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The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

 
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It is actually possible to be friends with an enemy of a friend.
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Yes. But you often find yourself in the middle. Which is a very uncomfortable place to find oneself.
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it is
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Often times in such a case, one or both 'sides' will challenge your loyalty to them.

If one chooses not to take a side, often it results in loss of both.
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Re: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
and in this case as it turns out he is also your enemy.
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Re: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Using the example of cancer, could cancer ever be considered a friend...
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In my opinion, no
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What if cancer is the bodies way of localizing toxicity and it's spread is solely user ignorance or that of a guardian dependant on age.
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Using the example of cancer, could cancer ever be considered a friend...
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In my opinion, no
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yes

With that said then cancer could not be considered in the pretext of this thread.
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Re: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Could it also be considered then that, The enemy of my friend is my enemy...

Be just another way of looking at it?
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Yeah, it sounds like another way of looking at it I think

If my friend has an enemy, and it is a problem and he/she asks for help, then i suppose it is now also my problem?
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It seems to work that way in many aspects of society and personal and interpersonal relationships.

Even if the 'enemy' be just a group defined thought form.

Like say, opposing teams.

Fans of Team A group themselves as do fans of Team B.

If your friend likes Team A, then you are more likely to also like Team A, often due location, and in that hold a common force you oppose.

Bit of a rough example. Hope that makes sense.


Gang wars of the 90's Bloods/Crips come to call as well.

Us vs. Them essentially.
 Quoting: Seer777


That's a good example

Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips

you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time
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Yes. Exactly.

How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same?

In the above example it was based on Red/Blue.
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It's much like propaganda.As propaganda depends on exaggeration to create a polarizing divide based on a truth so perniciously devoid of logic it cannot be argued.

But, creates camps, as minds seek to find balance on a slippery slope.

Friends and enemies are solely temporal direction.

Cheers
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Good afternoon. :)

Man is rather subject to both exaggeration and elaboration.


I was reading earlier than Brian Williams lied about being on a helicopter which now calls all his 'reporting' into question.

He lied to improve the story? For what purpose but to buoy ratings? His own career? Make the story more exciting?

I find it interesting that once a lie is uncovered, it calls everything about someone into question.

Reminds...
[link to i.imgur.com]
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You give what you get, perception aside. Think of a lie as misdirection or a sound damper. Either way you stray from the path or are deafened for a time.

cheers

afternoon to you too
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Re: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Using the example of cancer, could cancer ever be considered a friend...
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In my opinion, no
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yes

With that said then cancer could not be considered in the pretext of this thread.
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As I already mentioned in the OP then again on the prior pages, I utilize The War on Cancer' as a common enemy/threat that mankind unites to fight.

See here:

Firstly, how true is this statement? In general. Throughout history? In your own life? Have you ever formed bonds with another based strictly on sharing a common enemy? Have you found it to be advantageous or detrimental?

Is this tendency to group against a perceived common enemy, form the basis or foundation of much human grouping?

For example..War on Cancer.


I utilized 'Cancer' as an example of what could be considered a common enemy of Mankind and one Man unites against to defeat.


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I utilized 'Cancer' as an example of what could be considered a common enemy of Mankind and one Man unites against to defeat.

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Death is all consuming.
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Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ?
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Yeah, it sounds like another way of looking at it I think

If my friend has an enemy, and it is a problem and he/she asks for help, then i suppose it is now also my problem?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204


It seems to work that way in many aspects of society and personal and interpersonal relationships.

Even if the 'enemy' be just a group defined thought form.

Like say, opposing teams.

Fans of Team A group themselves as do fans of Team B.

If your friend likes Team A, then you are more likely to also like Team A, often due location, and in that hold a common force you oppose.

Bit of a rough example. Hope that makes sense.


Gang wars of the 90's Bloods/Crips come to call as well.

Us vs. Them essentially.
 Quoting: Seer777


That's a good example

Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips

you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204


Yes. Exactly.

How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same?

In the above example it was based on Red/Blue.
 Quoting: Seer777


If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier.

In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement.

In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe).

I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct.
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It's much like propaganda.As propaganda depends on exaggeration to create a polarizing divide based on a truth so perniciously devoid of logic it cannot be argued.

But, creates camps, as minds seek to find balance on a slippery slope.

Friends and enemies are solely temporal direction.

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


Good afternoon. :)

Man is rather subject to both exaggeration and elaboration.


I was reading earlier than Brian Williams lied about being on a helicopter which now calls all his 'reporting' into question.

He lied to improve the story? For what purpose but to buoy ratings? His own career? Make the story more exciting?

I find it interesting that once a lie is uncovered, it calls everything about someone into question.

Reminds...
[link to i.imgur.com]
 Quoting: Seer777


You give what you get, perception aside. Think of a lie as misdirection or a sound damper. Either way you stray from the path or are deafened for a time.

cheers

afternoon to you too
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


'Sound damper'. That's clever.

:)
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Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ?
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Is Death the enemy of Life?

