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Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....

 
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"Witnesses told the French Air Force they heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the doomed Germanwings' A320 passenger plane shortly before it crashed into the mountains near Digne, southern France, IBTimes UK can reveal.

A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, told IBTimes UK witnesses in the crash investigation told him "they had heard an explosion and seen smoke".

While the French authorities have not confirmed these accounts, the pilot confirms the French Air Force has received a number of corroborating witness testimonies.

The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".

"The search zone is quite localised, but a piece has been found upstream, which is a bit unsettling," the pilot said from Orange.



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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
Must be true, the internets say so.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
That makes sense with the audio it was hitting some trees or something first for a few seconds before it went smack into the mountain.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
The landing sequence was for something like 190 feet or something so it didn't go straight into the ground but was low before it hit.
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"Witnesses told the French Air Force they heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the doomed Germanwings' A320 passenger plane shortly before it crashed into the mountains near Digne, southern France, IBTimes UK can reveal.

A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, told IBTimes UK witnesses in the crash investigation told him "they had heard an explosion and seen smoke".

While the French authorities have not confirmed these accounts, the pilot confirms the French Air Force has received a number of corroborating witness testimonies.

The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".

"The search zone is quite localised, but a piece has been found upstream, which is a bit unsettling," the pilot said from Orange.



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At what altitude was the plane when they saw this?
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
The landing sequence was for something like 190 feet or something so it didn't go straight into the ground but was low before it hit.
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If it was that low before it hit, then why was debris spread so far and wide between several valleys?

There is no impact crater, cracks or anything of that sort. No burn, no fire, no char to even indicate an impact site.

If it hit several rocky inclines before making a final impact, there would be many more larger pieces of fuselage in the wake of the wreckage.

My question is exactly how far UPSTREAM was this piece found? How do you correlate that distance, and account for the first piece of broken fuselage, and the moment passengers started screaming?
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Plane was shot down just like mh17
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
"Witnesses told the French Air Force they heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the doomed Germanwings' A320 passenger plane shortly before it crashed into the mountains near Digne, southern France, IBTimes UK can reveal.

A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, told IBTimes UK witnesses in the crash investigation told him "they had heard an explosion and seen smoke".

While the French authorities have not confirmed these accounts, the pilot confirms the French Air Force has received a number of corroborating witness testimonies.

The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".

"The search zone is quite localised, but a piece has been found upstream, which is a bit unsettling," the pilot said from Orange.



[link to www.ibtimes.co.uk]
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At what altitude was the plane when they saw this?
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Try the article at the link.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
The landing sequence was for something like 190 feet or something so it didn't go straight into the ground but was low before it hit.
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If it was that low before it hit, then why was debris spread so far and wide between several valleys?

There is no impact crater, cracks or anything of that sort. No burn, no fire, no char to even indicate an impact site.

If it hit several rocky inclines before making a final impact, there would be many more larger pieces of fuselage in the wake of the wreckage.

My question is exactly how far UPSTREAM was this piece found? How do you correlate that distance, and account for the first piece of broken fuselage, and the moment passengers started screaming?
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I noticed this also, extremely defuse debris field. Like it broke up in the air. Also One of the flight recorders is MIA last I heard.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
I have more to add to this - once I get around to it.

It's possible that flight 9525 was also shot by fighter jets right before it crashed. This threads link will take you to where more about this possibility is shown. (scroll)

Thread: Official Flight 9525 Crash Story Is A LIE! - Smoking Gun Proof of Govt. Job!

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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".

"The search zone is quite localised, but a piece has been found upstream, which is a bit unsettling," the pilot said from Orange.
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a post from another thread

I have stated over and over again
but nobody listens or cares

there is no accountability in
making cheap airplanes

it's not terrorists
it's not faulty computers
it's not pilot error

IT'S THE ALUMINUM USED

cheap substandard aluminum was used
by both Boeing and Airbus in making these
discount planes for cheap air transportation

the cheap aluminum comes apart and flies
off the fuselage under stressful situations

the planes disintegrate in mid air due
to cheap aluminum

both Boeing and Airbus gets their cheap
aluminum from Rio Tinto

might as well just be flying in cardboard.
it's a death trap waiting for a victim.

Thread: Who is manipulating price of aluminium to such a extent that
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
Maybe the plane dove so fast that it started to break up before the impact.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
when the planes were designed,
they were designed to be flown
using high quality aluminum
exterior

later on, to cut costs for planes
sold to discount airlines, the
aluminum gets downgraded to a cheap
composite material that replaces
the aluminum

under stress, the composite material
breaks apart from the fuselage causing
the plane to disintegrate in the air

and the plane manufacturers and the airlines
are covering this up

discount airlines are death traps
waiting to happen
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
"Witnesses told the French Air Force they heard an explosion and saw smoke coming out of the doomed Germanwings' A320 passenger plane shortly before it crashed into the mountains near Digne, southern France, IBTimes UK can reveal.

A helicopter pilot in the French Air Force based in Orange, 30 minutes away from the site of the crash, told IBTimes UK witnesses in the crash investigation told him "they had heard an explosion and seen smoke".

