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Sorry - I had to sleep on it. This is going a little off topic but I will try to bring it back... here are my thoughts:

One can ignore God by taking His teachings (absolutely stated with respect and consideration and without a judgmental heart) and bending them to better suit their bias! For example, it is a good thing that you recognize The Divine in everything, and I believe you when you say that you love it all...*yes*...that's *good*! But it's not enough! Check out this passage:

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

The last part of that verse is what I'd like to highlight - serving the creation rather than the Creator!

If one has a deep seated appreciation and gratitude for what they witness in creation, is it not a more reasonable and responsible response to exalt and worship The Creator? Does not The One, that through His creation, elicits such gratitude in your heart deserve *all* the praise and glory?
 Quoting: jdb


See to me... the 'creature' could be the individual, and the 'creator' again, could be within the whole/natural world.

I just don't understand why, God would need or demand us to serve and worship him.

It makes more sense to me that he would want us to worship all parts equally, because he is in everything; rather than one individual concept or being.

As for asking you to blindly accept, give credit and teach His Word, ESPECIALLY through someone else's definition?

(not yelling)

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

THAT is a *critical* point! I'm not asking you do to anything *unreasonable*! In fact in the Book of Isaiah God makes a call for *reason*!

Isa 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

God Himself does *not* ask you to take anything on blind faith! This is a faith that *DEMANDS* reason!
 Quoting: jdb


I am using reason to try to understand, and that is where the problem is.
When reasoning makes no sense, you tell me to use faith; but when I ask you, if you want me to use blind faith, you say "absolutely not". So then I must reason... and we are going around in circles.

Far too often, people make assumptions about faith that pigeon hole it as unreasonable! Given all of history, faith in man is unreasonable! But God IS Faithful! But then we're back to the pinnacle of the problem...*we* don't want to exercise faith...we don't like it! It goes against every fleshly fiber in our being! We simple don't want to live by faith! However, whether we like it or not...doesn't change God's design!

God did this! Think about it for a second! In it's simplest terms..."God did this'! God set this world up the way He set it up! And *nothing* is going to change that fact! So instead of kicking against the goads, why not "surrender" to God, to His design and find out what life is like living for God? There really are only two choices - worship of self or worshiping God! There are no other options!
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But there is another option...
There are some beautifully ethical, moral people out there who do not believe, worship or understand 'God'.
They do not behave out of fear of punishment, (which is essentially self-absorbed)... and so neither do they worship themselves...
Instead, they can see the divine in everything, and everyone... they realize that they are simply a tiny part of something, much bigger than themselves... and so they worship only everything, and therefore do not wish to cause harm, they just try for love and balance.

So, that's a long winded way of saying, all is either on God's terms or our terms! Who is wiser - God or us?
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But everything is on God's term anyway. There is nothing else...

I do have faith.
I have faith that a God who is good; is also just enough to know the essence of each human heart, and spirit, without needing their worship.

And to bring us back on topic...

It is not about choosing between him and us... his wisdom is an innate knowledge, within us all; a moral code based on love. And by putting any one thing on a pedestal, could stop access to it. Morality only makes sense, when the whole is worshiped, and love transcends completely.
Without this, we risk wrongdoing in the name of 'God'.
Which, in turn, would be ungodly and unrighteous.


Sorry about the double post. :)
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Phil Rob masterfully trolls the fuck out of atheistards!

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....and that butthurt is coming from direct penile inflitration.
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Phil Rob masterfully trolls the fuck out of atheistards!

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If that's what it is, then it makes sense!

Otherwise... WTF?!
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Sorry - I had to sleep on it. This is going a little off topic but I will try to bring it back... here are my thoughts:

 Quoting: jdb


See to me... the 'creature' could be the individual, and the 'creator' again, could be within the whole/natural world.

I just don't understand why, God would need or demand us to serve and worship him.

It makes more sense to me that he would want us to worship all parts equally, because he is in everything; rather than one individual concept or being.

 Quoting: jdb


I am using reason to try to understand, and that is where the problem is.
When reasoning makes no sense, you tell me to use faith; but when I ask you, if you want me to use blind faith, you say "absolutely not". So then I must reason... and we are going around in circles.

There really are only two choices - worship of self or worshiping God! There are no other options!
 Quoting: jdb


But there is another option...
There are some beautifully ethical, moral people out there who do not believe, worship or understand 'God'.
They do not behave out of fear of punishment, (which is essentially self-absorbed)... and so neither do they worship themselves...
Instead, they can see the divine in everything, and everyone... they realize that they are simply a tiny part of something, much bigger than themselves... and so they worship only everything, and therefore do not wish to cause harm, they just try for love and balance.

