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So how long till the Putin-Merkel-Hollande deal falls apart?

 
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Notice the two "enemies" are both wearing red ties...
and Merkel and Hollande are both wearing blue... looks
like the red team and blue team. lol

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right: Merkel and Hollande were the "mediators" (it was a dispute settlement session).

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I'd give it about a week of peace.
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You know that famous photo [now also a statue in from of Livadia Palace]
of the "Big Three" sitting in a row... they were all sitting because of FDR.

Something about that photo reminds me of Rev 16.

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The Feb 12 date is associated with Putin.

I doubt that was a coincidence.

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And now its friday the 13th, big weekend ahead.
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Not even going to make it to the day it is supposed to be implemented... *shugs* the way the meeting went on it was pretty obvious no real tangible agreement has been made.. just so unsigned hot air to make it seem like they are doing something, peace in our times version 2..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


yes. the famous Neville Chamberlain declaration, when he
returned from Munich, having "Appeased" Hitler, where Chamberlain
proclaimed to the British People: "Peace in our time."

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Well both where named after cities with an M in them, what are the chances of that?.... Minsk/Munich.. besides Nato moaning from Munich during the process certainly gave it that air of authentic false hope of "peace in our times"
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And they had a conference in Munich several days ago as well..

The parallels between Minsk and Munich are insane! With Russia=Germany, Ukraine=Czechoslovakia

@andersostlund: Minsk II doesn't mention Crimea so EU's and the US' talk about not changing borders by force etc is not worth much. Munich -38 part II.
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All in all it gives that air a far to uncomfortable feeling as to where this is heading.

Grew up during the cold war, never felt the kind of certainty about a potential global conflict as I do now..

never quite felt it was possible, a clash of ideologies while dangerous didn't feel anywhere near as a dangerous as this fracturing in the balance of power, amid significant social turmoil in the midst of a deepening economic crisis..

Kind of feeling, ducks in a line for another great war.
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Putin doesn't conduct war in the traditional sense.

His war is more asymmetrical.

But when he is tired of playing global chess games...
and is finally ready to stand up... watch out !

In his autobiography, when asked about threatening enemies,
Putin said he would hit first and hit so hard his enemy would
not be able to respond.


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Putin doesn't conduct war in the traditional sense.

His war is more asymmetrical.

But when he is tired of playing global chess games...
and is finally ready to stand up... watch out !

In his autobiography, when asked about threatening enemies,
Putin said he would hit first and hit so hard his enemy would
not be able to respond.


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Just out of curiosity what do you mean by asymmetrical?

I ask as all war tends to be asymmetrical. Napoleon famously wrote "the Elephant Vs the whale" in reference to France vs Britain.. Longbowmen vs Knights, Cavarly vs pikemen, tanks vs trenches, men vs mustard gas.. War is by its very nature asymmetrical.
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I have an idea what kind of asymmetrical war
Putin is conducting in Ukraine... but it's too
premature to discuss.

One thing that amuses me. Russian propaganda
calls Kiev, Nazis... Kiev calls, Putin, Hitler.

I keep going back to the date...Feb 12... and the
17 moments of spring... I think that may be a clue.

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I have an idea what kind of asymmetrical war
Putin is conducting in Ukraine... but it's too
premature to discuss.

One thing that amuses me. Russian propaganda
calls Kiev, Nazis... Kiev calls, Putin, Hitler.

I keep going back to the date...Feb 12... and the
17 moments of spring... I think that may be a clue.

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thanks for the reply..

Personally what I see happening seems to follow the outline in the Russia textbook "foundations of geopolitics" but that is my reading of the text book and what is happening in the world at the moment, could be a coincidence.. but somehow.. anyway, it seems to early to really say one way or the other..
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Just out of curiosity what do you mean by asymmetrical?


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"asymmetrical warfare" is the new campy term to describe
unconventional warfare methods. in the old days
it use to be called "guerrilla warfare", but in these
modern times all sorts of new creative means of "waging war" have emerged,
so so the term "asymmetrical warfare" encompasses all that sort.

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@Holy Cow!_33

Yes, good definition.

In his autobiography, Putin said he wanted to join the KGB
from his youth because he was greatly influenced by fictional
spy novels and films. One of the most famous was the TV series,
17 Moments of Spring, which is about a Soviet/Nazi double-agent's
activities beginning on Feb 12 and ending on March 24, 1945.

Same time period we are in now... 70 years later.

