other reasons.

Last Edited by The Builder on 04/07/2015 10:21 PM

It's not full of meme-bites, but it's an accurate description of the fact that each of us, despite limited knowability of anything beyond our own skins, can affect reality by using our inherent resources. The concept is limitless. It really does seem wackadoo, logical, simplistic and overly complicated at the same time. But it made sense to me exactly because of that, because I and my existence include it all, the whole spectrum, and it's been my life's quest to light up as much of human "knowability" inside myself as possible.

One day at McDonald's when I was 9 I asked my mom if she thought anyone had ever had an original thought. She replied "no." I hoped one day to prove her wrong, but so far, despite trying really hard, I am not sure I have.

This and related threads have been valuable developmental tools for me, always showing up at the right time.

OP, underbelly. :)

Let's say in general how can you tell who of your friends you can really trust, or who might have unseen agendas? How can one stay out of harms way in general and make sure their lives run smoothly with lots of health, abundance, love and friendship, and wealth?

We're only just getting started :)

To take a look at how we can get a more universally-applicable answer, let's pretend that we are planets and we have similar questions.

"Which, among the other planets, can we really trust?"
"Which planets might have unseen agendas?"

and,

"How can our planet have lots of health, abundance, love, friendship, and wealth?"

Looking at it this way for the first two questions, we might realize that "trust" is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. A planet could not possibly go outside the 'laws' that govern it, so the real question would be whether or not you trust the laws that govern yourself, as well.

"Do I trust the nature of humanity?"

We follow overall patterns that we cannot really see, but are free to have whatever local weather and geomagnetic activity suits us at the time.

You trust that a friend will not suddenly morph into a dog but when it comes to more localized patterns, we cannot predict them. The laws that govern them are simple, but become complex the more detailed they apply. An other person may not morph into a dog but may change their behaviour and personality after a particular event, for example.

Do we trust the complexity of human life? Do we trust our own complexity?

We can only trust that they will still do the things humans do. And you should probably trust a particular friend as much as you trust the weather. If the "weather" has been generally calm and pleasant for as long as anyone can remember, it's safe to say that it will follow the same patterns tomorrow. But if there's a sudden storm or earthquake, just realize it's part of the overall pattern that we tend to forget about when thinking about the details.

Any unseen agendas are only unseen or misunderstood to us, because we weren't looking for it in particular. The ancients trusted only the stars to navigate, not the planets that seemed to move to no known pattern (until Ptolemy's perspective arrived on the scene). The planets did not have unseen agendas. We just didn't understand what the agendas were, even if they appeared hidden. (Are not our own agendas hidden to others? Our deepest thoughts? We often don't even know what we are subconsciously thinking.)

We understand cycles but not the epicycles (cycles within cycles) that apply to our everyday lives. Really, it's the same thing, but made more complex because that's how we interact with it.

But "How can our planet have lots of health, abundance, love, friendship, and wealth"?

The book holds that we interpret the randomness however we may. If we interpreted everything as "good", for example, we would get nowhere. So, some things are good and some things are not. This is natural.

The question becomes, "Should most things be good?" Probably not. We likely need a balance of good and bad things. But we can learn how to interpret the bad things in a way that is not bad for us overall.

Some people see a storm as a bad thing. Perhaps it destroyed their house or boat. But we can even see them as opportunities, or just part of the overall cycle, or a cycle within a cycle. Maybe it was time for a new house, or the old house didn't fit the new narrative. In this way, we consider the big picture and "unfocus" from the details that often confuse us so easily.

As a friend, however, I would just say to trust those friends who seem to trust you. Sure, people have unseen agendas. But we all follow the same overall pattern.

Also, to be okay with things like illness, lacking, hate, loneliness, and poverty, realizing that there are different ways of looking at them. For example, is it better for baby's health to be exposed to germs and bacteria, or not? Babies that grow up in sterile environments often turn out to be unhealthy. We misunderstand how this chaos/order or good/bad relationship works, having our own ideas about the order that should exist in the universe.

Trust your own perspective that it knows what it is doing, and that its natural order (though seemingly chaotic and unruly at times) is the most effective way to maintain the overall balance and harmony.

