HAVE WE REACHED, "PEAK FOOD"?? IT IS IN OUR FUTURE, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66728333 United States 01/28/2015 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need a mass genocide... but who has the right to determine which groups stay and which groups go? A stipend from each nationality, race, and creed, shall be sacrificed to Moloch. Only then, will we be, right as rain. [link to upload.wikimedia.org] |
Doomish
User ID: 62624910 United States 01/28/2015 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I have no issues with food shortage, But a simple fact remains, crops are dependent on the sun and weather. What if for some freak reason, ie, a repeat of recent history, a year with no summer??? Quoting: Desert Fox Or, in the case of California, which provides 90% of the nation's food, prolonged drought. We're already there. Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. I agree with your entire post 100%. Trying to bring GLP together. I'm still collecting flags from posters all over the world. Thread: Official "Flags from around the world" thread. Hoping to get posts from all countries that frequent GLP. :gratefulsig: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66728333 United States 01/28/2015 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, I have no issues with food shortage, But a simple fact remains, crops are dependent on the sun and weather. What if for some freak reason, ie, a repeat of recent history, a year with no summer??? Quoting: Desert Fox Or, in the case of California, which provides 90% of the nation's food, prolonged drought. We're already there. Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. :indeed: I agree with your entire post 100%. Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] |
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Doomish
User ID: 62624910 United States 01/28/2015 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If by some miracle the average idiot can grow a plant to fruition. No way they figure out how to preserve it thru winter. Quoting: John Barleycorn Brawndo . It's what plants crave . Trying to bring GLP together. I'm still collecting flags from posters all over the world. Thread: Official "Flags from around the world" thread. Hoping to get posts from all countries that frequent GLP. :gratefulsig: |
Nikola Tesla
User ID: 61053943 United States 01/28/2015 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If by some miracle the average idiot can grow a plant to fruition. No way they figure out how to preserve it thru winter. Quoting: John Barleycorn Canning is the way to do that. We purchased a pressure cooker last year. It will hold several Mason jars at one time. This is basically the same thing my grandmother and mother used to do with food/vegetables from our garden. Americans a so very vulnerable because most of them don't have these these skill sets. If ever the just in time (JIT) supply train to the grocery stores is broken, look out. All hell will break loose in a few days. "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Useless Cookie Eater
User ID: 29696048 United States 01/28/2015 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Doomish Or, in the case of California, which provides 90% of the nation's food, prolonged drought. We're already there. Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. I agree with your entire post 100%. Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] Considering how corrupt ALL the 3 and 4 letter USA government agencies are now, why would you think the FDA, USDA, EPA or any of them actually have Americans health and best interests in mind anymore? That paradigm, and the reason those agencies were created is/are long dead. |
Nikola Tesla
User ID: 61053943 United States 01/28/2015 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GFX guy Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. I agree with your entire post 100%. Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] Considering how corrupt ALL the 3 and 4 letter USA government agencies are now, why would you think the FDA, USDA, EPA or any of them actually have Americans health and best interests in mind anymore? That paradigm, and the reason those agencies were created is/are long dead. You might say that some of those agencies have run amok. "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Desert Fox
(OP) 01/28/2015 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If by some miracle the average idiot can grow a plant to fruition. No way they figure out how to preserve it thru winter. Quoting: John Barleycorn Canning is the way to do that. We purchased a pressure cooker last year. It will hold several Mason jars at one time. This is basically the same thing my grandmother and mother used to do with food/vegetables from our garden. Americans a so very vulnerable because most of them don't have these these skill sets. If ever the just in time (JIT) supply train to the grocery stores is broken, look out. All hell will break loose in a few days. You two posters are 100% correct. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Hawk-02
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GFX guy
User ID: 66197238 United States 01/28/2015 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Doomish Or, in the case of California, which provides 90% of the nation's food, prolonged drought. We're already there. Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. I agree with your entire post 100%. Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] Nice link. Reminds me of this... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Rabbit User ID: 63466205 United States 01/28/2015 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Desert Fox - you are correct in thinking that more food gets thrown away than is consumed. At least, in the Produce catagory. I do not have a link, but recently read that ~52% of all Produce grown in the United States goes into the trash. 52 percent, more than half. Absolute insanity. All of that energy, effort, time taken to grown and transport all of that food - wasted. I am a Produce Manager at a major food retailer in the North Midwest and I can tell you, an astronomical amount hits the trash. Recently, at least with us it has started to be composted rather than thrown out, but still... Why do they do it? Because at least on their balance sheets, it is more profitable to do so rather than selling the second-rate/bruised/spotted/etc produce at or below cost. This way of life is completely unsustainable, if we continue along this path we will see Peak Everything, unlimited growth in a finite ecosystem, yeast in a petri dish... Hard times ahead. |
Useless Cookie Eater
