‘Duck Dynasty’ star fantasizes about atheist family’s brutal rape and murder to make point about God’s law

My apologies - wrote out an answer and my screen froze...lost it - will respond in just a moment

No worries... I appreciate your time. :)

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... from OP's link ... would seem to be HUGE satire ...
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“’But you’re the one who says there is no God, there’s no right, there’s no wrong, so we’re just having fun. We’re sick in the head, have a nice day.’”

“If it happened to them, they probably would say, ‘Something about this just ain’t right,’” Robertson added.

I will be judged, but my sins have been paid for by Jesus' blood! My works will be judged, the good works will entail rewards and the bad works will be burnt in fire, so, I will suffer loss, but not punishment!

Regarding God's "behavior" - who's going to judge God's "behavior"? You? Me? A "created" being?

Much like the clay arguing with The Potter...absurd yes?

Re: "ego"? God does not have an "opinion" of Himself...God *knows* Himself!

Of course I believe it matters how I treat others - I am called to esteem others needs above my own!

I am also to be a good steward of what we are given!

I wouldn't want to go to that heaven

Well said

I forgot to answer the point regarding a lack of understanding! A lack of understanding will not suffice - check this out:

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Agreed....



I agree with what you're saying there - in my post I only wished to play devil's advocate and convey the sense that individuals throughout history have adopted an incredibly diverse and varied understanding of what constitutes 'transcendent values' stemming from a belief in 'God' or 'Gods' - therefore the presence of such a belief/perspective is no guarantee of a certain level of morality and ethical behavior. Just as the absence of a theological belief in a 'God' or 'Gods' provides no reliable means by which to predict a person's behavior...

On this subject matter I find myself in alignment with the perspective conveyed by author of this quote:

"Head, or intellectual belief, is not fundamental and causative, but it is superficial and consequent, and that it has no power in the moulding of a man's character, the most superficial observer may easily see. Take, for instance, half a dozen men from any creed. They not only hold the same theological belief, but confess the same articles of faith in every particular, and yet their characters are vastly different. One will be just as noble as another ignoble; one will be mild and gentle, another coarse and irascible; one will be honest, another dishonest; one will indulge certain habits which another will rigidly abjure, and so on, plainly indicating that theological belief is not an influential factor in a man's life. A man's theological belief is merely his intellectual opinion or view of the universe; God, the bible, etc, and behind and underneath this head-belief there lies, deeply rooted in his innermost being, the hidden, silent, secret belief of his heart, and it is this belief which moulds and makes his whole life. It is this which makes those six men who, whilst holding the same theology, are yet so vastly at variance in their deeds - they differ in the vital belief of the heart." ~ James Allen



Fair enough - I can understand that....



Yes it is....

Other factors that influence a person's behavior and sense of right/wrong aside from one's theological belief/perspective and overall state of Awareness would include psychological and environmental influences:

- effect of cultural and societal conditioning
- psychological influence of family/role-models from an early age
- trauma/abuse that was experienced at a young age

There is short documentary on youtube titled 'Child Of Rage' which is an excellent example of how traumatic experiences can significantly shape and impact a child's later behavior. A outsider looking in who was unfamiliar with that child's past experiences might be quick to label her 'evil' - but as the documentary displayed, she was able to completely change her state of being with the aid and support of some compassionate therapy and care...

Although this was a very extreme way of illustrating this the point he was trying to make is This .

An Atheist has no real sense of right or wrong . To them it's all about " do what thou Wilt "

BRB

and he calls himself a Christian.

You are an idiot. Most atheists have higher morals than Christians. This is exactly why countries that don't have a prominence of Christians have a lower crime rate, lower divorce rate, less people in prison, a higher standard of living and lower teenage pregnancy rate. Christians make up 75 percent of the prison population in USA. Christians have a higher divorce rate. What about all the greedy and hate filled Christers everywhere? If they had some Holy Spirit living in them, why do we see so much crime and poverty in America?

Absurd!

Check out Matt 7:21-23

Ok I'm sorry, but I still don't understand, so to clarify:
What is God to you?

Why would God need you to believe in him?



Well, this meaning just depends on your definition of 'God'.
To me this just says:
It is plain to see that this universe, this world, and nature, are divine and miraculous, and should therefore be loved; and that we should gratefully be respectful to all life. Also... if we do not accept that as true; then we will suffer the consequences of our own actions... we will be foolish to forget that we are essentially here to evolve into something beneficial to others; something beneficial to the whole.

DNC bate thread, next up chick filet and the gay ramblings

Yeah, but Christians have prettier women. Have you ever met a female atheist? Ugh!

Ok - give me a minute to answer now

Ok...so I have a greater appreciation for your heart!

You're position, as noble as it sounds, *totally* misses the point!

"my" definition of God is also "pointless", and this highlights "the whole" point!

It's simple..."God" "Is"!

If one can accept that "God Is", then the most logical conclusion is that "all" is on His terms...period!

We don't like that "period" I used for emphasis at the end of the statement! We don't like it because *we* want mastery over our world, our selves our destiny, our _______, fill in the blank! We exalt our sense of reason, our ideals and our desires over God's will and design! In short, "we want what we want, when we want it and the way we want it!" And if we can't have "that", then we'll put all our effort into trying to overturn God's will, even if it results in a token impact just to be able to say, "we did!"

For example, your comment is telling:

you said, "we will be foolish to forget that we are essentially here to evolve into something beneficial to others; something beneficial to the world"

While on the surface such a drive seems noble, it is just a (not being uncouth) bastardization of God's Truth as He presented it, for example, God said, "Do unto others...", so why not just accept and apply what God has already taught?

