Appears some here telling woman need to obey husbands, keep quiet in church - when bible doesn't say that at all!!

Don't give me the malarky about old covenant new covenant and grafting to tree.

We as christians are under the age of GRACE.

The old covenant and law applys to Jewish people only.

Ten commandments may apply to all - but gentiles never made the same covenants with God that the Jews did.

God would never expect you to keep promises you didn't agree to.

You must agree to accept Jesus - it's a free gift.

Early apostles were concerned men would place a yoke on gentiles and prevent them from accepting Jesus. Boy were they right in that regard!!!

Let's not forget we're all inclusive men and woman are equal in the eyes of God and Jesus:

Galatians 3:28 there is neither MALE OR FEMALE: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Men who say woman are second class are completely wrong

People argue incessantly about new covenant and old covenant and no one can even agree on what they mean.

Yet many expect people to live by laws that no one can clearly define.

Best thing - follow only Jesus teaching.

Which is love thy brother, they neighbor and love God with all your heart.

I can see people have been telling women the lies on this site for a good many years - as I notice threads on the bottom of page - very rudely nonetheless towards women, which shows a disdain; so I'm wondering if this isn't done on purpose!!

Now all you misogynists can post your hate.

And misguided pastors et al show your ignorance :)

If you think I'm being hard on pastors and churches - sorry.

Since I sincerely think we are in end time - Jesus tells us there will be a great apostasy; and there is.

Too many Laodicean churches - too few churches Philadelphia.

If the rapture happened to day - how many christians do you think would be raptured?

Why not actually quote the whole passage and let readers decide for themselves:

"34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…"

If this is a tongues issue, why does it single out women?


"... let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…"

I just love how professing Christians can justify anything that doesn't fit the times or their own lifestyle.

At least man (or woman) up and address the actual words that are written.

I personally have questioned this and many of Paul's writings. Christians have always been told they are under grace but many of Paul's messages are very legalistic and seem contrary to Christ's.

You forgot the whole thing - like you said - post it all and let people judge for themselves:

1 Corinthians 14


5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.


8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.





17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


Even tells others to keep quiet - speak to self and God

The entire chapter is talking about tongues.

All scripture is inspired by God

Not the New Testament only Old Testament.

Paul was writing letters - how was he to know his writings would end up being the new testament.

Much like all my emails probably won't end up being in millenium testament :)

This has nothing to do with speaking in tongues which is not necessary anymore.

It has to do with a woman usurping a man's role in the church.

If you look at what was going on at that time and at that location, there was a movement like the feminist movement of today. Paul was trying to stop that from infiltrating the congregation.

It is not that women can't teach or that she isn't as smart as a man(many times she is) it is just we all have our roles set out by God and we need to honor that.

God is the head of Jesus
Jesus is the head of the man
Man is the head of the woman
And husband and wife is head of the children with the father taking the lead.

Men lead the congregations and women have their roles when teaching other women and children. But they do so under the guidance of men and never take over the congregation.

Even if Paul and Peter were correct in saying Woman submit and be silent you need to understand what was going on during the early days of the church. The apostles were debating church rules and behaviors.

They were referring to customs of their day i.e. circumcision among other things.

They weren't trying to change customs, because that would have really upset the apple cart - especially customs regarding women - since they were regarded as second class.

Hence his need to tell husbands to love, cherish, honor, understand, sacrifice. This was a big deal - compared to the was men treated their wives in those days

Laws, customs have changed.

Can't bring forward things that don't apply to today. You're merely driving woman out of the church; or worse yet preventing them from ever being saved.

Yes, there was debating and they were telling the women to stay out of it. That if they had problems with it to wait until they got home and to question their husbands who could then bring any problems up later in the congregation. It kept women from taking over what is to be a man's responsibility and causing even more problems in the congregation. It the women from becoming like Jezebel.

Yep and Priscilla is a man: NOT!!

Romans 16:3

New Living Translation

Paul says:

Give my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in the ministry of Christ Jesus.

Priscilla was leading her own "church"

fixed

Maybe they were reading the Quran. It must be confusing thinking with 2 heads.

Priscilla was under the headship of her husband. She worked beside her husband and Paul but she was not over them. They would have been over her.

The women led the way in the preaching work but they did this with the oversight of the men in the congregations. They would have never thought of taking it over.

Psalm 68:11

The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:


This says that women do a lot of the preaching. But they follow God's rules in doing it. Their husbands preside over them. And they follow the lead from the men in the congregations. It is very orderly and that is how God runs things.

Funny, then Paul called them co-workers or yolksmen.

Equal

SHOULD A WOMAN TEACH IN CHURCH?

Unequivocally - YES

The social movements of every age seem to be used by God to force Christians to re-examine (and clarify) their understanding of what the Scriptures teach. Painful as they may be, every such re-examination results ultimately in stronger and clearer statements on the subjects in question than the Church has ever had before. This is certainly the case in the matter of the woman's role in the Church. The secular Women's Liberation movement is forcing church leaders everywhere to distinguish carefully between attitudes toward women derived from customs and traditions of the past (often strongly macho-dominated) and what the Bible actually teaches and what the early Church actually did.

In the scope of this brief article it is not possible to answer all the questions which are being raised today. But we would like to examine the specific question being asked by many Christians today: Should a woman teach the Scriptures, and especially, should she teach men or when men are present?

We can say at once that the New Testament clearly indicates that both men and women receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit without distinction in regard to sex.

[link to www.ldolphin.org]

Galatians 3:28 there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Just wait until I get Huffington Post to check out this place and see for themselves the bs that goes on against women here. I'll bet that will stir up controversy.

I hope the readers swarm the fuck outta this place,too.

If you read about Jezebel's church in Revelation - Jesus only mentions repent of what she was teaching, not because she was teaching!!

Plenty of male pastors today are leading their "flock" straight to HELL!!

The old arguments in favor of slavery as God's intended order are identical to those being used today to excuse male privilege. This desire for rule and power and control goes all the way back to Genesis, when Adam blamed God for making Eve, as his excuse to sin, and also to the "enmity" between the woman and the serpent. This is the one sin many man refuse to give up, preferring instead to take a few prooftexts and ignore the basic principles of the faith, as was done about slavery.

Few even stop to think why it is that God chose "the seed of the woman", and not "of the man", to rectify Adam's rebellion. Eve thus was indeed the "strong ally" (meaning of the Hebrew ezer kenegdo, typically mistranslated as "helpmeet") that Adam needed. Adam was the needy one, and Eve the provider of help. This is what Genesis says.

EXACTLY!

It was this woman's false teaching that Jesus condemned. One would be hard-pressed to see Jesus condemning a woman if she were preaching the true Gospel and a life of holiness and purity.

The only literal Jezebel in scripture is in the OT, the wife of wicked King Ahab. Yet not once was she faulted for some imaginary usurpation of his authority as king or even as a man, per the social customs of the time. Rather, she was faulted for opposing Israel and leading them into sexual sin and idolatry. Likewise, the woman in Rev. was given the figurative name Jezebel because she too was teaching immorality and idolatry.

Men like to invent an imaginary "Jezebel spirit" and then use it as a rod with which to beat godly Christian women into submission, and then such men have the gall to claim they are "ruling benevolently". God will not tolerate their lame excuses at the judgment.

Who was first to see?

The Resurrection

…9 and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.

10 Now they were Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them were telling these things to the apostles.

11 But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and they would not believe them.…Luke 24

Here are the verses:

Ephesians 5
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

1 peter 3

7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, ...being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.