User ID: 29696048 United States 01/28/2015 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GFX guy Big Agriculture is the problem. Small, local farms is the solution. Along with taking personal responsibility in growing all you can. Smaller farms manage rainfall far better as a whole. Watch out for the "organic" labels as they have to pay big bucks to appease the USDA labeling requirements. Sadly, as the original post states, the average person won't know what hit them till it's too late. I agree with your entire post 100%. Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] Nice link. Reminds me of this... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 1) Shame on Whole Foods for not living up to their own standards. 2) Shame on the USA government who let's the word ORGANIC mean many things. This is DELIBERATE and comes from corrupt lobbyists for the industry. 3) The USDA and related government bodies no longer care about Americans health. They care about appeasing the lobbyists and are in bed together pocketing the $$$. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 01/28/2015 10:38 PM |
Desert Fox
(OP) 01/28/2015 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Desert Fox - you are correct in thinking that more food gets thrown away than is consumed. At least, in the Produce catagory. I do not have a link, but recently read that ~52% of all Produce grown in the United States goes into the trash. 52 percent, more than half. Absolute insanity. Quoting: Rabbit 63466205 All of that energy, effort, time taken to grown and transport all of that food - wasted. I am a Produce Manager at a major food retailer in the North Midwest and I can tell you, an astronomical amount hits the trash. Recently, at least with us it has started to be composted rather than thrown out, but still... Why do they do it? Because at least on their balance sheets, it is more profitable to do so rather than selling the second-rate/bruised/spotted/etc produce at or below cost. This way of life is completely unsustainable, if we continue along this path we will see Peak Everything, unlimited growth in a finite ecosystem, yeast in a petri dish... Hard times ahead. People are so spoiled that they will not eat a banana with a dark spot on the peel. The amount you throw away making it pretty for the customer would feed a lot of people. I never understood the logic of throwing it away instead of marking it down. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
GFX guy
User ID: 66197238 United States 01/28/2015 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Never buy "Organic" products from Slavic, Arab, or Eastern-European countries. They literally bribe the "USDA" folks, if one guy wont be bought out, there's 5 more with the same authority who will. Google organic walnuts from Kazakhstan. or listen: [link to www.npr.org] Nice link. Reminds me of this... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 1) Shame on Whole Foods for not living up to their own standards. 2) Shame on the USA government who let's the word ORGANIC mean many things. This is DELIBERATE and comes from corrupt lobbyists for the industry. 3) The USDA and related government bodies no longer care about Americans health. They care about appeasing the lobbyists and are in bed together pocketing the $$$. The population has been sold out. If people would just pay attention and vote with their wallets, things would be forced to change. I agree with all you said. The FDA is top of the heap where those other agencies take their marching orders. Will the corruption ever be stopped? Rhetorical. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65089786 United States 01/28/2015 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are already processing the Next big food Marketing Sheme... Enter, 3 D food printing ! Templates, downloadable meals, recipes and the hardware and special "Nano Monoatomic" powder packets for your 3 d processing needs. Multiple, mega industries being birthed from this... Think Star Trek, The Jetsons and such, We have achieve this gross means of diet. No wonder why Managed Healthcare was pushed so quickly as the need for greed to impose this monstrous gold mine of opportunity for the elite, along with climate gate. Also, be prepared for debit camps. Labor in exchange for debt consolidation and or forgiveness. Labor is for processing these industries and robot, droid building. |
GFX guy
User ID: 66197238 United States 01/28/2015 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are already processing the Next big food Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65089786 Marketing Sheme... Enter, 3 D food printing ! Templates, downloadable meals, recipes and the hardware and special "Nano Monoatomic" powder packets for your 3 d processing needs. Multiple, mega industries being birthed from this... Think Star Trek, The Jetsons and such, We have achieve this gross means of diet. No wonder why Managed Healthcare was pushed so quickly as the need for greed to impose this monstrous gold mine of opportunity for the elite, along with climate gate. Also, be prepared for debit camps. Labor in exchange for debt consolidation and or forgiveness. Labor is for processing these industries and robot, droid building. Only if you give in. That middle finger is more powerful than most give credit. |
Desert Fox
(OP) 01/28/2015 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are already processing the Next big food Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65089786 Marketing Sheme... Enter, 3 D food printing ! Templates, downloadable meals, recipes and the hardware and special "Nano Monoatomic" powder packets for your 3 d processing needs. Multiple, mega industries being birthed from this... Think Star Trek, The Jetsons and such, We have achieve this gross means of diet. No wonder why Managed Healthcare was pushed so quickly as the need for greed to impose this monstrous gold mine of opportunity for the elite, along with climate gate. Also, be prepared for debit camps. Labor in exchange for debt consolidation and or forgiveness. Labor is for processing these industries and robot, droid building. Don't believe I am ready to rely on an food that is faker than what we have now. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65089786 United States 01/28/2015 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are already processing the Next big food Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65089786 Marketing Sheme... Enter, 3 D food printing ! Templates, downloadable meals, recipes and the hardware and special "Nano Monoatomic" powder packets for your 3 d processing needs. Multiple, mega industries being birthed from this... Think Star Trek, The Jetsons and such, We have achieve this gross means of diet. No wonder why Managed Healthcare was pushed so quickly as the need for greed to impose this monstrous gold mine of opportunity for the elite, along with climate gate. Also, be prepared for debit camps. Labor in exchange for debt consolidation and or forgiveness. Labor is for processing these industries and robot, droid building. Don't believe I am ready to rely on an food that is faker than what we have now. Exactly, As most is already... It's sad that you can't generally find even a steak that hasn't been formed, hybrid blended and glued together. They are so clever in presentation, yet a good eye can spot it right away. Then you got Shmeat, plasti veggie, plasti rice and grains synthetic breads, and let's not even get near the dairy ! Then you have the other realm, the GMO realm too... They figure, if people will buy and consume processed foods and fast foods, then they will go open arms to 3-D food Printing. The Natives knew back when the Bison were eradicated, what would follow after that ! . |