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Just out of curiosity what do you mean by asymmetrical?


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"asymmetrical warfare" is the new campy term to describe
unconventional warfare methods. in the old days
it use to be called "guerrilla warfare", but in these
modern times all sorts of new creative means of "waging war" have emerged,
so so the term "asymmetrical warfare" encompasses all that sort.

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


New campy term, I like that *thumbs up* I hear the term bandied around and tend to ask for qualification, as it seems some, perhaps not the poster I was responding to think it is some new form of warfare, rather that it simply is a new term for the way nations/groups/tribes seek an edge in the way they wage war against each other.

Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict we could actually consider symmetrical? as they all seem to fit into that category of asymmetrical..
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@Holy Cow!_33

Yes, good definition.

In his autobiography, Putin said he wanted to join the KGB
from his youth because he was greatly influenced by fictional
spy novels and films. One of the most famous was the TV series,
17 Moments of Spring, which is about a Soviet/Nazi double-agent's
activities beginning on Feb 12 and ending on March 24, 1945.

Same time period we are in now... 70 years later.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57409907


Interesting insights, thanks... I will have to seek out his book and those references :) *thumbs up*
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AC posted:

" Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict
we could actually consider symmetrical? "
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If any man can pull one off... Putin can.
We may be in for a very big surprise.

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Wiki's "Seventeen Moments of Spring" mentions Putin

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Just out of curiosity what do you mean by asymmetrical?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


"asymmetrical warfare" is the new campy term to describe
unconventional warfare methods. in the old days
it use to be called "guerrilla warfare", but in these
modern times all sorts of new creative means of "waging war" have emerged,
so so the term "asymmetrical warfare" encompasses all that sort.

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


New campy term, I like that *thumbs up* I hear the term bandied around and tend to ask for qualification, as it seems some, perhaps not the poster I was responding to think it is some new form of warfare, rather that it simply is a new term for the way nations/groups/tribes seek an edge in the way they wage war against each other.

Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict we could actually consider symmetrical? as they all seem to fit into that category of asymmetrical..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


WW2 was totally "symmetrical" and conventional (and even chivalrous)... WW1 was very messy and horrifying because
of all the poison gas (the tank and machine gun were also introduced)....

War is Grand... :)

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AC posted:

" Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict
we could actually consider symmetrical? "
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If any man can pull one off... Putin can.
We may be in for a very big surprise.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57409907


Well, I am not pro-any one side... just my families :) but have always had a deep interest in tactics, weapons, history.. don't tend to get bogged down in debate as we all see different sides..

But I do like to listen to other peoples points of view, as it always expands the minds horizons.. can't say I have seen a grand master in Putin, but then I don't see one in any of his peers either..

Some might say, and perhaps rightly, like Chamberlain the bar has been set very low by some leaders at the moment.. which is why I find myself feeling rightly concerned about the era we are in and the outcomes that are in front of us.
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Here is related Wiki info.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Notice the real name of the Soviet/Nazi double-agent
is similar to Putin's name.

More interesting still... Putin was the name of the
political officer who was killed at the beginning of
the movie, "Hunt for Red October." The music score
for that part of the movie is called, "Putin's Demise."

Uncanny how sometimes art imitates life and vice versa.

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When can we expect Doom to be back on the schedule?.. I'm betting April at the latest...Thoughts?
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go fu_k urself war monger
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Just out of curiosity what do you mean by asymmetrical?


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"asymmetrical warfare" is the new campy term to describe
unconventional warfare methods. in the old days
it use to be called "guerrilla warfare", but in these
modern times all sorts of new creative means of "waging war" have emerged,
so so the term "asymmetrical warfare" encompasses all that sort.

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


New campy term, I like that *thumbs up* I hear the term bandied around and tend to ask for qualification, as it seems some, perhaps not the poster I was responding to think it is some new form of warfare, rather that it simply is a new term for the way nations/groups/tribes seek an edge in the way they wage war against each other.

Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict we could actually consider symmetrical? as they all seem to fit into that category of asymmetrical..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


WW2 was totally "symmetrical" and conventional (and even chivalrous)... WW1 was very messy and horrifying because
of all the poison gas (the tank and machine gun were also introduced)....

War is Grand... :)

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


WW2 Symmetrical? Blitzkrieg? Biplane torpedo bombers vs battleships? air warfare in general (biplanes to jet fighters) movable harbours, the battle of the beams, Pluto, nuclear weapons, earthquake bombs, bouncing bombs.. the list of advances that continuously changed the dynamics of the war make it seem hardly symmetrical in nature.. more a beast of change we should really fear as the next one would probably increase the pace of advances and changes..

