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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65941087 United States 01/16/2015 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have a winner! Glad some common sense still exists out there. Thanks What we consider normal, natural and acceptable is largely based on our social conditioning, not any true objective reality A couple of hundred years ago, we owned other humans with impunity in this nation In India (and a shit ton of the Middle East) it's common place for slavery to exist to this day, legally, although some cultures use other names to be more palatable I am not gay but I know people who are, and it is largely the least important thing about them A homosexual more likely to be a pedophile, indeed, most pedophiles are straight white males who identify themselves as xian And to compare homosexuality to pedophilia is tempting, but it is ultimately inaccurate. Homosexuality is a victimless crime - it involves mutually consenting adults who should be the sole legal governors of their sexuality as long as it isn't forced upon someone and/or doesn't involve a child, who has no legal authority to give consent If you have sex with a child, you have a victim If you have sex with a fellow consenting adult, you have a sex partner I was raised by people who would have rather hung a 'fag' than looked at one, and I was no different. I was raised in a virtually all-white, all-thumper, all-straight area and had no reason to question what I had been raised to believe - until one of my best friends in school came out as gay and I realized that this fact changed nothing about my relationship with him or his personality or anything about him that pertained to me It was my paradigm shift I've since had many LGBT friends, people who are incredibly similar to me aside from their sexual preferences - and I have never been one to poke into the details of my friend's sex lives anyway, so their sexuality has been totally irrelevant Anyway, I don't think that society should legislate or dictate morality and/or immorality that harms no one other than those participating. I don't want to live in a theocracy, I don't want to live in a nation that can dictate reproduction or who I can love/be intimate with. I realize that a lot of people feel as though homosexuality is frowned upon by their deity, but YOUR random spiritual beliefs should have no bearing on a stranger's existence - just as you don't want muslims coming over here and dictating your life choices through sharia law. You are my favorite person on GLP! You seem to always have well thought out, logical responses. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66481513 United States 01/16/2015 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's an excellent question. Quoting: Ms. Superduper Also, why is it so important that homosexuals have everyone's approval with it? Why? I am not going to use the term 'gay' any more because I know some homosexual people and they do NOT fit the original definition of gay. I like everybody. I do not feel like it is my business what goes on in people's bedrooms. Frankly, I would rather not be privy to that information regarding anyone. Just, let's carry on as individuals having a conversation about other things, as usual. I am in the same boat, I don't care what your sexuality is because it is a private matter that I have no business knowing. I think many of them adopt their sexuality as their identity, when it should only be a part of your identity, and frankly a private one. Im one of "them". May I chime in? I am a woman married to a woman, but that does not "identify" me any more than I am a very good athlete, a successful business owner, and I get unbelievably irate when people do stupid self-centered or worse evil self-centered things. Hell, that last bit probably identifies me more than anything else. The issue is not what my wife and I do in the bedroom, any more than what you do in yours. Its none of your gdamn business, just as what you do is none of mine. My life with my wife is so much more than sex. She is my most intimate soul mate, just as straight people identify their spouse. I think the issue really stems from the fact that you and others like you GO straight (pardon the pun) to the bedroom. If we could all just accept that some people are orientated to loving (and all that entails) the same sex and others are orientated to loving the other sex, the issue can just disappear. I cant speak for other gay people, but dammit I just want to be left alone to pursue happiness as I like. That means I can hold her hand over dinner, I can tell folks at the water cooler what we did that weekend, I can show up with her at a family picnic, and all of you people wont go bug-eyed. That also includes not being continually analyzed by your ilk. The sooner you people get over it, the sooner the "gay issue" will disappear. "That which you resist, persists" truly applies here. I agree, it is a private issue that should not be broadcast out to everyone. It is no one else's business and should be kept that way. I don't think you comprehended what I wrote. For me, the issue is NOT what goes on in the bedroom, but that you and those like you have an issue with me loving a woman. There is