And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death?

I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard.
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I utilized 'Cancer' as an example of what could be considered a common enemy of Mankind and one Man unites against to defeat.

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Death is all consuming.
 Quoting: Suutari


If it were there would be no life. Transience and perspective unfettered by the pinion of defined personality.

transmogrification.

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That's a good example

Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips

you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204


Yes. Exactly.

How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same?

In the above example it was based on Red/Blue.
 Quoting: Seer777


If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier.

In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement.

In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe).

I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67806333


I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses.

On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts.

Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why?

Would I approach either based completely on their attire?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Re: The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Have alot of enemies do ya ?
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No. Do you?


This thread is exploration of a concept and how it permeates Mankind's reasoning and behavior...

3 Laws of Thought

1. Law of identity: "Whatever is, is."
2. Law of noncontradiction: "Nothing can both be and not be."
3. Law of excluded middle: "Everything must either be or not be."

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1. Wrong, try again...
2. Wrong, must try harder...
3. Wrong, must try harder...
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Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ?
 Quoting: Suutari


Is Death the enemy of Life?

And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death?

I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard.
 Quoting: Seer777


Generally speaking, death is neither friend or foe to life, but it is an expression of a state of life (or rather, ceasing to live).
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Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ?
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Is Death the enemy of Life?

And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death?

I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard.
 Quoting: Seer777


Generally speaking, death is neither friend or foe to life, but it is an expression of a state of life (or rather, ceasing to live).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67806333


Recalls...


The Law of Excluded Middle


For example, if P is the proposition:

Socrates is mortal.


then the law of excluded middle holds that the logical disjunction:

Either Socrates is mortal, or it is not the case that Socrates is mortal.

is true by virtue of its form alone. That is, the "middle" position, that Socrates is neither mortal nor not-mortal, is excluded by logic, and therefore either the first possibility (Socrates is mortal) or its negation (it is not the case that Socrates is mortal) must be true.
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That's a good example

Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips

you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204


Yes. Exactly.

How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same?

In the above example it was based on Red/Blue.
 Quoting: Seer777


If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier.

In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement.

In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe).

I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67806333


I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses.

On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts.

Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why?

Would I approach either based completely on their attire?
 Quoting: Seer777


In such a situation it would depend on you, your intent, your preconceptions and beliefs, intuition and observing behavior and body language. Ultimately though, the decision to engage or interact with someone is an individual one.
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Yes. Exactly.

How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same?

In the above example it was based on Red/Blue.
 Quoting: Seer777


If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier.

In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement.

In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe).

I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67806333


I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses.

On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts.

Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why?

Would I approach either based completely on their attire?
 Quoting: Seer777


In such a situation it would depend on you, your intent, your preconceptions and beliefs, intuition and observing behavior and body language. Ultimately though, the decision to engage or interact with someone is an individual one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67806333


Yes it is.

How to respond to the push to interact when pulled away due to the forces that oppose...

Whatever those 'forces' may be.
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"Enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an uncompetitive loser's strategy. Something you resort to when you know you can't win but just refuse to die honorably. It's one step above plugging your ears and screaming "KARMA -- WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND", right before your taller, smarter, more physically attractive opponent splits your skull wide open with a warhammer.
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Decision making is a balancing act...positive and negative outcomes vs. the road unseen vs. the most likely known possibilities.

Yeah, life is complicated.
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Imaginary cats in imaginary boxes... imho, this is floccinaucinihilipilification.

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"Enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an uncompetitive loser's strategy. Something you resort to when you know you can't win but just refuse to die honorably. It's one step above plugging your ears and screaming "KARMA -- WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND", right before your taller, smarter, more physically attractive opponent splits your skull wide open with a warhammer.
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I don't think you thought through that very well at all.

I think there is a GOOD reason the proverb goes back to 4 BCE.

Especially, in the sense of warfare.
The idea that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" functioned in various guises as foreign policy by Allied powers during the Second World War. In Europe, tension was common between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Despite their inherent differences, they recognized a need to work together to meet the threat of Nazi aggression, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler.


Both U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were wary of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Stalin. However, both developed policies with an understanding that Soviet cooperation was necessary for the Allied war effort to succeed...

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Is Death the enemy of Life?

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Either that or the friend of life. There is no middle ground in the matter.
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I am female. And getting ready to go have drinks with friends.


Thanks for the conversation for those who provided.

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend...


At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship.

At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone.

Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend...


At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship.

At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone.

Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result.
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Yes, assuming all parties involved are human.

The OP stepped outside of that assumption and personalized non life as an enemy.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend...


At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship.

At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone.

Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result.
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Yes, assuming all parties involved are human.

The OP stepped outside of that assumption and personalized non life as an enemy.
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I see. If that is the case then non-life equals nothing.
And nothing, is... everything.
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an uneasy and temporary truce
can sometimes become friendship

though the cause would not be a common enemy
but recognition of another kind
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A Friend of my friend is my friend!
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yeah^





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