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SCIENCE GUY EXPLAINS HOW IT'S POSSIBLE AN UNDISCOVERED BROWN DWARF STAR CAN EXIST In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

 
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What this means to any 'lurking' brown star in our system, it would leave a decided gravitational wake, which would perturb the orbits of planets around the whole system in a manner that would pretty much pinpoint the location of a massive body.

Secondly, they are not black bodies, they do radiate and reflect electromagnet energies across a wide spectrum including light. Yes it is possible to have missed a large body with optics even today in the outer solar system, however the mapping of the whole of space with radio telescopes has been done and continually gets updated all the time.

A near brown dwarf would have signaled its presence via radio waves. And yes there are amateur radio astronomers out there.

Yes over long distances their radio power is too low to pick up more than the faintest of signals. However anything within the solar system is close enough to be detected.

We can still pickup the signals of Voyager craft and their transmissions are infinitesimally small compared to what a modest small brown dwarf can produce.
 Quoting: Aradzell


You're forgetting the 3600 orbit. It could be 1800 years away from us which is well beyond Pluto's orbit.
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Let's do some math about the 3,600 year orbit.

There is a simple formula that gives us the semi major axis when we know the orbital periode:

p^2 = a^3 with p = orbital periode in years and a = semi major axis in AU

a = (p^2)^1/3 = (3600^2)^1/3 = 12,960,000^1/3 = 234.9
Thus the semi major axis of Nibiru is 234.9 AU.

Since we know that it comes close to Earth at it's perihelion, we know the aphelion distance: 2 * 234.9 - 1 = 468,8 AU.

Sedna, a dwarf planet the size of about 1,000 km, was discovered when it was at a distance of 100 AU.
Now imagine a brown dwarf star 280 times the size of Sedna (280,000 km) at, in the worst case (furthest distance from the sun), only 4.5 times the distance away.

Easy to spot only by reflected sun light - even for amateur astronomers.



How many light years are 468,8 AU? - 0.0000158 light years.

OK, the brown dwarf in the picture below, imaged by Dr. Astro in the infrared spectrum, is 12 light years away.

:teegarden1:

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Thank you for this Hydra...I've always been curious about the math...
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Well what if the local brown dwarf was a black body? Yanno, eatting light?
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Do you even know what a Black body is? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Black body at what temperature? 200 K or 500 K? 1000 K? 2000 K?

You are the usual GLP illiterate who picks up some terms from other posts that sound good and parrots it, without even knowing the meaning of the terms and without looking up the meaning or of it applies to the current situation.

We are talking about a Brown dwarf star. Even if you idealize a Brown dwarf star as a Black body, you would get a Black body in the temperature range of 1000 K to 2000 K, emitting a lot of IR radiation and in the red sectrum. And of course a Brown dwarf star reflects light - per definition it's a failed star, composed mainly from Hydrogen.


Notice how there is no response to the black body question...
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still no word from the shills about my black body statement/question
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43094504

Notice that im not 24/7 on GLP - and notice that I'm in a different time zone?

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LOL...glad I learned to keep my big mouth shut when I don't know the answer :)

Hope you are well my friend and enjoying the weekend...

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Dr Astro is a NASA shill. You all must be stupid

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Well what if the local brown dwarf was a black body? Yanno, eatting light?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

Do you even know what a Black body is? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Black body at what temperature? 200 K or 500 K? 1000 K? 2000 K?

You are the usual GLP illiterate who picks up some terms from other posts that sound good and parrots it, without even knowing the meaning of the terms and without looking up the meaning or of it applies to the current situation.

We are talking about a Brown dwarf star. Even if you idealize a Brown dwarf star as a Black body, you would get a Black body in the temperature range of 1000 K to 2000 K, emitting a lot of IR radiation and in the red sectrum. And of course a Brown dwarf star reflects light - per definition it's a failed star, composed mainly from Hydrogen.


Notice how there is no response to the black body question...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

still no word from the shills about my black body statement/question
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43094504

Notice that im not 24/7 on GLP - and notice that I'm in a different time zone?