So, that's a long winded way of saying, all is either on God's terms or our terms! Who is wiser - God or us?
 Quoting: jdb


But everything is on God's term anyway. There is nothing else...

I do have faith.
I have faith that a God who is good; is also just enough to know the essence of each human heart, and spirit, without needing their worship.

And to bring us back on topic...

It is not about choosing between him and us... his wisdom is an innate knowledge, within us all; a moral code based on love. And by putting any one thing on a pedestal, could stop to access it. Morality only makes sense, when the whole is worshiped, and love transcends completely.
Without this, we risk wrongdoing in the name of 'God'.
Which, in turn would be ungodly and unrighteous.
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No apology necessary - I am grateful you checked back!

The person and all "is" the creation - but if God Is God, then we need to receive and accept Him in the manner He calls us to do! We are not free to assign roles that He did not write - for example, God "made" the rock! It is by His power that the rock is held together! We are not free to take a rock and declare that God is in the rock, therefore the rock is holy!

We cannot worship the rock! He did *not* call us to worship all parts equally! He called us to worship Him! I think therein lies the crux of the issue between us! Doing life on His terms as opposed to our terms! We are the creatures, the created, He designed the creation *and* tells us how to live in the creation! He Is God...and we're not! Therefore, all is on His terms! If our terms contradict His terms...we're wrong! Jesus called us to *follow Him*, not *lead* Him!

I respectfully note that it doesn't appear to me that you are objectively applying reason...seems more like you are fighting for addressing God and His design on your terms...and that's the point! While on the surface you seems to approach these matters with reverence, it's not in line with the way God asks us to deal with such matters! That's why TOTALLY abandon...TOTAL surrender to God is paramount!

As for beautiful moral people...definitely some more then others, but again, this is a description or interpretation constructed on your terms! The Bible teaches us that *no one* is righteous...not one of us! We have *all* sinned and fallen short of His Glory and thus *all* of us are in need of a savior! If one such as yourself points to a human being and declares that one an example of holiness and righteousness, then you are are setting yourself in the seat of God! On your best day, you will never even come close to comprehending the Holiness and Righteousness of God...and then to suggest that you can create or identify an acceptable standard of "goodness" apart from God's design is futile!

There are only two options - worshiping God on His terms or some aspect of worshiping ourselves! We are not to declare anything apart from His design and His teachings!

You declare that you have faith...and that I agree, but the problem is that your concept of faith does not line up with His Word, therefore, your faith is on your terms - a grave mistake! You rightly say "God Is Good" but then go on to (respectfully noted) twist His Character facet of justice - YES God Is Just - but not according to the definition you give!

It is clear you dislike God's call to worship Him!

Why?

It is a simple thing - God calls us to worship Him...why kick against the goads? Especially in light of the fact that He Is a Good God!

Your comment about love transcending is interesting when you try to apply that concept in the manner you describe!

An unrepentant child molester, an unrepentant rapist, in short, destroyers of life, should these be allowed to continue to wreak havoc in society? When does the needs and concern for others begin to out weigh their "right" to sow destruction because love transcends?

One with cancer does not apply the concept of transcending "love" to the cancer cells that are attacking their body, likewise, it is evil to tolerate those who sow destruction!

Love IS not a feeling! Love IS doing what is right regardless of the cost! There are feelings associated with love - but love is a choice!
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Petrichor I've gotta get to work - will check back later - either way it is truly a pleasure arguing in the constructive sense with you!

PEACE!
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What a fucking weirdo. Religion, in my opinion, is absolutely in fucking sane. I'm not an atheist by any means and I never try to sway a persons belief system. But for me it's very clear that religion, all of them...the big ones anyhow, are a control method. To assume a white guy, 6ft something, lived 2000 years ago and was the literal son of the creator of the universe is a possibility, sure, but in my years of experience and searching I have come to believe that it's complete and total bull shit. Then for some fucking religitard, who is praised for absolutely nothing, uses god as an excuse to justify tormenting a family that doesn't share his beliefs. Sure it's hypothetical at this point but where is the line? Human beings seriously need to pull their shit together and put our differences aside...we could really change everything that way. Again, my opinion.
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Agree with you 100%
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Petrichor I've gotta get to work - will check back later - either way it is truly a pleasure arguing in the constructive sense with you!

