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Vitamin D3, Melatonin, 5-htp, NAC, Tyrosin ... experiences and dosage

 
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Hi glp,

just thought if we could share some experience with those "feel better" medicines.

Have some questions, maybe some can be answered.

Wanted to take a look at the normal recommended dosage of those..

Vit D3 is 1,000 IU
But I red in some forums, some people only notice an effect with much higher dose like 10,000 IU or even higher.
I have a supplier with 10,000 IU now in one pill.
There is some concern to higher dosage.

The recommended dose for 5htp is 100 mg a day, also people talk about dose of 400 mg a day.

Melatonin I have 3mg almost every night, sleep better and dream more intensely with it.




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If someone is interested, I'm just studying the effects of NAC.
Ordered a whole lot of crap, some of I stopped using.
Atm I will try one supplement at a time and note the effects, to see what works and what not.

There are some interesting reports here

"Also, the thoughts don't seem to run like crazy in my head after maybe only 4 days of taking it in the morning. It's like a thought disciplining pill"

Sounds nice.

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10,000 IU of D3 is a lot imo.
1000 IU is not enough imo.

I believe the proper and safe amounts of D3 should be between 5,000-8,000 IU daily and i have also read that it should only be taken with K2 so that calcium build up happens in the bones and not in the arteries.

I take 5,000 IU capsules with no K2.
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I make soups every 2-weeks to 4-weeks. In those I add several dropper fulls of D3. about 50k IUs worth. Only between November to March... when the sun is too low to allow vitamin D intake. For the years I've done this, my family has been flu/cold free. If anyone of us get anything, it doesn't last more than 12 hours or so.

D3 is stored in fat cells so large dosages can be time released.

It's been about 5 years since I started and have no reason to think it does not work. ~$20/year is more than worth my efforts to test the theory.

Could be 100% placebo, but I don't care if it works.
Disclaimer: we also use elderberry syrup in our tea a few times a week.

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10,000 IU of D3 is a lot imo.
1000 IU is not enough imo.

I believe the proper and safe amounts of D3 should be between 5,000-8,000 IU daily and i have also read that it should only be taken with K2 so that calcium build up happens in the bones and not in the arteries.

I take 5,000 IU capsules with no K2.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55400555



Ok, what is K2?
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I had to get up to 5000 IU of vitamin D to maintain adequate blood levels and feel good.

I suffer from chronic migraine and take 9 mg of melatonin nightly on the advice of a neurologist. He said some studies have shown that at 9 or 12 mg, it can help some people prevent headaches. It took about a week for me to adjust to that high of a level. I was previously only taking 3. I sleep good most nights and have vivid dreams. I'm not groggy from it anymore but it did take an adjustment.

I take 100 mg 5-HTP nightly. I find it helps me be less moody and not as fatigued. If I bump up to 200, I can't sleep though. Kind of how melatonin used to be before I adjusted. But the htp helps me sleep at 100 and I feel agitated without it.
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If someone is interested, I'm just studying the effects of NAC.
Ordered a whole lot of crap, some of I stopped using.
Atm I will try one supplement at a time and note the effects, to see what works and what not.

There are some interesting reports here

"Also, the thoughts don't seem to run like crazy in my head after maybe only 4 days of taking it in the morning. It's like a thought disciplining pill"

Sounds nice.

[link to www.longecity.org]
 Quoting: A r c


Someone recommended NAC to me to help prevent my migraines, and it increases them, just like magnesium. I'm some weird anomaly when it comes to things that are supposed to help I think.
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First things you need to do is eliminate the cause of your depression.

Your gut is the cause.

Dysbiosis in the gut, leaky guy, candida, they cause the neurotransmittors to go crazy (most of them are in the gut).

So first thing to do is, fix your stomach acidity with Betaine HCL or ACV.

Second, get a good probiotic like VSL3

third, fix your gut with l-glutamine and stop eating a shitty diet with gluten, sugar and processed foods.

Fourth get good anti oxidants to clean yourself out.

Fifth make sure you get all the trace minerals and vitamins

Then you will be up and running before the summer hits.
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I had to get up to 5000 IU of vitamin D to maintain adequate blood levels and feel good.

I suffer from chronic migraine and take 9 mg of melatonin nightly on the advice of a neurologist. He said some studies have shown that at 9 or 12 mg, it can help some people prevent headaches. It took about a week for me to adjust to that high of a level. I was previously only taking 3. I sleep good most nights and have vivid dreams. I'm not groggy from it anymore but it did take an adjustment.

I take 100 mg 5-HTP nightly. I find it helps me be less moody and not as fatigued. If I bump up to 200, I can't sleep though. Kind of how melatonin used to be before I adjusted. But the htp helps me sleep at 100 and I feel agitated without it.
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That is interesting, I almost use the same dosage at the same time of the day as you, only I take 3mg Melatonin, as this seemsto be enough for me and also I don't want to take more, so it holds a bit longer, cause it's expensice and not easy to get in germany.

Will try to make a journal of how I react to the NAC, as it seems to be promising.

Sadly most doctors don't know their shit and don't know about those supplements, so you have to figure and try it all on your own.
At least mostly.
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10,000 IU of D3 is a lot imo.
1000 IU is not enough imo.