no (at least yet thank GOD!) bedroom police assessing how things are transpiring. THe gay agenda (as so nefariously trumpeted) is, for me anyway, the ability to LIVE WITH my woman and not fear losing my job ( as would have happened to me in my workplace ten years ago), being beaten or molested for not being interested in men (yeah that course of action would certainly change my mind), having my wife give all of our shared nest egg to the f'ing IRS, just walking down the street hand -in -hand w/o drawing stares, etc. As long as the culture denigrates a person for pursuing happiness (that ole founding principle) while hurting no one****, that culture needs fixing. "Coming out" was one of the scariest, most empowering things I ever did. I NO LONGER LIVED A LIE. If integrity is even remotely important to you, surely that resonates? I had a childhood friend turn from me briefly. Her rather conservative father asked her why she would give up a (at the time) 25 year friendship? Why indeed? Why are we as a society, as a species so hung up on this? Its not about sex (unless you get strangely titillated about it). Its about the right to live your life. And as long as you make it an issue, so it is. ****It should go without saying that we are discussing consenting adults. Anyone who diddles children male OR female should rot in a horrific jail cell for life. |
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User ID: 4929481 United States 01/16/2015 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's an excellent question. Quoting: Ms. Superduper Also, why is it so important that homosexuals have everyone's approval with it? Why? I am not going to use the term 'gay' any more because I know some homosexual people and they do NOT fit the original definition of gay. I like everybody. I do not feel like it is my business what goes on in people's bedrooms. Frankly, I would rather not be privy to that information regarding anyone. Just, let's carry on as individuals having a conversation about other things, as usual. I am in the same boat, I don't care what your sexuality is because it is a private matter that I have no business knowing. I think many of them adopt their sexuality as their identity, when it should only be a part of your identity, and frankly a private one. Im one of "them". May I chime in? I am a woman married to a woman, but that does not "identify" me any more than I am a very good athlete, a successful business owner, and I get unbelievably irate when people do stupid self-centered or worse evil self-centered things. Hell, that last bit probably identifies me more than anything else. The issue is not what my wife and I do in the bedroom, any more than what you do in yours. Its none of your gdamn business, just as what you do is none of mine. My life with my wife is so much more than sex. She is my most intimate soul mate, just as straight people identify their spouse. I think the issue really stems from the fact that you and others like you GO straight (pardon the pun) to the bedroom. If we could all just accept that some people are orientated to loving (and all that entails) the same sex and others are orientated to loving the other sex, the issue can just disappear. I cant speak for other gay people, but dammit I just want to be left alone to pursue happiness as I like. That means I can hold her hand over dinner, I can tell folks at the water cooler what we did that weekend, I can show up with her at a family picnic, and all of you people wont go bug-eyed. That also includes not being continually analyzed by your ilk. The sooner you people get over it, the sooner the "gay issue" will disappear. "That which you resist, persists" truly applies here. If the majority of gay people shared this sentiment here would be no issue. The problems is that GAY has been so in your damn face in the last 10 years that now, that is how gay culture is identified. I don't believe at ALL NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST, that it will just "go away" because as a majority gay people are very aggressive in their actions of promoting their "gayness" it is very similar to how black people in the USA will always be "victims of slavery" and white people will always be "racist" so w/e If gay people wanted to assimilate into a perceived (and often genuinely) hostile culture then the aggressiveness needs to start to end. It is no longer justified and I wish more gay couples were like how you portray yourself. Screw you, I'm from Texas. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66481513 United States 01/16/2015 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have a winner! Glad some common sense still exists out there. Thanks What we consider normal, natural and acceptable is largely based on our social conditioning, not any true objective reality A couple of hundred years ago, we owned other humans with impunity in this nation In India (and a shit ton of the Middle East) it's common place for slavery to exist to this day, legally, although some cultures use other names to be more palatable I am not gay but I know people who are, and it is largely the least important thing about them A homosexual more likely to be a pedophile, indeed, most pedophiles are straight white males who identify themselves as xian