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A. Smoker User ID: 112503 United States 07/28/2006 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Gawd ... ""I'm sick of it. I'm surprised I've lived this long," said the 75-year-old man." Isn't that proof enough smoking is NO BIG DEAL? That dude is brainwashed to the max. Smoke, be proud of it, and never ever let them jab you with this shot. Betcha they make it mandatory for kids if it works........ Shit, what a fucked up world we live in. |
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A. Smoker User ID: 112503 United States 07/28/2006 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only dementia case was in a lifelong nonsmoker. The smokers died with their minds intact at rather old ages (80's and 90's), unless they drank - that cuts the lifespan down to around 60. Ironically, not a single case of lung cancer. And you wonder why I don't believe a word of what they package as health news. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 120899 United States 07/28/2006 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm concerned about the side effects? Smokers don't live long enough to get dementia a far more nasty disease. Quoting: SUPER STRUCTUREI'm not a proponent of smoking and I don't smoke myself, but my great aunt is 90 and has been a smoker most of her life. No dementia, either. She lives by herself and is quite alright for a woman her age. She's not a heavy smoker, though, more like moderate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 107796 United States 07/28/2006 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quick Question about this article - what if someone takes the vaccine, its not reversible, and they get so frustrated from not being able to get nicotine pleasure that they go intensely insane from craving and withdrawal and extremely regret the irreversable vaccine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 123466also what if the vaccine doesnt target nicotine (news stories are often filled with inaccuracies when reporting on medical things). what if the vaccines mechanism of action is to block final pleasure pathways? the vaccine would have serious depression causing effects and ruin someone's brain if so. I think the latter is more plausable, what a nightmare that would be. |
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User ID: 113430 Japan 07/28/2006 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a vast difference between natural immunity acquired as nature intended it and the invasive immunization practice derived from vaccination. Immediately after birth, newborn infants who are breast fed, receive antibodies through their mother’s milk. When a child or adult gets a disease naturally, the virus or bacteria travels through the nose or mouth into the lungs and into the circulatory and lymphatic systems, providing antibody and cellular protection. In contrast, when concentrated pathogenic microorganisms are injected directly into the body, they bypass the natural defense system and disease sets in. This challenges the immune system, and immunity is often short-lived. When one understands what exactly is in these vaccines and how they are made, one would wonder how vaccines could possibly be of any benefit to health. Vaccines are produced from either dead or live attenuated (weakened) disease microorganisms. In the dead vaccines, viruses or bacteria have been have been inactivated by heat, radiation or poisonous chemicals. However, there is no guarantee that all of the microorganisms have been killed. If just one microbe survives it can multiply very rapidly and actually create the disease. This has been known to happen. In fact, every case of polio during the 1980’s was caused by the polio vaccine. Vaccines created from live attenuated viruses and bacteria are made from the pus of animals that have been infected with disease and then butchered. In these vaccines, the live virus must be weakened by passing the virus through animal tissue several times to reduce its potency for human use. The measles virus is passed through chick embryos, the polio virus through monkey kidneys, and the rubella virus through the dissected organs of an aborted human (yes human!) fetus. The weakened germ is then stabilized by adding drugs, antibiotics, and toxic disinfectants such as neomycin, streptomycin, aluminum hydroxide, formaldehyde, and thimerosal (a mercury derivative). Studies have shown that even microscopic dosages of some of these substances can lead to cancer, neurological damage, and death. Because of the way vaccines are prepared, additional contaminants may pose more serious concerns. During the serial passage of viruses through the animal cells, foreign genetic material (animal RNA and DNA) is transferred from one host to another. This biological matter is then injected directly into the human body. According to some researchers, this could change our genetic makeup. The vaccine development process also allows undetected animal viruses to jump the species barrier. This actually happened during the 1950’s and 1960’s when millions of people were infected with polio vaccines that were contaminated with Simian Virus #40 contracted from the monkey organs used to prepare the vaccines. This virus is a powerful immunosuppressor and trigger for the HIV virus. It is said to cause a condition similar to AIDS, and has been found in brain tumors, leukemia and other forms of human cancer. Are vaccines