PEACE!
 Quoting: jdb


Hehe... grouphug

No apology necessary - I am grateful you checked back!

The person and all "is" the creation - but if God Is God, then we need to receive and accept Him in the manner He calls us to do! We are not free to assign roles that He did not write - for example, God "made" the rock! It is by His power that the rock is held together! We are not free to take a rock and declare that God is in the rock, therefore the rock is holy!
 Quoting: jdb


chuckle
Ok, now don't get mad... but I literally do this all the time, with everything! tomato

We cannot worship the rock! He did *not* call us to worship all parts equally! He called us to worship Him! I think therein lies the crux of the issue between us! Doing life on His terms as opposed to our terms! We are the creatures, the created, He designed the creation *and* tells us how to live in the creation! He Is God...and we're not! Therefore, all is on His terms! If our terms contradict His terms...we're wrong! Jesus called us to *follow Him*, not *lead* Him!

I respectfully note that it doesn't appear to me that you are objectively applying reason...seems more like you are fighting for addressing God and His design on your terms...and that's the point! While on the surface you seems to approach these matters with reverence, it's not in line with the way God asks us to deal with such matters! That's why TOTALLY abandon...TOTAL surrender to God is paramount!

As for beautiful moral people...definitely some more then others, but again, this is a description or interpretation constructed on your terms! The Bible teaches us that *no one* is righteous...not one of us! We have *all* sinned and fallen short of His Glory and thus *all* of us are in need of a savior! If one such as yourself points to a human being and declares that one an example of holiness and righteousness, then you are are setting yourself in the seat of God! On your best day, you will never even come close to comprehending the Holiness and Righteousness of God...and then to suggest that you can create or identify an acceptable standard of "goodness" apart from God's design is futile!

There are only two options - worshiping God on His terms or some aspect of worshiping ourselves! We are not to declare anything apart from His design and His teachings!
 Quoting: jdb


Ok, so I do understand that you are saying that I am pretty much making up my own definitions/terms...
I can't deny this... but, my point being, is that 'Gods Word' is all very open to interpretation, and therefore misinterpretation also.


You declare that you have faith...and that I agree, but the problem is that your concept of faith does not line up with His Word, therefore, your faith is on your terms - a grave mistake! You rightly say "God Is Good" but then go on to (respectfully noted) twist His Character facet of justice - YES God Is Just - but not according to the definition you give!

It is clear you dislike God's call to worship Him!

Why?

It is a simple thing - God calls us to worship Him...why kick against the goads? Especially in light of the fact that He Is a Good God!
 Quoting: jdb


It just doesn't make sense to me, why God would need or demand to be worshiped. That would require an ego.

Surely, a divine being, that was filled with light, love and good, wouldn't need to demand that people fall at his feet to make himself feel good...or get upset if they did not understand him.
And if he does... well, he just doesn't sound all that divine anymore. Sounds more like a dictator, or a grumpy human being! lol

Your comment about love transcending is interesting when you try to apply that concept in the manner you describe!

An unrepentant child molester, an unrepentant rapist, in short, destroyers of life, should these be allowed to continue to wreak havoc in society? When does the needs and concern for others begin to out weigh their "right" to sow destruction because love transcends?

One with cancer does not apply the concept of transcending "love" to the cancer cells that are attacking their body, likewise, it is evil to tolerate those who sow destruction!
 Quoting: jdb


Oh this is a whole new topic! lol ;)
In the example you gave (a child molester, or rapist), then I think there is something very wrong with the way their brain is working, and they have deep psychological issues. Yes, they may well need to be 'removed' as such, from society... and then helped, as you may someone with mental instability who may cause harm to others. There can still be love there. But then that is just a whole other issue, because I don't think we have got that right either!

Basically, I believe, that as a society, we are only as strong as our weakest individuals. Our job should be to perhaps isolate, (only when necessary), and then understand (through psychological, and biological studies), re-educate, inspire and attempt to rehabilitate our weakest, allowing them to hopefully reform into trusted and respected individuals, at which point they can rejoin society... their 'sentence' always being only as long as it takes.
-It is less about punishment and more about effective support and rebuilding what is broken.

So to me it is not about tolerating evil; it is about accepting what is not of love and trying to take responsibility for improving it, whilst not adding to, or worsening it.

Love IS not a feeling! Love IS doing what is right regardless of the cost! There are feelings associated with love - but love is a choice!
 Quoting: jdb


I need to think about this definition of Love for a bit... you have confused me! chuckle

hf
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who watches this hillbilly shit?