I believe the proper and safe amounts of D3 should be between 5,000-8,000 IU daily and i have also read that it should only be taken with K2 so that calcium build up happens in the bones and not in the arteries.

I take 5,000 IU capsules with no K2.
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Ok, what is K2?
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I couldn't find the article i wanted to show you but here is a page with the two being sold together and the basics of how they work together.
Like i said, i do not take K2 and i do not know of how true their claims are but i have seen quite a bit of info. out there on the subject. Food for thought.
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If someone is interested, I'm just studying the effects of NAC.
Ordered a whole lot of crap, some of I stopped using.
Atm I will try one supplement at a time and note the effects, to see what works and what not.

There are some interesting reports here

"Also, the thoughts don't seem to run like crazy in my head after maybe only 4 days of taking it in the morning. It's like a thought disciplining pill"

Sounds nice.

[link to www.longecity.org]
 Quoting: A r c


Someone recommended NAC to me to help prevent my migraines, and it increases them, just like magnesium. I'm some weird anomaly when it comes to things that are supposed to help I think.
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Yep, I know what you say.
I thought the same about myself..
I experienced it that way with many things, often it seemed to have the opposite effect.
So I guess there is something else, that was/ is not wired correctly maybe.

I tried different things from supplements to detoxing and stuff like that. The detoxing might have had the effect to clean my body of which had caused this "opposite effect", something that could have blocked absorption.
Only a guess, but I noticed some supplements had different effects at different times.
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10,000 IU of D3 is a lot imo.
1000 IU is not enough imo.

I believe the proper and safe amounts of D3 should be between 5,000-8,000 IU daily and i have also read that it should only be taken with K2 so that calcium build up happens in the bones and not in the arteries.

I take 5,000 IU capsules with no K2.
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Ok, what is K2?
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I couldn't find the article i wanted to show you but here is a page with the two being sold together and the basics of how they work together.
Like i said, i do not take K2 and i do not know of how true their claims are but i have seen quite a bit of info. out there on the subject. Food for thought.
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Duh, better up my D3. Here ya go. :)
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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First things you need to do is eliminate the cause of your depression.

Your gut is the cause.

Dysbiosis in the gut, leaky guy, candida, they cause the neurotransmittors to go crazy (most of them are in the gut).

So first thing to do is, fix your stomach acidity with Betaine HCL or ACV.

Second, get a good probiotic like VSL3

third, fix your gut with l-glutamine and stop eating a shitty diet with gluten, sugar and processed foods.

Fourth get good anti oxidants to clean yourself out.

Fifth make sure you get all the trace minerals and vitamins

Then you will be up and running before the summer hits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54438059




Have to look up some of this..

By the way, I don't eat much acidic food and this shitty stuff, I'm almost vegan and my ph is not acidic anymore.

For the Trace Minerals I have something called Concentrace.

Also NAC is indeed an anti-oxidant.

:)
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For those deeply interested in vitamin D / D3... you'll find this interesting.


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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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I take an unmeasured amount of D3 at least weekly......since I've discovered it relieves my psoriasis and I can quit all the toxic drugs....it's routine for me to take 10 to 15 thousand units....there are no side effects.

Consider how many units you get at a day at the beach if you think 10,000 is high....
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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I'm not saying she might not need that much but she should be careful consuming too much per day.

Vitamin D thickens the blood and too much can cause kidney stones.
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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40 ng/ml is the minimum that everybody should target for. 50-80 ng/ml is optimal.

Yes, vitamin D plays a HUGE role in immune system function.

It seems that I need 8,000 IU a day for maximum benefits..
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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I'm not saying she might not need that much but she should be careful consuming too much per day.

Vitamin D thickens the blood and too much can cause kidney stones.
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Nope. Debunked.
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52309196


I take an unmeasured amount of D3 at least weekly......since I've discovered it relieves my psoriasis and I can quit all the toxic drugs....it's routine for me to take 10 to 15 thousand units....there are no side effects.

Consider how many units you get at a day at the beach if you think 10,000 is high....
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She still takes the 5000 daily just to maintain her levels, D is there root of may people's cronic Heath issues and by the time you relize it is low the damage is done.
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First things you need to do is eliminate the cause of your depression.

Your gut is the cause.

Dysbiosis in the gut, leaky guy, candida, they cause the neurotransmittors to go crazy (most of them are in the gut).

So first thing to do is, fix your stomach acidity with Betaine HCL or ACV.

Second, get a good probiotic like VSL3

third, fix your gut with l-glutamine and stop eating a shitty diet with gluten, sugar and processed foods.

Fourth get good anti oxidants to clean yourself out.

Fifth make sure you get all the trace minerals and vitamins

Then you will be up and running before the summer hits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54438059




Have to look up some of this..

By the way, I don't eat much acidic food and this shitty stuff, I'm almost vegan and my ph is not acidic anymore.

For the Trace Minerals I have something called Concentrace.

Also NAC is indeed an anti-oxidant.

:)
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Yes n-acetyl cysteine, I like r-lipoic acid a lot too.
But there are lots of good antioxidants. Selenium for instance, curcumin, milk thistle, cannabis oil.