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LOL...glad I learned to keep my big mouth shut when I don't know the answer :)

Hope you are well my friend and enjoying the weekend...
 Quoting: Tampa Heather




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Bullshit

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

And btw: You forgot the WISE survey in you list of "infrared observatories in space"

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They're all hiding it idiot

sheeplebah
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They're all hiding it?

What can "they" hide, if amateur astronomers like Dr. Astro can image a brown dwarf star (Teegarden's star) 12 ly away? [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Oh, and btw: Amateur astronomers can easily image Pluto because it reflects sun light.
At what distance do you think amateur astronomers can image an object bigger than Jupiter that reflects sun light, too, when it enters our solar system.

Who is the idiot now?

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Dr Astro is a shill you stupid fuck.
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They're all hiding it idiot

sheeplebah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46411671

They're all hiding it?

What can "they" hide, if amateur astronomers like Dr. Astro can image a brown dwarf star (Teegarden's star) 12 ly away? [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Oh, and btw: Amateur astronomers can easily image Pluto because it reflects sun light.
At what distance do you think amateur astronomers can image an object bigger than Jupiter that reflects sun light, too, when it enters our solar system.

Who is the idiot now?

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Dr Astro is a shill you stupid fuck.
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waitwhat glassesoff
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Bullshit

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

And btw: You forgot the WISE survey in you list of "infrared observatories in space"

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 Quoting: Hydra


They're all hiding it idiot

sheeplebah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46411671

They're all hiding it?

What can "they" hide, if amateur astronomers like Dr. Astro can image a brown dwarf star (Teegarden's star) 12 ly away? [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Oh, and btw: Amateur astronomers can easily image Pluto because it reflects sun light.
At what distance do you think amateur astronomers can image an object bigger than Jupiter that reflects sun light, too, when it enters our solar system.

Who is the idiot now?

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Dr Astro is a shill you stupid fuck.
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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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I'm sure there are plenty of private sector IR birds up there...

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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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There used to be youtubes showing airbubbles floating in Chinese spacewalk videos. These proved the Chinese spacewalks were all faked in swimming pools. These videos were all removed from youtube. Likely the ISS is not even manned.
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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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There used to be youtubes showing airbubbles floating in Chinese spacewalk videos. These proved the Chinese spacewalks were all faked in swimming pools. These videos were all removed from youtube. Likely the ISS is not even manned.
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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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A manned space station would be a bad telescopy platform.
They vibrate and you can't point them any which way you like.

Hence dedicated space observatories like Herschel, which had a 140" mirror.
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I keep wondering why a decent sized Infra-red telescope has not been installed at ISS.

Perhaps the constant cargo mission to ISS would have to keep bringing up the Cryogenics from time to time to keep such a scope alive?

Seems a bit weird that we don't even have a 100" reflector visible light telescope installed on the ISS.
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Am manned space station would be a bad telescopy platform.
They vibrate and you can't point them any which way you like.

Hence dedicated space observatories like Herschel, which had a 140" mirror.
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Well what if the local brown dwarf was a black body? Yanno, eatting light?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

Do you even know what a Black body is? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Black body at what temperature? 200 K or 500 K? 1000 K? 2000 K?

You are the usual GLP illiterate who picks up some terms from other posts that sound good and parrots it, without even knowing the meaning of the terms and without looking up the meaning or of it applies to the current situation.

We are talking about a Brown dwarf star. Even if you idealize a Brown dwarf star as a Black body, you would get a Black body in the temperature range of 1000 K to 2000 K, emitting a lot of IR radiation and in the red sectrum. And of course a Brown dwarf star reflects light - per definition it's a failed star, composed mainly from Hydrogen.


Notice how there is no response to the black body question...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

still no word from the shills about my black body statement/question
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43094504

Notice that im not 24/7 on GLP - and notice that I'm in a different time zone?

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THIS SHILL ADMITTED HE'S A SHILL

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Notice how there is no response to the black body question...
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still no word from the shills about my black body statement/question
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43094504

Notice that im not 24/7 on GLP - and notice that I'm in a different time zone?

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THIS SHILL ADMITTED HE'S A SHILL

shill

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What this means to any 'lurking' brown star in our system, it would leave a decided gravitational wake, which would perturb the orbits of planets around the whole system in a manner that would pretty much pinpoint the location of a massive body.