Redneck retards with guns?


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Love IS not a feeling! Love IS doing what is right regardless of the cost! There are feelings associated with love - but love is a choice!
 Quoting: jdb


I need to think about this definition of Love for a bit... you have confused me! chuckle

hf


...Ok, I think it depends on your definition of 'what is right'.
To me that is a feeling.
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chuckle
Ok, now don't get mad... but I literally do this all the time, with everything! tomato

Ok, so I do understand that you are saying that I am pretty much making up my own definitions/terms...
I can't deny this... but, my point being, is that 'Gods Word' is all very open to interpretation, and therefore misinterpretation also.
 Quoting: Petrichor


No...not mad! With someone like you I don't get frustrated - I see that we'll likely not agree, but I find conversation with people like you very enriching!

Ok...yes, (always noting with respect), you are making up your own definitions and terms - this presupposes that you place a high level of confidence on your own wisdom...I think that a scary place to be given that all of us are totally depraved and broken when held against to the holiness and righteousness of God!

The awesome thing about God's Word, is that it *doesn't* need anyone to interpret it! God's Word interprets itself! When people "interpret" His Word, religions are born, denominations rise and perversion ensues! So I strong disagree that God's Word is open for interpretation!

It just doesn't make sense to me, why God would need or demand to be worshiped. That would require an ego.

Surely, a divine being, that was filled with light, love and good, wouldn't need to demand that people fall at his feet to make himself feel good...or get upset if they did not understand him.
And if he does... well, he just doesn't sound all that divine anymore. Sounds more like a dictator, or a grumpy human being! lol
 Quoting: Petrichor


Ok, this is another "telling" statement! You are relying upon your own interpretation of Who God Is and how He should behave! This is not our domain! Boil it down to its simplest terms - God Is...we're not! If "God Is" and "we're not", then all is on His terms! When one refuses to enter into a relationship with Him in a manner that is devoid of accepting Him on His terms, one exalts themselves above God...just like lucifer did when he rebelled! Interestingly, this drills down toward the deep part of the root of this particular sin where *we* decide that we are going to tell God "how the cow eats the cabbage"! That's the thing with God - absolute surrender!

Sorry - pushed the wrong button - will continue to answer - please give me a couple of minutes

Your comment about love transcending is interesting when you try to apply that concept in the manner you describe!

An unrepentant child molester, an unrepentant rapist, in short, destroyers of life, should these be allowed to continue to wreak havoc in society? When does the needs and concern for others begin to out weigh their "right" to sow destruction because love transcends?

One with cancer does not apply the concept of transcending "love" to the cancer cells that are attacking their body, likewise, it is evil to tolerate those who sow destruction!
 Quoting: jdb


Oh this is a whole new topic! lol ;)
In the example you gave (a child molester, or rapist), then I think there is something very wrong with the way their brain is working, and they have deep psychological issues. Yes, they may well need to be 'removed' as such, from society... and then helped, as you may someone with mental instability who may cause harm to others. There can still be love there. But then that is just a whole other issue, because I don't think we have got that right either!

Basically, I believe, that as a society, we are only as strong as our weakest individuals. Our job should be to perhaps isolate, (only when necessary), and then understand (through psychological, and biological studies), re-educate, inspire and attempt to rehabilitate our weakest, allowing them to hopefully reform into trusted and respected individuals, at which point they can rejoin society... their 'sentence' always being only as long as it takes.
-It is less about punishment and more about effective support and rebuilding what is broken.

So to me it is not about tolerating evil; it is about accepting what is not of love and trying to take responsibility for improving it, whilst not adding to, or worsening it.

Love IS not a feeling! Love IS doing what is right regardless of the cost! There are feelings associated with love - but love is a choice!
 Quoting: jdb


I need to think about this definition of Love for a bit... you have confused me! chuckle

hf
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Phil Robertson is a genius.

Checkmate!

I'm sure if you put a real atheist through being raped and having his testicles and penis cut from him. As well as raping his entire family in front of him, and then beheading them. They'll be praying to someone or something! Mark my words! I'd like to see that! We would have tons of believers in God because they would get how it feels to live up to your own belief system and have it fail you badly.
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Phil Robertson is a genius.

Checkmate!