While the French authorities have not confirmed these accounts, the pilot confirms the French Air Force has received a number of corroborating witness testimonies.

The pilot also confirmed that debris was found upstream from the crash site - which he said confirmed the fact that the piece of fuselage had "been detached from the aircraft before impact".

"The search zone is quite localised, but a piece has been found upstream, which is a bit unsettling," the pilot said from Orange.



[link to www.ibtimes.co.uk]
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This is why i don't believe this Co pilot story its bullshit.
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Post from other thread I borrowed to show here:

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Maybe the plane dove so fast that it started to break up before the impact.
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hesright
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Maybe the plane dove so fast that it started to break up before the impact.
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hesright
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A passenger plane can't fly that fast.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
So if there was a huge struggle with the locked out pilot trying to smash his way through the cockpit door for 8 minutes before the crash ?? Why did not one of the 180 odd passengers send a single text or make any calls to loved ones ??
I would bet a fair bit the official story is a cover up - but Im confused as to who would benefit from this ort what the purpose of it may be ?
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
A passenger plane can't fly that fast.
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under usual circumstances you would be correct

but add in the factor of the cheap composite
exterior and you get a whole new set of variables
which allow the plane to come apart at slower
speeds
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
So if there was a huge struggle with the locked out pilot trying to smash his way through the cockpit door for 8 minutes before the crash ?? Why did not one of the 180 odd passengers send a single text or make any calls to loved ones ??
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if the plane came apart in mid-air
then the passengers would be putting
on masks to breathe and holding on
from being sucked out the hole created

no time for texts under those conditions
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
So if there was a huge struggle with the locked out pilot trying to smash his way through the cockpit door for 8 minutes before the crash ?? Why did not one of the 180 odd passengers send a single text or make any calls to loved ones ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68707131


if the plane came apart in mid-air
then the passengers would be putting
on masks to breathe and holding on
from being sucked out the hole created

no time for texts under those conditions
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there was plenty time for at least 1 cold blood person

so u are triyng to chill here

wonder why!!!
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
A passenger plane can't fly that fast.
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under usual circumstances you would be correct

but add in the factor of the cheap composite
exterior and you get a whole new set of variables
which allow the plane to come apart at slower
speeds
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yup, please let's just me add a new :
hesright
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
So if there was a huge struggle with the locked out pilot trying to smash his way through the cockpit door for 8 minutes before the crash ?? Why did not one of the 180 odd passengers send a single text or make any calls to loved ones ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68707131


if the plane came apart in mid-air
then the passengers would be putting
on masks to breathe and holding on
from being sucked out the hole created

no time for texts under those conditions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1901622


there was plenty time for at least 1 cold blood person

so u are triyng to chill here

wonder why!!!
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For 150 people on board there must have been 148 mobile phones.
Maybe they will find a mobile phone with an unsent message as I doubt there was any network coverage there, however low they were. French coverage is sh1t. I live in the Pyrenees.

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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
A passenger plane can't fly that fast.
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under usual circumstances you would be correct

but add in the factor of the cheap composite
exterior and you get a whole new set of variables
which allow the plane to come apart at slower
speeds
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You have no clue what you're talking about. That plane had an aluminum exterior. It was built in 1990.
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A summary of events and details from the BBC so far.

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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
So if there was a huge struggle with the locked out pilot trying to smash his way through the cockpit door for 8 minutes before the crash ?? Why did not one of the 180 odd passengers send a single text or make any calls to loved ones ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68707131


if the plane came apart in mid-air
then the passengers would be putting
on masks to breathe and holding on
from being sucked out the hole created

no time for texts under those conditions
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1901622


there was plenty time for at least 1 cold blood person

so u are triyng to chill here

wonder why!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54510665



For 150 people on board there must have been 148 mobile phones.
Maybe they will find a mobile phone with an unsent message as I doubt there was any network coverage there, however low they were. French coverage is sh1t. I live in the Pyrenees.
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There is definitely network coverage on the final flightpath (at least on the ground).

I used my mobile last September in Draix which is a tiny mountain village only about five miles south from the crash site (very near the final flightpath of the airbus). I did some crosscountry paragliding, landed up there and called my wife via mobile.

look it up at google maps:

[link to www.google.de (secure)]

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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
Maybe the plane dove so fast that it started to break up before the impact.
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Last radar report showed mach .57 max is .90 and cruising speed is .75

So claiming it dove too steep would be incorrect not to mention that design has safeguards to prevent depending too steeply.
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Re: Witness claims a piece of fuselage had been detached from the plane BEFORE IMPACT, and was found upstream.....
The Sorcha report appears more accurate over the HELLAD cover up of it causing the plane to explode in the air from their war games shooting at an ICBM in the air practice. I think it is very horrible if the U.S. is defaming a dear soul pilot who was an innocent casualty himself. The grief for his family. But then when has the U.S. ever been merciful? Its prisons are full of scapegoats, innocent people doing time for someone elses crime. Noticed we are getting some very precise reports from Russia on the exact missile that hit the Pentagon and where it came from ordered by Cheney. 9-11 is being exposed.





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