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Mr. NorM
(OP) User ID: 46322755 United States 01/30/2015 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do not care if I am seen as a madman, at least, we should all try something, instead of being inactive and complacent, lest we find ourselves to more bondage and slavery. Quoting: ParadoxMind Also For Change. Agreed maybe one day we will meet and have a drink to our accomplishments. Last Edited by Mr. NorM on 01/30/2015 11:37 AM Married to a ginger |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58799733 United States 01/30/2015 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do not care if I am seen as a madman, at least, we should all try something, instead of being inactive and complacent, lest we find ourselves to more bondage and slavery. Quoting: ParadoxMind Also For Change. Agreed maybe one day we will meet and have a drink to our accomplishments. If I am ever found to be in MA again (happened on a post of yours) I probably will have gone mad! |
Ted Nougat User ID: 62993873 United States 01/30/2015 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, what do you want us to say? I am aware of it, and I agree on a spiritual level, but we are definitely not born equal in the eyes of men. Quoting: ParadoxMind Change will not come from that piece of paper. It is old and like you said, forgotten. We ALL must begin to look to our hearts if there will ever be real, good change. You don't have to say anything. I agree with what you said. Who will be the next Sam Adams? There is no suggestion in the text that men are "born equal." The Founders never put forth that notion. We are EQUALLY ENDOWED - regardless of our lot in life or our abilities - with certain Unalienable Rights, because there is a God who created Man. Therefore, Government exists to protect and secure these Rights as there is one HIGHER than earthly governments to whom we answer. The Founders knew what they were talking about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58799733 United States 01/30/2015 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, what do you want us to say? I am aware of it, and I agree on a spiritual level, but we are definitely not born equal in the eyes of men. Quoting: ParadoxMind Change will not come from that piece of paper. It is old and like you said, forgotten. We ALL must begin to look to our hearts if there will ever be real, good change. You don't have to say anything. I agree with what you said. Who will be the next Sam Adams? There is no suggestion in the text that men are "born equal." The Founders never put forth that notion. We are EQUALLY ENDOWED - regardless of our lot in life or our abilities - with certain Unalienable Rights, because there is a God who created Man. Therefore, Government exists to protect and secure these Rights as there is one HIGHER than earthly governments to whom we answer. The Founders knew what they were talking about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66852364 Puerto Rico 01/30/2015 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.archives.gov] Quoting: Mr. NorM We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness <50% I remember wise words too.... klatu ferrata niktu! and Anal nathra ushbel besa nathiel hiende ! this words hold the same meaning to senators than the ones in above post . In other words they are about it ! |
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User ID: 36421936 United States 01/30/2015 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda reflects the short attention span and lack of critical thinking that has resulted in people forgetting what used to be required memorization in grade school. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58799733 United States 01/30/2015 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda reflects the short attention span and lack of critical thinking that has resulted in people forgetting what used to be required memorization in grade school. That's why I'm trying to learn how to magic missile these mother fuckers out of office because apparently the general population has devolved from ape-man to pig-man. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12781064 United States 01/30/2015 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ..whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. It's like they were telling us something. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46322755 United States 01/30/2015 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end of the recent "Sons of Liberty" three part series, they read this. This part really stood outL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12781064 ..whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. It's like they were telling us something. THEY WERE! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67179658 United States 01/30/2015 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, what do you want us to say? I am aware of it, and I agree on a spiritual level, but we are definitely not born equal in the eyes of men. Quoting: ParadoxMind Change will not come from that piece of paper. It is old and like you said, forgotten. We ALL must begin to look to our hearts if there will ever be real, good change. "Equal". You know what that word means? Doesn't mean we were all made identical or similar. Read the definition. "(of people) having the same status, rights, or opportunities." |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 66678209 United States 01/30/2015 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted a thread with this a long time ago, but this seems appropriate to your thread... Declaration of Dependence When in the Course of sitting on our couches watching the fables of the Ministry of Propaganda on TV, it becomes necessary for us, the dumb masses, to embrace the political bands which have connected us with our government, and to accept the government as the ultimate powers of the earth, deny the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles us, we realize that we prefer to remain oblivious, uninformed, and controlled. Just send us our checks, our food stamp cards, and our TV Guides. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that of the general populace, most men, women, trans-genders, and others, are created somewhat relatively equal, depending on one’s position and socio-economic status. That’s the way they arranged it, and we accept it. (continued)... [link to www.trainednoticer.com] :bf109a: For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
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User ID: 36421936 United States 01/30/2015 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted a thread with this a long time ago, but this seems appropriate to your thread... Quoting: Trained Noticer Declaration of Dependence When in the Course of sitting on our couches watching the fables of the Ministry of Propaganda on TV, it becomes necessary for us, the dumb masses, to embrace the political bands which have connected us with our government, and to accept the government as the ultimate powers of the earth, deny the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitles us, we realize that we prefer to remain oblivious, uninformed, and controlled. Just send us our checks, our food stamp cards, and our TV Guides. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that of the general populace, most men, women, trans-genders, and others, are created somewhat relatively equal, depending on one’s position and socio-economic status. That’s the way they arranged it, and we accept it. (continued)... [link to www.trainednoticer.com] :bf109a: Brilliant! :brilliant: "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 26240425 United States 01/30/2015 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep the Decaration of Independence at work, most of the time. I always have pocket Constitutions sitting around for coworkers. It's amazing how much interest there is in them. People eat up, like it's something new. People just have not been taught about our founding documents. Given the opportunity, they will try to learn about America the way we are supposed to be. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