Google is your friend!

Always try to find the root cause, depression is a symptom.
If you use serotonin precursers without fixing the real cause you're only treating the symptoms.

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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
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I'm not saying she might not need that much but she should be careful consuming too much per day.

Vitamin D thickens the blood and too much can cause kidney stones.
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Nope. Debunked.
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Seconded. You can't OD on D... any excess will be expelled is all. The data is in.
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If someone is interested, I'm just studying the effects of NAC.
Ordered a whole lot of crap, some of I stopped using.
Atm I will try one supplement at a time and note the effects, to see what works and what not.

There are some interesting reports here

"Also, the thoughts don't seem to run like crazy in my head after maybe only 4 days of taking it in the morning. It's like a thought disciplining pill"

Sounds nice.

[link to www.longecity.org]
 Quoting: A r c


Someone recommended NAC to me to help prevent my migraines, and it increases them, just like magnesium. I'm some weird anomaly when it comes to things that are supposed to help I think.
 Quoting: Gratia Plena



Yep, I know what you say.
I thought the same about myself..
I experienced it that way with many things, often it seemed to have the opposite effect.
So I guess there is something else, that was/ is not wired correctly maybe.

I tried different things from supplements to detoxing and stuff like that. The detoxing might have had the effect to clean my body of which had caused this "opposite effect", something that could have blocked absorption.
Only a guess, but I noticed some supplements had different effects at different times.
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Vitamin D does detoxing too... It actually up-regulates the production of glutathione so adding NAC will significantly boost glutathione reserve...
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First things you need to do is eliminate the cause of your depression.

Your gut is the cause.

Dysbiosis in the gut, leaky guy, candida, they cause the neurotransmittors to go crazy (most of them are in the gut).

So first thing to do is, fix your stomach acidity with Betaine HCL or ACV.

Second, get a good probiotic like VSL3

third, fix your gut with l-glutamine and stop eating a shitty diet with gluten, sugar and processed foods.

Fourth get good anti oxidants to clean yourself out.

Fifth make sure you get all the trace minerals and vitamins

Then you will be up and running before the summer hits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54438059




Have to look up some of this..

By the way, I don't eat much acidic food and this shitty stuff, I'm almost vegan and my ph is not acidic anymore.

For the Trace Minerals I have something called Concentrace.

Also NAC is indeed an anti-oxidant.

:)
 Quoting: A r c

Yes n-acetyl cysteine, I like r-lipoic acid a lot too.
But there are lots of good antioxidants. Selenium for instance, curcumin, milk thistle, cannabis oil.

Google is your friend!

Always try to find the root cause, depression is a symptom.
If you use serotonin precursers without fixing the real cause you're only treating the symptoms.

Hippocrates said, "All diseases start in the gut" and he was right.
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Vitamin D is number one anti-oxidant in my opinion.
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5-HTP 400-600mg 2 or 3 x daily
L-Trytophan 400-600mg 2 or 3x daily
Vitamin D3 15,000 IU daily

These are absolutely phenomenal. They have helped me overcome alcohol/ substance abuse for almost 8 years (total abstinence) now, ward off depression and feel great.

I've been on them since 2007 and am doing super.

You MUST try these things

SIncerely...
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All I know is having adequate vitamin D is very important and if your is low you can expect all sorts of problems. Normal D3 levels should be about 30. My wife's got as low as 9 at one point, she took a 50,000 dose once a week and 5000 daily prescribed by the doctor for 6 months. She has serious issuses with immune system and autonomic nervous system. I am suspicious if it stemmed from low vitamin D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52309196


I take an unmeasured amount of D3 at least weekly......since I've discovered it relieves my psoriasis and I can quit all the toxic drugs....it's routine for me to take 10 to 15 thousand units....there are no side effects.

Consider how many units you get at a day at the beach if you think 10,000 is high....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67626785


She still takes the 5000 daily just to maintain her levels, D is there root of may people's cronic Heath issues and by the time you relize it is low the damage is done.
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I take it back, I wad confused, she take 50,000 once a week, dropped the 5000 daily. Also, about the level of 30, below that is considered low is what I meant, her's was 9, the lowest I have ever heard of.
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5-HTP 400-600mg 2 or 3 x daily
L-Trytophan 400-600mg 2 or 3x daily
Vitamin D3 15,000 IU daily

These are absolutely phenomenal. They have helped me overcome alcohol/ substance abuse for almost 8 years (total abstinence) now, ward off depression and feel great.

I've been on them since 2007 and am doing super.

You MUST try these things

SIncerely...
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OOPS...I miss quoted the 5-HTP

I take 200-300mg 2 or 3 x daily (not 400-600mg)
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10,000 IU of D3 is a lot imo.
1000 IU is not enough imo.

I believe the proper and safe amounts of D3 should be between 5,000-8,000 IU daily and i have also read that it should only be taken with K2 so that calcium build up happens in the bones and not in the arteries.

I take 5,000 IU capsules with no K2.
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Ok, what is K2?
 Quoting: A r c


The world's tallest mountain, in Nepal ...

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