Hope this helps some.

Let's say in general how can you tell who of your friends you can really trust, or who might have unseen agendas? How can one stay out of harms way in general and make sure their lives run smoothly with lots of health, abundance, love and friendship, and wealth?


From the book, paraphrasing page 28-29. Baby steps.

From my personal application: Identify perspective and associated biases. Consider range of perspectival shifts and sequelae. Choose one. Execute.

sorry, late at night my quoter didn't work.

sorry for multiple posts, but for me a big part of the "mogic" is how many sequelae I can foresee in any of the perspectival shifts. People think I am psychic, but I can just follow a train of cause and effect in its most likely direction, and it has become intuitive.

The other big part of the equation for me, the one I still struggle with, is relinquishing the idea of control while at the same time learning to control my representations.

Thank you.

Indeed, baby steps. But sometimes baby has some big booties, so one smart step could cover a lot of ground.

Feeling can be a good gauge. e.g., how do you feel about things, in general? Are there parts of your perspective you aren't comfortable with? Finding ways to re-interpret something you don't like could also help, as could knowing that the thing you don't like is 100% you.

It's hard to know where you're going until you realize that you make up the map as you go along.

Chaon,

Do you ever feel like a Preschool teacher patiently convincing the toddlers that it's time to sit and listen to story time?

Looking forward to the next.

BTW naysayers... start with the basic assumptions Chaon makes and suspend disbelief until you read through. You accessed the book for your own reasons... what does it benefit you to access a random page and dismiss it based on an exerpt out of context? The preconceptual framework exists... unless (of course) the reason on we poo poo things is to avoid having to acknowledge a potential validity.

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 04/08/2015 09:36 AM

.... Uncertain sorry

What's there to be certain of?

It is interesting to think that we generally don't know what we will do 'next' any more than we know what someone else will do next.

Perhaps your ability will develop more so you can share it with others. It could be something that can be learned.



I've learned to be okay with whatever happens, to trust my perspective in a way.

We can try to control it but it's not like trying to control your muscles. It just takes more energy to direct it somewhere it naturally doesn't want to go just yet. If we just let it go where it may we can then control how we interpret the result (or in an other way as you say, learn how to control the representations)

Thanks for sharing!

I actually tried that a couple of times, too. I opened it to a random page to see if I could "get it", and could not. One really does need to at least read the first part, which I think should be a good-enough foundation for the rest of the work (I hope).

Critics usually turn out to be among my best friends, so I'm looking forward to eventually being on the same side as such passion.

As the book states, we are strongly attracted to the things we really don't like.

Looks interesting, have bookmarked to read later thanks.

I would hope that you are. Uncertainty is the sign of a healthy, open mind.

Should you have any questions, however, don't hesitate to ask. I should be around here for a few weeks before I begin the next book.

I don’t consciously try to make a SPIR. I just make a point of orienting myself as best as I can within one as often as I can. I think of the images, the toroids. I notice my position at the center and do my best to assess the forces that hold that position, weighing relative uncertainties of outcomes of my next perspectival shift based on observed patterns of cause and effect. I have spent years accumulating data, tools and skills and the toroid perspective works for me to access them. Sometimes it’s like dominoes falling. Sometimes it’s just a feeling in my gut-brain. Sometime my mind explodes. I try to go with the flow, somehow, nudging it rather than fighting it like I used to.

I am wrong all of the time, but right all of the time too and it doesn’t matter. I am neither special nor ordinary - they are the same thing, like my 10-year old’s fascination with horror and Nazis is the same thing as his snuggliness and frequent “I love you, Mom.”

Nothing is impossible. The perspective work has helped me accomplish or sacrifice things that had been holding me back. I’m trying not to focus too much on others’ cause-and-effect chains but sometimes can’t help it. I only want to a. affect my loved ones and community in a way that feels good for us; b. cause relatively little damage to others; and c. love and learn some more - I have a matrix to light up, whatever the heck that means. The Great Genius helps.

I love GLP because it’s a microcosmic hive-mind.:)

I am still awkward at internet forums. This gives me the willies to be this open.