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User ID: 36421936 United States 01/30/2015 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only way to do something is disconnecting from the system Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66852364 own energy, own food, own transportation, own community's, and let the assholes that support the system collapse with it. Yeah that just goes right back to the original post being that people have forgotten about independence. Sadly the vast majority of people don't think there is such a thing as being outside the system. They've never heard of such independence that wasn't derided as being crazy or part of an apocalyptic movie plot. Should some hapless modern soul wander outside of the system long enough to wonder if they could do that themselves, chances are very good they would quickly flee the honest hard work required be truly independent. Those who have heard about this bizarre thing called "independence" mostly just live vicariously though their favorite reality TV show about other crazy people doing that. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 26240425 United States 01/30/2015 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, what do you want us to say? I am aware of it, and I agree on a spiritual level, but we are definitely not born equal in the eyes of men. Quoting: ParadoxMind Change will not come from that piece of paper. It is old and like you said, forgotten. We ALL must begin to look to our hearts if there will ever be real, good change. You don't have to say anything. I agree with what you said. Who will be the next Sam Adams? There is no suggestion in the text that men are "born equal." The Founders never put forth that notion. We are EQUALLY ENDOWED - regardless of our lot in life or our abilities - with certain Unalienable Rights, because there is a God who created Man. Therefore, Government exists to protect and secure these Rights as there is one HIGHER than earthly governments to whom we answer. The Founders knew what they were talking about. The founders believed that all men are created equal. They never even came close to saying they should have an equal outcome. That is in the hands of each person. You can make as much or as little of your life as you want. There will never be equal outcomes because people are all different. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36421936 United States 01/30/2015 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep the Decaration of Independence at work, most of the time. I always have pocket Constitutions sitting around for coworkers. It's amazing how much interest there is in them. People eat up, like it's something new. People just have not been taught about our founding documents. Given the opportunity, they will try to learn about America the way we are supposed to be. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Yeah I do about the same thing where I work, but they just think I'm the resident cook. A couple of years ago for Christmas they handed out wreaths for us to personalize and hang outside our cubicles. I titled mine "All I Want for Christmas is Freedom" and decorated it with 10 green and white strips of paper to list out the Bill of Rights. |
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User ID: 36421936 United States 01/30/2015 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep the Decaration of Independence at work, most of the time. I always have pocket Constitutions sitting around for coworkers. It's amazing how much interest there is in them. People eat up, like it's something new. People just have not been taught about our founding documents. Given the opportunity, they will try to learn about America the way we are supposed to be. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Yeah I do about the same thing where I work, but they just think I'm the resident cook. A couple of years ago for Christmas they handed out wreaths for us to personalize and hang outside our cubicles. I titled mine "All I Want for Christmas is Freedom" and decorated it with 10 green and white strips of paper to list out the Bill of Rights. That was me. GLP just fritzed out. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8547422 United States 01/30/2015 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.archives.gov] Quoting: Mr. NorM We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness <50% What is truly sad is that many in this country have no idea what document these words come from nor the history behind it and the struggle and violence that secured Liberty. Just reading it gives me goosebumps and I'm proud of that fact. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8547422 United States 01/30/2015 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, what do you want us to say? I am aware of it, and I agree on a spiritual level, but we are definitely not born equal in the eyes of men. Quoting: ParadoxMind Change will not come from that piece of paper. It is old and like you said, forgotten. We ALL must begin to look to our hearts if there will ever be real, good change. You don't have to say anything. I agree with what you said. Who will be the next Sam Adams? There is no suggestion in the text that men are "born equal." The Founders never put forth that notion. We are EQUALLY ENDOWED - regardless of our lot in life or our abilities - with certain Unalienable Rights, because there is a God who created Man. Therefore, Government exists to protect and secure these Rights as there is one HIGHER than earthly governments to whom we answer. The Founders knew what they were talking about. Precisely. We make our way secure in the rights bestowed upon us at birth because those rights are inherent. The INDEPENDENT nature of man, to hack his own way through the wilderness FREE of the enslavement of an overpowering government or the will of a KING, is paramount. We are not equal in means or property, but what we do have is OURS, and does not belong to the government, to a lord or a king. People need to study history and understand that, at that time, the King saw the colonialists as nothing but peasants and slaves. In fact, every true "Englishman" viewed colonialists as not their English brothers but rather peasants in service to the King. Study history. You'll discover that ever rich land owners were nothing but wealthier peasants. You'll find out that British soldiers would be "billeted" or housed in people's homes or simply take the house over without any lawful way to fight let along protest the action. Such insubordination could get you lashed in the town square or worse and you would still lose your home and everything in it if it was the will of the King or those who were acting in his stead. |
Mr. NorM
(OP) User ID: 46322755 United States 01/30/2015 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep the Decaration of Independence at work, most of the time. I always have pocket Constitutions sitting around for coworkers. It's amazing how much interest there is in them. People eat up, like it's something new. People just have not been taught about our founding documents. Given the opportunity, they will try to learn about America the way we are supposed to be. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Yeah I do about the same thing where I work, but they just think I'm the resident cook. A couple of years ago for Christmas they handed out wreaths for us to personalize and hang outside our cubicles. I titled mine "All I Want for Christmas is Freedom" and decorated it with 10 green and white strips of paper to list out the Bill of Rights. Thank you both! Married to a ginger |