I'm sure if you put a real atheist through being raped and having his testicles and penis cut from him. As well as raping his entire family in front of him, and then beheading them. They'll be praying to someone or something! Mark my words! I'd like to see that! We would have tons of believers in God because they would get how it feels to live up to your own belief system and have it fail you badly.
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You would like to see that? You would like to see a wife and children get raped and beheaded while her husband/their father watches? I think you've got a few (a fucking lot of) issues, dude.
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Phil Robertson is a genius.

Checkmate!

I'm sure if you put a real atheist through being raped and having his testicles and penis cut from him. As well as raping his entire family in front of him, and then beheading them. They'll be praying to someone or something! Mark my words! I'd like to see that! We would have tons of believers in God because they would get how it feels to live up to your own belief system and have it fail you badly.
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You would like to see that? You would like to see a wife and children get raped and beheaded while her husband/their father watches? I think you've got a few (a fucking lot of) issues, dude.
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Lol and you want to see this in the name of god. I can't even believe it. I'm astounded.
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Ok, now don't get mad... but I literally do this all the time, with everything! tomato

Ok, so I do understand that you are saying that I am pretty much making up my own definitions/terms...
I can't deny this... but, my point being, is that 'Gods Word' is all very open to interpretation, and therefore misinterpretation also.
 Quoting: Petrichor


No...not mad! With someone like you I don't get frustrated - I see that we'll likely not agree, but I find conversation with people like you very enriching!

Ok...yes, (always noting with respect), you are making up your own definitions and terms - this presupposes that you place a high level of confidence on your own wisdom...I think that a scary place to be given that all of us are totally depraved and broken when held against to the holiness and righteousness of God!

The awesome thing about God's Word, is that it *doesn't* need anyone to interpret it! God's Word interprets itself! When people "interpret" His Word, religions are born, denominations rise and perversion ensues! So I strong disagree that God's Word is open for interpretation!


It just doesn't make sense to me, why God would need or demand to be worshiped. That would require an ego.

Surely, a divine being, that was filled with light, love and good, wouldn't need to demand that people fall at his feet to make himself feel good...or get upset if they did not understand him.
And if he does... well, he just doesn't sound all that divine anymore. Sounds more like a dictator, or a grumpy human being! lol
 Quoting: jdb


Ok, this is another "telling" statement! You are relying upon your own interpretation of Who God Is and how He should behave! This is not our domain! Boil it down to its simplest terms - God Is...we're not! If "God Is" and "we're not", then all is on His terms! When one refuses to enter into a relationship with Him in a manner that is devoid of accepting Him on His terms, one exalts themselves above God...just like lucifer did when he rebelled! Interestingly, this drills down toward the deep part of the root of this particular sin where *we* decide that we are going to tell God "how the cow eats the cabbage"! That's the thing with God - absolute surrender!

Sorry - pushed the wrong button - will continue to answer - please give me a couple of minutes


Oh this is a whole new topic! lol ;)
In the example you gave (a child molester, or rapist), then I think there is something very wrong with the way their brain is working, and they have deep psychological issues. Yes, they may well need to be 'removed' as such, from society... and then helped, as you may someone with mental instability who may cause harm to others. There can still be love there. But then that is just a whole other issue, because I don't think we have got that right either!

Basically, I believe, that as a society, we are only as strong as our weakest individuals. Our job should be to perhaps isolate, (only when necessary), and then understand (through psychological, and biological studies), re-educate, inspire and attempt to rehabilitate our weakest, allowing them to hopefully reform into trusted and respected individuals, at which point they can rejoin society... their 'sentence' always being only as long as it takes.
-It is less about punishment and more about effective support and rebuilding what is broken.

So to me it is not about tolerating evil; it is about accepting what is not of love and trying to take responsibility for improving it, whilst not adding to, or worsening it.
 Quoting: Petrichor


I understand your compassion, but evil *must* be eradicated! There is no room for evil in God's presence; to wit, it is why we see the Hebrews *commanded* to slaughter blood lines! We don't see the entire picture...but God does! Ours is to decided whether we will fully accept that He Is Good, that He Is Wise and the He does Know best! If one cannot come to that kind of surrender, then one, in essence is still exalting themselves above The Most High God...just like lucifer did! Of course it is ok to question God when we don't understand His ways, but in the end, we will never fully understand or comprehend who He Is, What He's done and what He's doing now!

Love IS not a feeling! Love IS doing what is right regardless of the cost! There are feelings associated with love - but love is a choice!
 Quoting: jdb


I need to think about this definition of Love for a bit... you have confused me! chuckle

hf
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It's true! Love demands action and self-sacrifice!