And to compare homosexuality to pedophilia is tempting, but it is ultimately inaccurate. Homosexuality is a victimless crime - it involves mutually consenting adults who should be the sole legal governors of their sexuality as long as it isn't forced upon someone and/or doesn't involve a child, who has no legal authority to give consent If you have sex with a child, you have a victim If you have sex with a fellow consenting adult, you have a sex partner I was raised by people who would have rather hung a 'fag' than looked at one, and I was no different. I was raised in a virtually all-white, all-thumper, all-straight area and had no reason to question what I had been raised to believe - until one of my best friends in school came out as gay and I realized that this fact changed nothing about my relationship with him or his personality or anything about him that pertained to me It was my paradigm shift I've since had many LGBT friends, people who are incredibly similar to me aside from their sexual preferences - and I have never been one to poke into the details of my friend's sex lives anyway, so their sexuality has been totally irrelevant Anyway, I don't think that society should legislate or dictate morality and/or immorality that harms no one other than those participating. I don't want to live in a theocracy, I don't want to live in a nation that can dictate reproduction or who I can love/be intimate with. I realize that a lot of people feel as though homosexuality is frowned upon by their deity, but YOUR random spiritual beliefs should have no bearing on a stranger's existence - just as you don't want muslims coming over here and dictating your life choices through sharia law. You are my favorite person on GLP! You seem to always have well thought out, logical responses. DITTO~! Well, well said. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17599334 United States 01/16/2015 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Homophobes, like OP are often gay themselves, because they try to overcompensate to hide their own homosexuality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66579071 Standard retort of the LGBT community, and having no relevance to the discussion. Unlike the subject of this thread, I don't feel the need to validate my sexuality. You guys really should come up with something new, responses like yours are getting old. Uhm... this entire thread only exists because of your need to validate your sexuality...! Please tell me you're not that dense! Your post isn't about gays coming out, it's about you being straight and not having to do that. |
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User ID: 66273340 United States 01/16/2015 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39834772 And we have a winner! Glad some common sense still exists out there. Thanks What we consider normal, natural and acceptable is largely based on our social conditioning, not any true objective reality A couple of hundred years ago, we owned other humans with impunity in this nation In India (and a shit ton of the Middle East) it's common place for slavery to exist to this day, legally, although some cultures use other names to be more palatable I am not gay but I know people who are, and it is largely the least important thing about them A homosexual more likely to be a pedophile, indeed, most pedophiles are straight white males who identify themselves as xian And to compare homosexuality to pedophilia is tempting, but it is ultimately inaccurate. Homosexuality is a victimless crime - it involves mutually consenting adults who should be the sole legal governors of their sexuality as long as it isn't forced upon someone and/or doesn't involve a child, who has no legal authority to give consent If you have sex with a child, you have a victim If you have sex with a fellow consenting adult, you have a sex partner I was raised by people who would have rather hung a 'fag' than looked at one, and I was no different. I was raised in a virtually all-white, all-thumper, all-straight area and had no reason to question what I had been raised to believe - until one of my best friends in school came out as gay and I realized that this fact changed nothing about my relationship with him or his personality or anything about him that pertained to me It was my paradigm shift I've since had many LGBT friends, people who are incredibly similar to me aside from their sexual preferences - and I have never been one to poke into the details of my friend's sex lives anyway, so their sexuality has been totally irrelevant Anyway, I don't think that society should legislate or dictate morality and/or immorality that harms no one other than those participating. I don't want to live in a theocracy, I don't want to live in a nation that can dictate reproduction or who I can love/be intimate with. I realize that a lot of people feel as though homosexuality is frowned upon by their deity, but YOUR random spiritual beliefs should have no bearing on a stranger's existence - just as you don't want muslims coming over here and dictating your life choices through sharia law. You are my favorite person on GLP! You seem to always have well thought out, logical responses. DITTO~! Well, well said. Thanks and much love to both of you :) :hf::hf: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56993449 United States 01/16/2015 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :ohlook: Yawn. Another divisive thread. Why can't we just be a bunch of tin foil hat wearing people? Realize there are puppet masters and your just another religitard puppet wanting to incite hate talks? Grow up people are people. NWO is the enemy not your gay neighbor. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45591835 United States 01/16/2015 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First let me say, I in no way hate gay people. It is a sin, and we are all sinners. We all need Christ, only He can change anyone. I am a sinner, he delivered me from drinking, womanizing, etc. I literally do not desire those things anymore, because the more I learn about Him, the closer I get to Him and I want to live the way He tells me to live. Progressives and liberals can hee and haw and laugh, and I understand it better than they know...I used to BE a liberal progressive, and I know all the ins and outs of that mindset. It is a ridiculous position to hold, I know because I held it and matured out of it. That said, let us apply the "just accept" it argument in other areas. I like to lie to everyone about everything. It makes me feel good and better than I really am. You cannot trust a word out of my mouth, because lying is who I am as a person. I am not hurting anyone, so get over it and accept it. Don't give me some idiocy about God or morality, it is my choice to be who I want to be. Accept, lieophobes. You are just mad because you want to lie about everything too and you are too scared. A person enjoys looking at kid porn. It doesn't hurt anyone, no one knows. It makes them happy and they aren't hurting anyone. That is who they are. Maybe you don't admit it because you want to look at it. Get over it, accept it. Stop making a big deal out of it. A person wants to marry their horse. The horse doesn't care, it has no feelings about it. Who cares. Stop judging. Or how about this scenario. A little boy is growing up well, smart and happy. His parents teach him that sex is a thing for a man and a woman in marriage, to have babies and because God made it for a husband and a wife. The little boy says ok. Then the little boy sees two men or two women holding hands on TV. He is confused and asks his parents, who tell him that some people choose to go against God's way. In high school a group of gay students try and sway the boy towards trying gay sex. The boy is confused and since everyone on tv and in the news says that gay is normal, he decides that he should try it. The boy starts living the gay lifestyle, having sex with multiple partners. He contracts HIV and dies at 28. That actually happens. When you permeate the culture with sin, there are penalties. There is right and wrong. So scream hate, bigot, say I am an idiot. I am an intelligent ex liberal who woke up the reality of the world. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62178067 Canada 01/16/2015 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seen a rash of videos on the internet and celebrated in the media of people coming out of the closet to the their friends and family. They take a private matter of sexual orientation and broadcast it for the world to see. They are then interviewed by the media to celebrate their courage and bravery, encouraging others to film their coming out and posting it on the internet. Quoting: Rising Son I can't help but wonder why they feel the need to "come out" in the first place, let alone record it and post it on the internet, if they are comfortable with their sexuality. You don't see straight people doing this, and your sexuality is generally considered something personal. I am convinced that the individuals doing this are looking for both validation from others as well as attention. They are unsure of their sexuality and need confirmation from other people that it is okay. They also want to show the world they are gay to draw attention and praise to themselves to make them feel special. It is a private matter that should be discussed privately, not held up for the whole world to take notice. Doing something like this brings your credibility into question, because if you were secure in the sexuality, you wouldn't need validation from anyone. Being gay is not normal, but it is natural & perfectly acceptable. The reason people have to 'come out' is because we - as a society - are in the midst of transitioning from a bigoted, religion-based mentality to an informed, compassionate one. 50 years from now well-know people who are gay won't have to come out. For the moment they do to help the transition towards acceptance. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66991234 United States 01/16/2015 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Homophobes, like OP are often gay themselves, because they try to overcompensate to hide their own homosexuality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66579071 So you have studies that conclude scientifically that disagreement with homosexuality is necessarily a fear of homosexuals? Do you have a scientific definition of "fear," like brain scans? |
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