Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)?

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Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52353308 United States 03/27/2015 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? "12:51 GMT - Mirages flew by - Meolans Revel local councillor Thierry Brown tells AFP's Isabelle Malsang: "The only thing we noticed was *three Mirage fighter planes flying over, at least three times, around the supposed time of the crash." 13:13 GMT - Radio links - Colonel Jean-Pascal Breton, head of French air force information service SIRPA Air, explains the overflights by Mirage military planes, saying they went to the area of the crash to provide radio links* between the various rescue services. [link to news.yahoo.com] "Ms Royal confirmed this morning that, soon after 10.30am, when the pilots had stopped responding by radio, the French military scrambled a Mirage jet fighter to investigate. This aircraft was seen by eye-witnesses following the doomed airliner as it skimmed the Alpine ridges before crashing into a sheer mountain-side. The pilot of the Mirage could, therefore, also possess crucial information on the Germanwings aircraft's behaviour." [link to www.independent.co.uk] "The French services dispatched a Mirage fighter as soon as the civil flight authorities lost radio contact with the civilian aircraft...A Mirage 2000-C based at the Orange airbase in southern France, was deployed once the alert was sounded on the loss of communication between the airliner and air traffic control...The Air Force flew a C-135FR to provide a radio contact between aircraft and air traffic control." ( [link to www.defensenews.com] "France's air force said it scrambled a Mirage fighter jet to the area when the Germanwings flight lost radar contact, but arrived too late to help. An air force spokesman said the Mirage 2000 took off minutes after it became clear that there was a problem and went to the A320's last known location, but arrived after it crashed in the Alps...The spokesman said that the Mirage didn't locate the site of the crash [WTF?]. Helicopters later found the debris scattered across a mountainside. The spokesman wasn't authorised to be publicly named according to military policy." "Officials confirmed to NBC News that the French air force had scrambled a Mirage fighter jet to the area when the Germanwings flight lost radar contact on Tuesday, but the jet arrived too late and didn't spot the wreckage." [link to www.nbcnews.com] Questions: Was the reason no Mayday was sent for 8-18 minutes because the Mirages were jamming comms? Is the "18 minute descent" being changed to "8" to make the pilots' (in)actions seem more normal i.e. less weird that no one radioed tower? (Is it possible for a crewmember outside the cabin to trigger a Mayday?) Interesting observation from a place I can't link to: "By using remote to crash the plane after a full throttle dive, they [Mirages] ensured a perfect crash scene with obliteration of evidence." If the Mirage escort was no big deal, why was their mention scrubbed during a revision of a Daily Mail piece? (discussed here in German, with screenshots: [link to quer-denken.tv]

beeches User ID: 28167778 United States 03/27/2015 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? bump Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52353308 United States 03/27/2015 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? The jammed comms was an interesting idea--that was from the German site linked. His theory is that the Mirages jammed comms while the flight was either RC'd into the mountainside, and/or that they shot out the flaps so the plane couldn't ascend.
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52353308 United States 03/27/2015 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? Whoa--here's a new one: ---- "We were between 11 am and noon, at the foot of the mountain Tromas, when we saw an airliner that had just round the mountain on the right. It was flying low, and its trajectory was curious. But in 1300 meters, with a large mountain that rises to 2500 meters in front, we did not realize it was flying so low. And, its trajectory, we thought he had Nice rather Marseille. At the same time, *we saw a fighter plane that seemed to make a move to avoid it*. By far, it was even said that he could perhaps strike. It was certainly looking for him, and he had the spot. We often have drills, planes. They make a lot of noise. Moreover, they frighten our animals. So, we did not hear the explosion when the plane crashed, but we realized afterwards that they had probably been the last to see this airplane. ---- [link to www.francetvinfo.fr]
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52353308 United States 03/27/2015 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? Courtesy of @Danoh: ---- Remote control of an airliner concept is to take control of the computer flying the plane through the flight management system (FMS). You just have to remotely program the new flight path, and the plane does it. It would not be real time, joy stick controlled like a combat drone or a big RC a plane. In a traditional plane, this won't work, as the pilots can simply disconnect the autopilot and FMS with one button. The all electric Airbus and 757/767 boeings are full electronic controlled. There are no old school cables going from the controls to the wings and tail. So the theory is that the transponder send and receive signal can be used to remotely access the FMS system. Once in, you just tell the FMS where to go and press enter. And the computer takes care of the rest. You can set speed, altitude, course and destination. When the first Airbus was flying at an air show years ago, the plane thought it was in landing mode. No amount of control manipulation by the pilots could correct it. And it flew into a field against the pilots wishes. So I suppose that validates the theory. ----
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 52353308 United States 03/28/2015 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? How do we know it was the captain who left the cockpit? What if it was the co-pilot, and the captain simply reached over and reset the altitude from the co-pilot's controls? All we have to go on is some crewmember (was it even a crewmember?) saying it was the captain's voice in the voice recording--are they certain? Would it hold up in a court of law? And did a crewmember say such a thing in the first place?
Lord_Kayle User ID: 68037780 United States 03/29/2015 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Flight 4U 9525: What was the role of the Mirage(s)? KC_Goldshine "Know guns, no crime. No guns, know crime." - Ralph Lauretano "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms" - Thomas Jefferson "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." - Mark Twain "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." - Benjamin Franklin "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Said to be Voltaire, but really - Unknown

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