What good is it for me to tell somebody that I love them and then do nothing to help them or bless them? What if somebody calls me for help, and after hearing their plea or request I simply tell them I love them but do nothing to help them - they will know I don't love them!

Jesus said:

John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."

The more you or I love somebody, the more you or I will give of ourselves to that person!

The greatest Commandment is this:

Mar 12:30-31 "And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these."

So you're right about love being supreme - but it's your definition of love that could use some tweeking!

we often hear the saying, "God Is Love"...but that is often stated in a context that negates other attributes of God's Holiness and Righteousness! Yes, God Is Love, but God Is also Righteous and Just - evil will be destroyed!

If you had the opportunity, would you spend the time and effort to try to "love" the devil back into righteousness and holiness?

You should answer "no" because the devil has crossed the point of no return! Just like Pharaoh did, you can read about it in Exodus where Pharaoh continuously hardened his heart..up and to the point where, finally, *God* hardened Pharaoh's heart! From that point on, Pharaoh was literally a "dead man walking"! He literally became a man "without" hope in the most absolute sense of the word!

The same hold's true for people today - every time a person rejects God, their heart becomes a little bit more hardened! This process can continue to the point where they, like Pharaoh, are literally dead men walking!
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The dumbass told the story that the family and the attacker were both atheists. People that do not believe in God are not demons or dont have moral judgements. What a dipshit! Religion is the cause of most wars! Religion is the cause of most deaths in the World AND in the past!!
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I understand your compassion, but evil *must* be eradicated! There is no room for evil in God's presence; to wit, it is why we see the Hebrews *commanded* to slaughter blood lines! We don't see the entire picture...but God does! Ours is to decided whether we will fully accept that He Is Good, that He Is Wise and the He does Know best! If one cannot come to that kind of surrender, then one, in essence is still exalting themselves above The Most High God...just like lucifer did! Of course it is ok to question God when we don't understand His ways, but in the end, we will never fully understand or comprehend who He Is, What He's done and what He's doing now!
 Quoting: jdb


Do you accept that this is also the same mindset as a terrorist?


If you had the opportunity, would you spend the time and effort to try to "love" the devil back into righteousness and holiness?
 Quoting: jdb


Dude... Yes, yes I certainly would try!
Because of all the reasons you have just given... and so many more.

You should answer "no" because the devil has crossed the point of no return! Just like Pharaoh did, you can read about it in Exodus where Pharaoh continuously hardened his heart..up and to the point where, finally, *God* hardened Pharaoh's heart! From that point on, Pharaoh was literally a "dead man walking"! He literally became a man "without" hope in the most absolute sense of the word!

The same hold's true for people today - every time a person rejects God, their heart becomes a little bit more hardened! This process can continue to the point where they, like Pharaoh, are literally dead men walking!
 Quoting: jdb


Except, it seems, that some people reject God, with softened hearts.
If they were rejecting 'Love', of course, that statement you made, would make perfect sense.

I don't believe there is a 'point of no return' for people. People have the amazing ability to make the most devastating 'falls' in life, and it is often these same people that reform into the most beautiful souls.

The 'devil' you talk of, does not exist to me. I don't believe pure evil exits. Just the fear of it. Which in itself is a failure to God.

I have a question for you...

If you believe in lucifer... in your own simple words... what is the difference between him and God, and both their demands?
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who watches this hillbilly shit?


Redneck retards with guns?


cruisecruisecruisecruise
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I watch it. The show has elements of profound Shakespearean humor and pathos. Duck Dynasty invokes the contradictory emotions of an American middle class family morphing into a global culture, while trying to maintain relevance and identity.

I did my Phd at Brown on Duck Dynasty. I was on a full academic scholarship, and presently have ten offers to teach at Ivy league universities.

I hope to meet Phil and catch a gator. He heard my story and we are working on incorporating this Ivy League grad students into the Duck Dynasty Story line. My salary should pay off my student loans.

Duck Dynasty is quite lucrative.
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Do you accept that this is also the same mindset as a terrorist?
 Quoting: Petrichor


No not exactly - you're totally out of context and using "circular reasoning" - would it be considered terrorism if I had the power to obliterate all terrorist...and then did so? If I could push a button and evaporate all people that behead others because they believe differently...would I be committing an act of evil?