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FarMore
User ID: 32057893 United States 01/28/2015 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With population growing leaps and bounds, food shortage is unavoidable. Quoting: Desert Fox [link to www.independent.co.uk] Smells like a push for more GMO's to me. There will be up years...and there will be down years / decades. Depends on many factors. Mostly environment and culture, biggest two factors. Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." |
JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 01/28/2015 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the article notes towards the end that eliminating food waste would go a long way to easing food supply problems: Quoting: beeches from above link: [link to www.independent.co.uk] That trajectory [of needing to double food production] is not a given but more of a warning. It means we have to change how we eat and use food,” said Jonathan Foley, the director of the California Academy of Sciences. While the peak production study suggests a doubling of food output could well be impossible, Dr Foley points out that, since 30 to 40 per cent of the food grown globally for human consumption never gets eaten, eliminating waste would go a long way to feeding the growing population No way people are going to change their wasteful habits until they have none to waste. Truth DF To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
GFX guy
User ID: 66197238 United States 01/28/2015 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course no one replied to the comment about the massive amount of crops/land dedicated to animal agriculture. You guys really do love your bacon more than your Grandchildren, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63370162 Bacon vs. land? Pigs are not grazers like cattle... They will eat all that you give them, mostly. Why does one need to choose between bacon and crops? Don't make me choose. What do you have against pork? They paddock when crops are done. What are we missing here? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60412170 United States 01/28/2015 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the article notes towards the end that eliminating food waste would go a long way to easing food supply problems: Quoting: beeches from above link: [link to www.independent.co.uk] That trajectory [of needing to double food production] is not a given but more of a warning. It means we have to change how we eat and use food,” said Jonathan Foley, the director of the California Academy of Sciences. While the peak production study suggests a doubling of food output could well be impossible, Dr Foley points out that, since 30 to 40 per cent of the food grown globally for human consumption never gets eaten, eliminating waste would go a long way to feeding the growing population No way people are going to change their wasteful habits until they have none to waste. Add in an impending ICE AGE ,which will shorten growing seasons and sometimes outright destroy a harvest completely. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63370162 United States 01/28/2015 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course no one replied to the comment about the massive amount of crops/land dedicated to animal agriculture. You guys really do love your bacon more than your Grandchildren, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63370162 Bacon vs. land? Pigs are not grazers like cattle... They will eat all that you give them, mostly. Why does one need to choose between bacon and crops? Don't make me choose. What do you have against pork? They paddock when crops are done. What are we missing here? Yes, you are. Please research this topic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60505731 United Kingdom 01/28/2015 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peak food pfft - what a bunch of morans! In the future farms will be redundant - regarded as an unhealthy, cruel inefficient disease ridden way to grow food. You will need cheap energy though, something like an ECAT. Huge warehouses with aquaponics layered every metre a thousand metres high - grown twice as fast, disease free picked and tended by robots. Meat tissues grown in the same way - float them on the oceans if you need to. |
Lil Sis
User ID: 67104479 United States 01/28/2015 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am thinking of our own gardens, and not wasting food. Quoting: beeches School cafeterias have 2 categories of foods: "must offers" and "must takes". the must offer foods MUST be offered to the student, who may take them or decline them. This saves waste! the "must takes" cannot be declined. The student must take them whether they intend to eat them or not. and boy do they fill the trash barrels in schools. make all foods voluntary in the lunch line, or better yet, tell the kids to bring from home. My kids attended a private school that could not afford a cafeteria. No waste there. I love you Beeches How about instead we just keep the Federal government out of the school systems altogether. Problem solved.... before it even begins. ^^^^ This ************************************************************************ Corruptisima re publica plurimae leges. ~ Terence |
GFX guy
User ID: 66197238 United States 01/28/2015 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course no one replied to the comment about the massive amount of crops/land dedicated to animal agriculture. You guys really do love your bacon more than your Grandchildren, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63370162 Bacon vs. land? Pigs are not grazers like cattle... They will eat all that you give them, mostly. Why does one need to choose between bacon and crops? Don't make me choose. What do you have against pork? They paddock when crops are done. What are we missing here? Yes, you are. Please research this topic. So you choose to ignore meat? Enjoy that then. [link to www.polyfacefarms.com] There are ways far better with the mix than independently. |