You rightly recognize Divinity when you state:

"It is plain to see that this universe, this world, and nature, are divine and miraculous, and should therefore be loved; and that we should gratefully be respectful to all life. Also... if we do not accept that as true; then we will suffer the consequences of our own actions..."

Again, noble sounding position, except when one compares it with what God has said and done! YES, what God has done with the Universe, world and nature is a Divine miracle - a miracle that we should be overwhelmingly grateful for, but, we are called to love God and (with gratitude) steward this world! We *are* to be respectful to all life...so, why not just teach what God has taught us as opposed to placing your own bent on it? In essence, you take from God's hand what He is freely giving, but instead of taking with a grateful heart and glorifying Him by giving Him credit...you "take", put your own spin on it all the while ignoring Him!

See what I'm getting at here?

phil dreams of getting his hipster beard cum drenched

this family of inbreeded idiots has to get shaved off their taliban beards.
All of them look like TERRORISTs!

Hunting ducks is a sport, producing duck-pipes is a job.

This shitty wannabe-real-live-SOAP is nothing more than to attract the nerves of some stupids thatg dont know how to PREPPER!
These retards shown in "Duck Dynasty" are actors!
Do you believe a person that has clear conciousness would act like they do?

All staged and fabricated! SORRY for the USA-idiots, get a LIFE!

Ok it's just a minor point but you changed my quote from "beneficial to the whole"; to " beneficial to the world".


How am I ignoring 'God' if I recognize the divine in everything, and I love it all?

And you are asking me to just blindly accept, give credit to, and teach the word of 'God', through someone else's definition; one that is not true to my own heart?

Is that what you fantasize about - Atheists having terrible things happen to them? Wow.

He probably got the idea from the Old Testament. There's a lot of material there.

Take words out of context, then make a mountain out of a ant hill, through faux outrage. Passive-aggression at its finest.

This is from Portlandia

You just don't know how a real man acts because you are a sissy man. Sorry you didn't have a daddy, and momma raised you to be a feminist, but shit, come down to Louisiana. We'll teach you to hunt gators and appreciate pretty women who cook real good.

My apologies on changing your wording - no ill intent involved, please forgive me, I'll try to be more careful!

One can ignore God by taking His teachings (absolutely stated with respect and consideration and without a judgmental heart) and bending them to better suit their bias! For example, it is a good thing that you recognize The Divine in everything, and I believe you when you say that you love it all...*yes*...that's *good*! But it's not enough! Check out this passage:

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

The last part of that verse is what I'd like to highlight - serving the creation rather than the Creator!

If one has a deep seated appreciation and gratitude for what they witness in creation, is it not a more reasonable and responsible response to exalt and worship The Creator? Does not The One, that through His creation, elicits such gratitude in your heart deserve *all* the praise and glory?

As for asking you to blindly accept, give credit and teach His Word, ESPECIALLY through someone else's definition?

(not yelling)

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

THAT is a *critical* point! I'm not asking you do to anything *unreasonable*! In fact in the Book of Isaiah God makes a call for *reason*!

Isa 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

God Himself does *not* ask you to take anything on blind faith! This is a faith that *DEMANDS* reason!

Far too often, people make assumptions about faith that pigeon hole it as unreasonable! Given all of history, faith in man is unreasonable! But God IS Faithful! But then we're back to the pinnacle of the problem...*we* don't want to exercise faith...we don't like it! It goes against every fleshly fiber in our being! We simple don't want to live by faith! However, whether we like it or not...doesn't change God's design!

God did this! Think about it for a second! In it's simplest terms..."God did this'! God set this world up the way He set it up! And *nothing* is going to change that fact! So instead of kicking against the goads, why not "surrender" to God, to His design and find out what life is like living for God? There really are only two choices - worship of self or worshiping God! There are no other options!

So, that's a long winded way of saying, all is either on God's terms or our terms! Who is wiser - God or us?

God Is never changing - He does not change!

Jesus did not come to destroy The Law, but to fulfill it!

The only separation between the Old and New Testaments is the covenants we were/are under!

Sorry - I had to sleep on it. This is going a little off topic but I will try to bring it back... here are my thoughts:



See to me... the 'creature' could be the individual, and the 'creator' again, could be within the whole/natural world.

I just don't understand why, God would need or demand us to serve and worship him.

It makes more sense to me that he would want us to worship all parts equally, because he is in everything; rather than one individual concept or being.



I am using reason to try to understand, and that is where the problem is.
When reasoning makes no sense, you tell me to use faith; but when I ask you, if you want me to use blind faith, you say "absolutely not". So then I must reason... and we are going around in circles.



But there is another option...
There are some beautifully ethical, moral people out there who do not believe, worship or understand 'God'.
They do not behave out of fear of punishment, (which is essentially self-absorbed)... and so neither do they worship themselves...
Instead, they can see the divine in everything, and everyone... they realize that they are simply a tiny part of something, much bigger than themselves... and so they worship only everything, and therefore do not wish to cause harm, they just try for love and balance.



But everything is on God's term anyway. There is nothing else...

I do have faith.
I have faith that a God who is good; is also just enough to know the essence of each human heart, and spirit, without needing their worship.

And to bring us back on topic...

It is not about choosing between him and us... his wisdom is an innate knowledge, within us all; a moral code based on love. And by putting any one thing on a pedestal, could stop to access it. Morality only makes sense, when the whole is worshiped, and love transcends completely.
Without this, we risk wrongdoing in the name of 'God'.
Which, in turn would be ungodly and unrighteous.