If you had the opportunity, would you spend the time and effort to try to "love" the devil back into righteousness and holiness?
 Quoting: jdb


Dude... Yes, yes I certainly would try!
Because of all the reasons you have just given... and so many more.
 Quoting: Petrichor


He cannot be helped - he has passed the line of demarcation when it comes to life!

Except, it seems, that some people reject God, with softened hearts.
 Quoting: Petrichor


This highlights a difference - I choose to stand upon The Word of God - God's Word is clear that people harden their hearts...why should I contradict His Word?


If they were rejecting 'Love', of course, that statement you made, would make perfect sense.
 Quoting: Petrichor


But you yourself pointed out that God Is Love...yes?

I don't believe there is a 'point of no return' for people. People have the amazing ability to make the most devastating 'falls' in life, and it is often these same people that reform into the most beautiful souls.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Yes people fall far and then return - but try not to make the mistake of blurring the lines between falling and losing ones soul - again, God's Word is very clear that a line exists that can be crossed, once crossed, no hope!

The 'devil' you talk of, does not exist to me. I don't believe pure evil exits. Just the fear of it. Which in itself is a failure to God.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Sure..I get that's what you believe...but, WHY do you believe that? How can you or any finite being attribute failure to God?

I have a question for you...

If you believe in lucifer... in your own simple words... what is the difference between him and God, and both their demands?
 Quoting: Petrichor


Lucifer *was* the Covering arch angel - he was one of the highest ranking angels in Heaven until he chose pride and decided he wanted worship for himself! He was cast down and knows he has a limited time to destroy as many and as much as possible! Interestingly, he does not nor will *NOT* "rule" Hell - he will soon be bound for 1,000 years, after-which he will be cast into the lake of fire! The devil will suffer eternally - he will not reign anywhere!
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I was speaking truthfully about those kind of militant Christians who actually need a god who killed babies in the Bible, all the firstborn in Egypt, etc. to tell them right from wrong? LOL...glad they have the Babble cause no telling the shit they would do without the fear that their bad ass god would cut off their genitals and hang them up to dry.
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I respectfully point out that the truth of the matter is that you don't know what you're talking about! You don't know what you're talking about, most likely because you won't pick up The Bible and study it without bias! I can't say for sure, but when I run into people that are as hostile towards God, it usually means there's not a current opportunity to actually communicate on the matter!

I can say that when you stand before Jesus, you won't so much as lift your head to gaze upon His feet and you certainly won't bring an accusation against Him!

God Is Good and God Is Just - just because you don't understand how that is, it won't allow for an excuse when you stand before Him!

Jesus Is offering you eternal peace and blessing - most, because of pride and arrogance, will refuse His offering...and then spend eternity with a regret that is beyond human imagination!

You still have time left - choose wisely!
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there will never be a better source
than to speak your truth
or make your peace some other way.”
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Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare
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Do you accept that this is also the same mindset as a terrorist?
 Quoting: Petrichor


No not exactly - you're totally out of context and using "circular reasoning" - would it be considered terrorism if I had the power to obliterate all terrorist...and then did so? If I could push a button and evaporate all people that behead others because they believe differently...would I be committing an act of evil?

If you had the opportunity, would you spend the time and effort to try to "love" the devil back into righteousness and holiness?
 Quoting: jdb


Dude... Yes, yes I certainly would try!
Because of all the reasons you have just given... and so many more.
 Quoting: Petrichor


He cannot be helped - he has passed the line of demarcation when it comes to life!

Except, it seems, that some people reject God, with softened hearts.
 Quoting: Petrichor


This highlights a difference - I choose to stand upon The Word of God - God's Word is clear that people harden their hearts...why should I contradict His Word?


If they were rejecting 'Love', of course, that statement you made, would make perfect sense.
 Quoting: Petrichor


But you yourself pointed out that God Is Love...yes?

I don't believe there is a 'point of no return' for people. People have the amazing ability to make the most devastating 'falls' in life, and it is often these same people that reform into the most beautiful souls.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Yes people fall far and then return - but try not to make the mistake of blurring the lines between falling and losing ones soul - again, God's Word is very clear that a line exists that can be crossed, once crossed, no hope!

The 'devil' you talk of, does not exist to me. I don't believe pure evil exits. Just the fear of it. Which in itself is a failure to God.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Sure..I get that's what you believe...but, WHY do you believe that? How can you or any finite being attribute failure to God?

I have a question for you...