effective in preventing disease? The evidence proves that they are not. According to the international mortality statistics, there was at least a 95% decline in the incidence and severity of these diseases before the introduction of their vaccines. Measles has apparently returned, with a death rate twenty times higher than before the measles vaccine became available. Before England passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1853, the highest death rate from smallpox in any two-year period was 2,000 cases. However between 1870 and 1872 alone, 45,000 people died from smallpox. Not surprisingly, deaths from smallpox fell dramatically after people began refusing the shots. The DPT (Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus) vaccine is perhaps the most controversial childhood vaccine. According to pediatrician Dr. Lendon Smith, nearly all doctors have seen whooping cough (pertussis) in children who have been fully vaccinated with this shot. Side effects for the DPT shot range from high fever, continuous high-pitched screaming, severe rashes, diarrhea, choking, apnea, seizures, mental and physical retardation, and in many cases, death. A study done by Dr. Michel Odent found that children receiving the pertussis vaccine were more than six times more likely to develop asthma than children not receiving the vaccine. Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) was virtually unheard of until this vaccine was routinely given. The Japanese noticed this relationship and began delaying DPT vaccination until two years of age at which time SIDS disappeared. In the U.S., SIDS deaths average 8,000 per year. American babies still receive their first DPT shot at two months of age. Other known vaccine-related side effects are attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity, arthritis, hydroencephalopy (fluid buildup on the brain), multiple sclerosis, meningitis, ulcerative colitis, crohn’s disease and chronic fatigue syndrome. Some of these diseases may not surface for up to forty years. The Gulf War Syndrome has also been linked to vaccinations and drug experimentation done on soldiers. It is interesting to note that, while military personnel from several countries participated in this war, only the U.S. military suffers from this syndrome. Authorities will often warn of dangerous epidemics pending in a fear-based campaign to get parents to vaccinate their children. In 1991, newspapers in Placitas, New Mexico warned of a dangerous whooping cough epidemic, but only three cases of whooping cough were discovered, all in children who were vaccinated. Because of the extensive cases of vaccine-induced injury and death, and related lawsuits against the companies who produced the vaccines, The National Childhood Injury Act was created in 1986 to compensate families whose children had been injured or died from vaccines. From July, 1990 to March, 1994 more than 34,000 cases of injury were reported, including hundreds of cases of brain damage and over 700 deaths. These numbers represent only 10% of actual cases, since according to the FDA, 90% of doctors do not report vaccine reactions. Compensation comes from a federal fund, not from the vaccine manufacturers. It is funded by a percentage of the cost of each vaccine, paid for by the patient at the time the vaccine is given. This practice effectively exempts both the government and vaccine manufacturers from taking responsibility for vaccine damage. In spite of all the evidence against the efficacy and safety of vaccines plans are in the works for a "super vaccine" or "magic bullet" vaccine containing raw DNA from forty different kinds of bacteria and viruses. This vaccine would be given to all newborn infants and time-released in the body throughout life. [link to www.sunherb.com] The Reptilian Elite are planning economic collapse, martial law and micro-chipping next year (2007). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 123466 United States 07/28/2006 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 123466 United States 07/28/2006 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quick Question about this article - what if someone takes the vaccine, its not reversible, and they get so frustrated from not being able to get nicotine pleasure that they go intensely insane from craving and withdrawal and extremely regret the irreversable vaccine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 107796also what if the vaccine doesnt target nicotine (news stories are often filled with inaccuracies when reporting on medical things). what if the vaccines mechanism of action is to block final pleasure pathways? the vaccine would have serious depression causing effects and ruin someone's brain if so. I think the latter is more plausable, what a nightmare that would be. It doesnt make sense that a vaccine could target a chemical compound - its probably a dopamine blockade vaccine of some sort that would interfere with the final common pathways of reward, a very very bad move . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 107796 United States 07/28/2006 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But if they really cared they would just ban tobacco all together.. Probibly a creation of the tobacco industry to replace loss profits. My sis and bro and law tried the laser crap. Worked for 1 of them. Its all in your head anyways. If one doesn't make a hard effort to quit and go through the pain and suffering of quitting, they will never be able to quit. Man is no expert in matters of the brain anyways, a poor canidate to offer anything to this cause. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 107796 United States 07/28/2006 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | smoking prevents parkinsons and dementia because smoking is good for the brain - its neuroprotective. the brain is the only thing smoking is good for. perhaps the immune system has well. those are the health benefits. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 123466I agree, there is no way to know about the health effects of processed vs. natural tobacco, all of the studies were/are done after huge moneys got involved with tobacco after the poisons were being added. In fact they even say natural tobacco is WORSE for you than regulated, poisoned, tobacco. I've been acutally thinking about growing my own tobacco. Remember seeing a picture of some OLD lady in cuba, she was a cigar maker. The picture was of her smoking a cigar, she was like late 90's in age. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 107773 United States 07/28/2006 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quick Question about this article - what if someone takes the vaccine, its not reversible, and they get so frustrated from not being able to get nicotine pleasure that they go intensely insane from craving and withdrawal and extremely regret the irreversable vaccine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 123466also what if the vaccine doesnt target nicotine (news stories are often filled with inaccuracies when reporting on medical things). what if the vaccines mechanism of action is to block final pleasure pathways? the vaccine would have serious depression causing effects and ruin someone's brain if so. OP-- These are excellent questions... I would never get one of these vaccines until the long term effects are known. I've read about other vaccines that are being considered for preventing other drug addictions. The idea behind them is to prevent dopaminergic neural pathways from causing a 'reward' response after taking an addictive drug. The problem is that this reward response is an important part of normal human activity. For example, what happens if the brain can't reward itself for a 'job well done?' Or, what happens if you fail to get satisfaction from learning a new skill? The vaccine may have the effect removing the natural human brain process that motivates us to work, play, or learn. |
LordMoon User ID: 105876 United States 07/28/2006 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the UK they've already developed a program for mandatory vacination of all school children, much like vaccination for measeles, etc. In the future all school children will be vacinated against ciggarettes, cocaine, Heroin, Meth and Cannabis... Vacines are all being developed for these drugs as well... |
The OP User ID: 124474 United States 07/30/2006 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quick Question about this article - what if someone takes the vaccine, its not reversible, and they get so frustrated from not being able to get nicotine pleasure that they go intensely insane from craving and withdrawal and extremely regret the irreversable vaccine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 107773also what if the vaccine doesnt target nicotine (news stories are often filled with inaccuracies when reporting on medical things). what if the vaccines mechanism of action is to block final pleasure pathways? the vaccine would have serious depression causing effects and ruin someone's brain if so. OP-- These are excellent questions... I would never get one of these vaccines until the long term effects are known. I've read about other vaccines that are being considered for preventing other drug addictions. The idea behind them is to prevent dopaminergic neural pathways from causing a 'reward' response after taking an addictive drug. The problem is that this reward response is an important part of normal human activity. For example, what happens if the brain can't reward itself for a 'job well done?' Or, what happens if you fail to get satisfaction from learning a new skill? The vaccine may have the effect removing the natural human brain process that motivates us to work, play, or learn. Precisely - you understand perfectly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 124474 United States 07/30/2006 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is idiotic - they want to cause a numbing of dopamine pathways - it would screw you up badly because the same part of the brain that responds to nicotine or euphoriants is also what causes motivation, drive, good feelings from: learning new things, getting things done, love, affection, enjoying ANYTHING even a movie for instance. |
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KY6 User ID: 113188 United Kingdom 07/30/2006 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm concerned about the side effects? Smokers don't live long enough to get dementia a far more nasty disease. Quoting: SUPER STRUCTUREActually they do. It's a very specific disease called vascular dementia (as opposed to senile dementia). Essentialy the victim keeps suffering mini strokes and their mental capacity drops in steps untill they die. My mother suffered from it and I was informed of the disease progression and most frequent cause by her phsician. She finally died from it last Nov. after a 5 year decline. |