Secondly, they are not black bodies, they do radiate and reflect electromagnet energies across a wide spectrum including light. Yes it is possible to have missed a large body with optics even today in the outer solar system, however the mapping of the whole of space with radio telescopes has been done and continually gets updated all the time.

A near brown dwarf would have signaled its presence via radio waves. And yes there are amateur radio astronomers out there.

Yes over long distances their radio power is too low to pick up more than the faintest of signals. However anything within the solar system is close enough to be detected.

We can still pickup the signals of Voyager craft and their transmissions are infinitesimally small compared to what a modest small brown dwarf can produce.
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You're forgetting the 3600 orbit. It could be 1800 years away from us which is well beyond Pluto's orbit.
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Let's do some math about the 3,600 year orbit.

There is a simple formula that gives us the semi major axis when we know the orbital periode:

p^2 = a^3 with p = orbital periode in years and a = semi major axis in AU

a = (p^2)^1/3 = (3600^2)^1/3 = 12,960,000^1/3 = 234.9
Thus the semi major axis of Nibiru is 234.9 AU.

Since we know that it comes close to Earth at it's perihelion, we know the aphelion distance: 2 * 234.9 - 1 = 468,8 AU.

Sedna, a dwarf planet the size of about 1,000 km, was discovered when it was at a distance of 100 AU.
Now imagine a brown dwarf star 280 times the size of Sedna (280,000 km) at, in the worst case (furthest distance from the sun), only 4.5 times the distance away.

Easy to spot only by reflected sun light - even for amateur astronomers.



How many light years are 468,8 AU? - 0.0000158 light years.

OK, the brown dwarf in the picture below, imaged by Dr. Astro in the infrared spectrum, is 12 light years away.

:teegarden1:

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Well what if the local brown dwarf was a black body? Yanno, eatting light?
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What if it has a Cloak of Invisibility?
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Well what if the local brown dwarf was a black body? Yanno, eatting light?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

Do you even know what a Black body is? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Black body at what temperature? 200 K or 500 K? 1000 K? 2000 K?

You are the usual GLP illiterate who picks up some terms from other posts that sound good and parrots it, without even knowing the meaning of the terms and without looking up the meaning or of it applies to the current situation.

We are talking about a Brown dwarf star. Even if you idealize a Brown dwarf star as a Black body, you would get a Black body in the temperature range of 1000 K to 2000 K, emitting a lot of IR radiation and in the red sectrum. And of course a Brown dwarf star reflects light - per definition it's a failed star, composed mainly from Hydrogen.


Notice how there is no response to the black body question...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23244749

still no word from the shills about my black body statement/question
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43094504

Notice that im not 24/7 on GLP - and notice that I'm in a different time zone?

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THIS SHILL ADMITTED HE'S A SHILL
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"Shill" is just a word used in a lame attempt to discredit those who disagree with you when you lack the ability to defend your own position.
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Assuming Nibiru is now further than Pluto, then from the earth's surface the only way to prove Nibiru's existence with a telescope would be a stellar occultation.
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not true! we would be able to detect the gravity changes, by things happening like the sun is in the wrong place, or the moon is in the wrong place.

well have you EVER seen a thread where somebody said the sun or moon is in the wrong place? no? then nubiri can't be real sorry

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yes we have seen a thread an it was correct the moon was not in its correct orbit...and our magnetic poles are moving rapidly...so now what is pulling on them and our outer planets being pulled on by something.....there is something out there.
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Assuming Nibiru is now further than Pluto, then from the earth's surface the only way to prove Nibiru's existence with a telescope would be a stellar occultation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46308100


not true! we would be able to detect the gravity changes, by things happening like the sun is in the wrong place, or the moon is in the wrong place.

well have you EVER seen a thread where somebody said the sun or moon is in the wrong place? no? then nubiri can't be real sorry

drama
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yes we have seen a thread an it was correct the moon was not in its correct orbit...and our magnetic poles are moving rapidly...so now what is pulling on them and our outer planets being pulled on by something.....there is something out there.
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If the Moon is not in the correct orbit, how do old GOTO telescopes track it effortlessly? How can old tide charts still be correct?





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