If you believe in lucifer... in your own simple words... what is the difference between him and God, and both their demands?
 Quoting: Petrichor


Lucifer *was* the Covering arch angel - he was one of the highest ranking angels in Heaven until he chose pride and decided he wanted worship for himself! He was cast down and knows he has a limited time to destroy as many and as much as possible! Interestingly, he does not nor will *NOT* "rule" Hell - he will soon be bound for 1,000 years, after-which he will be cast into the lake of fire! The devil will suffer eternally - he will not reign anywhere!
 Quoting: jdb


Hehe, I think we run the risk of going round in circles, or derailing this thread, if we carry on, much more. :)

Maybe we will not agree, on this right now... but it's been quite enjoyable debating with you. Thank you, for your time and input.

hugs
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"Duck Dynasty" patriarch Phil Robertson delivered a bizarre speech in which he created a hypothetical scenario about an atheist being forced to watch his "little atheist daughters" get raped and then having his penis hacked off and shown to him.

Read more: [link to www.rawstory.com]

wtf
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He is right, even if that bothers you, he is still right.

Evil is rewarded and victims are crucified. This is a topsy turvey world right now. You tell um Phil.

Phil Robertson for President.
Just because YOU don’t believe
in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No !

The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine

The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short!

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2


For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

"A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller

Checkd, Keked, and Rekt!

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Foremost, who the hell is anyone, anywhere, what gives them the fuckin' right to determine my spiritual belief? I am deeply spiritual man!

I have a profound belief in a governing life force to our universe. I don't know what he, she, it wants, desires, or how to even comprehend something as simple as infinity! Which by the way is represented mathematically as two loops feeding back into each other not a straight line heading into nothing.

How dare any "christian" or "muslim" or anyone tell me I'm hell bound based upon the silly notions they interpreted from some antiquated morality tale!

Embrace the colander of our lord pasta!

:God Jedi:
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laugh

Phil Rob masterfully trolls the fuck out of atheistards!

butthurt9

....and that butthurt is coming from direct penile inflitration.
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epiclol
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don't let the appearance fool you, phil is a very smart man.,
He might dress up like a troll so you don't take him seriously, then BAM.1rof1
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Do you accept that this is also the same mindset as a terrorist?
 Quoting: Petrichor


No not exactly - you're totally out of context and using "circular reasoning" - would it be considered terrorism if I had the power to obliterate all terrorist...and then did so? If I could push a button and evaporate all people that behead others because they believe differently...would I be committing an act of evil?

If you had the opportunity, would you spend the time and effort to try to "love" the devil back into righteousness and holiness?
 Quoting: jdb


Dude... Yes, yes I certainly would try!
Because of all the reasons you have just given... and so many more.
 Quoting: Petrichor


He cannot be helped - he has passed the line of demarcation when it comes to life!

Except, it seems, that some people reject God, with softened hearts.
 Quoting: Petrichor


This highlights a difference - I choose to stand upon The Word of God - God's Word is clear that people harden their hearts...why should I contradict His Word?


If they were rejecting 'Love', of course, that statement you made, would make perfect sense.
 Quoting: Petrichor


But you yourself pointed out that God Is Love...yes?

I don't believe there is a 'point of no return' for people. People have the amazing ability to make the most devastating 'falls' in life, and it is often these same people that reform into the most beautiful souls.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Yes people fall far and then return - but try not to make the mistake of blurring the lines between falling and losing ones soul - again, God's Word is very clear that a line exists that can be crossed, once crossed, no hope!

The 'devil' you talk of, does not exist to me. I don't believe pure evil exits. Just the fear of it. Which in itself is a failure to God.
 Quoting: Petrichor


Sure..I get that's what you believe...but, WHY do you believe that? How can you or any finite being attribute failure to God?

I have a question for you...

If you believe in lucifer... in your own simple words... what is the difference between him and God, and both their demands?
 Quoting: Petrichor


Lucifer *was* the Covering arch angel - he was one of the highest ranking angels in Heaven until he chose pride and decided he wanted worship for himself! He was cast down and knows he has a limited time to destroy as many and as much as possible! Interestingly, he does not nor will *NOT* "rule" Hell - he will soon be bound for 1,000 years, after-which he will be cast into the lake of fire! The devil will suffer eternally - he will not reign anywhere!
 Quoting: jdb


Hehe, I think we run the risk of going round in circles, or derailing this thread, if we carry on, much more. :)

Maybe we will not agree, on this right now... but it's been quite enjoyable debating with you. Thank you, for your time and input.

hugs
 Quoting: Petrichor


Agreed - Thank You for your time and thoughts!





GLP