But then that is my interpretation of asymmetrical, which is a new tactic or weapon that changes the battlefield.. the British square vs the French Calvary would in my mind would be asymmetrical.. a Chariot vs foot soldiers would also be asymmetrical, a swarm of powerboats vs a Modern Frigate would also be asymmetrical.

As I say, that is how I view it...
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"asymmetrical warfare" is the new campy term to describe
unconventional warfare methods. in the old days
it use to be called "guerrilla warfare", but in these
modern times all sorts of new creative means of "waging war" have emerged,
so so the term "asymmetrical warfare" encompasses all that sort.

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


New campy term, I like that *thumbs up* I hear the term bandied around and tend to ask for qualification, as it seems some, perhaps not the poster I was responding to think it is some new form of warfare, rather that it simply is a new term for the way nations/groups/tribes seek an edge in the way they wage war against each other.

Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict we could actually consider symmetrical? as they all seem to fit into that category of asymmetrical..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


WW2 was totally "symmetrical" and conventional (and even chivalrous)... WW1 was very messy and horrifying because
of all the poison gas (the tank and machine gun were also introduced)....

War is Grand... :)

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


WW2 Symmetrical? Blitzkrieg? Biplane torpedo bombers vs battleships? air warfare in general (biplanes to jet fighters) movable harbours, the battle of the beams, Pluto, nuclear weapons, earthquake bombs, bouncing bombs.. the list of advances that continuously changed the dynamics of the war make it seem hardly symmetrical in nature.. more a beast of change we should really fear as the next one would probably increase the pace of advances and changes..

But then that is my interpretation of asymmetrical, which is a new tactic or weapon that changes the battlefield.. the British square vs the French Calvary would in my mind would be asymmetrical.. a Chariot vs foot soldiers would also be asymmetrical, a swarm of powerboats vs a Modern Frigate would also be asymmetrical.

As I say, that is how I view it...
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well, i was just saying that it was fought in a very orderly and predicable fashion,
and the officers respected oneanother, and stuff like that.

the term "asymetrical warfare" has more to do with cunning and stealth in new imaginative ways.

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New campy term, I like that *thumbs up* I hear the term bandied around and tend to ask for qualification, as it seems some, perhaps not the poster I was responding to think it is some new form of warfare, rather that it simply is a new term for the way nations/groups/tribes seek an edge in the way they wage war against each other.

Always wondered if there has ever been a conflict we could actually consider symmetrical? as they all seem to fit into that category of asymmetrical..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


WW2 was totally "symmetrical" and conventional (and even chivalrous)... WW1 was very messy and horrifying because
of all the poison gas (the tank and machine gun were also introduced)....

War is Grand... :)

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


WW2 Symmetrical? Blitzkrieg? Biplane torpedo bombers vs battleships? air warfare in general (biplanes to jet fighters) movable harbours, the battle of the beams, Pluto, nuclear weapons, earthquake bombs, bouncing bombs.. the list of advances that continuously changed the dynamics of the war make it seem hardly symmetrical in nature.. more a beast of change we should really fear as the next one would probably increase the pace of advances and changes..

But then that is my interpretation of asymmetrical, which is a new tactic or weapon that changes the battlefield.. the British square vs the French Calvary would in my mind would be asymmetrical.. a Chariot vs foot soldiers would also be asymmetrical, a swarm of powerboats vs a Modern Frigate would also be asymmetrical.

As I say, that is how I view it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67877502


well, i was just saying that it was fought in a very orderly and predicable fashion,
and the officers respected oneanother, and stuff like that.

the term "asymetrical warfare" has more to do with cunning and stealth in new imaginative ways.

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 Quoting: Holy Cow!_33


I see.. no problems, thanks for the clarity :) always good to hear/read other peoples thoughts on these things..

Just a shame we seem to be heading for another conflict..

It is hard to feel we where so close to peace, and now so far from it, 2 years ago the Pres of Ukraine was looking forward to being in the EU, a year ago Russia was hoping British troops would be taking Russian weapons on their adventure and now everyone is facing off..

*throws hands up in the air" this world is thoroughly mad..
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Are we there yet ?

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Are we there yet ?

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they're waiting to see if Obama defies Merkel.

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Over US weapons to Kiev ??


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Are we there yet ?

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