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There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.

 
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There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu

An important part of many types of meditation is the understanding of annica which can be translated as "change, impermanence, or this too will pass".

If you can know this rather than think it, it can break down all barriers. Knowing is without verbalization. Thinking is with verbalization. See if you can notice the difference...

Good luck.

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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu


and yet he spoke this, whether in writing or in speech it has been spoken, or communicated.

so how paradoxically can you know that what was spoken was truth?
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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
If you can know this rather then think it, it can break down all barriers. Knowing is without verbalization. Thinking is with verbalization. See if you can notice the difference...

perhaps there is a moving past verbalization in writing ones thoughts rather than voicing them... but i am just freethinking, and free writing.

the problem with verbalizing things is that i then have to try and convince myself that the things i say are true.

with writing, i can be more free of myself. i can transcribe what the mind sees without the mouth needing to be convinced of the mind.
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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu


and yet he spoke this, whether in writing or in speech it has been spoken, or communicated.

so how paradoxically can you know that what was spoken was truth?
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Because this is a metaphor. It doesn't mean those who talk about what they know, have no ideA, and those that don't, do. It specifically means what I wrote above about the difference between the two in meditation. Anyone can quickly see the difference just by trying.

The key is to "convince" the mind that all is impermanent. I believe knowing can do this but thinking cannot because thought is a part of the mind.
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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
but yes, now lets not talk about it because it's knowing that we enjoy more than trying to push knowing onto the unready.
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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
and there is a difference between meditation and contemplation
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Re: There is an important difference between thought and knowing in meditation.
“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu


and yet he spoke this, whether in writing or in speech it has been spoken, or communicated.

so how paradoxically can you know that what was spoken was truth?
 Quoting: theblueprince


Because this is a metaphor. It doesn't mean those who talk about what they know, have no ideA, and those that don't, do. It specifically means what I wrote above about the difference between the two in meditation. Anyone can quickly see the difference just by trying.

The key is to "convince" the mind that all is impermanent. I believe knowing can do this but thinking cannot because thought is a part of the mind.
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mind is one with all truly and needs no convincing of what things are, shall be or ever were.

the key is to convince the brain into compliance.





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