whats your perfect 2 gun (per person) riot/looting defense choice?

Nice! I want me one.

Don't forget a scoped target grade .22LR rifle....take a page from the Israelis....they use Scoped Ruger 10/22s to break up groups of protesters with leg shots....pick out the leaders or agitators of the mob and kneecap em...

Semi auto ar.
When you absolutely have to kill everyone in the room.

L1A1 and M1897 Trenchgun with bayonet.

Auto Assault-12 (AA-12) with a bunch of 32-shell drum magazines. The most prominent feature is reduced recoil. Better than 2 guns.
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With that kind of defense, I'm sure you'll see the other side first!

Don't stagger loads, unless you practices that way.
You need to know what's coming out the end of your barrel.
Fill it with Slugs or Buck; Pick one, and be confident.
(For Example: I'd prefer Slugs, but my 'better-half' feels more confident knowing there's room for error.
So it gets filled with 00, my go-to is the AR anyway.)




Both are in range of the AR..
That's not the point..

CQB in a tight space is 'easier'/'safer' with a pistol.

You pull it right up to your chest,
barrel forward,
elbows pressed on your sides,
gun held so tight your shaking.
Using your torso like a tank turret,
so whatever is in front of you,
is also in front of your gun.

That BS you see in movies, folks waking around in Isosceles, or Weaver..
You don't do that..
You can take a gun outta' someones hands so fucking quick, you won't even know how screwed you are 'till it's over.

I have a 30 round magazine well I actually looks like a drum, for my 9mm but I have never used it. It is more for a conversation piece but it is pretty awesome looking.

Compound crossbow with broadhead bolts. I dont like giving my position away and like yanking out the bolts just to do some extra damage

I also have one of these with a red dot scope. I just am not fast enough with loading it to feel safe so I will stick with my semi auto...lol

5.56 semi-auto & 9mm semi-auto

5.56- .30 Cal is just to damn heavy, and I don't reckon I'll be needing the range of a 308, soo.. yeah, I'll go with the gofer round.

9mm- yeah yeah, I don't wanna' hear it.
147gr HST make a fucking mess, and I can drive nails.(literally)
I DO stagger my Pistol rounds(In my stored mags), two +P FMJ, for every, one +P HP.(same POI)
I can't afford to stack HP deep, cause I never got them cheap.

A 12 Gauge and a Taser, because sometimes you don't have to kill, but only defense yourself and repel the enemy.

Plasma rifle in the 140mW range for the primary. Infrasonic heart masher for the up close and personal stuff

Good luck..

1rd of 12g= 1.6ish oz
x33
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52.8oz = 3lbs

3lbs
xbunch(6?)
____
18lbs
+ the gun(AA or Saiga), and the mags..

12g ammo weighs a lot..
and drum-fed(or box fed, for that matter) 12g are notoriously prone to feeding issues.

Plus the bulk of it all..

Definitely the Ohio Ordnance Works HCAR. 30 rounds of full auto 30 06.


and for second probably 9mm or 10mm glock

You can't have that, unless you kill an "official" and take it.

CZ P97 .45acp
Mini-14

they are legal in a lot of states, the repeal of the federal gun laws means only your state laws really matter. A lot of states let you have pretty much anything.

that Colorado shooter guy had double drum magazines which are legal there I guess.

Hard to believe a lot of the stuff that is actually legal now, silencers and everything. The anti-gun crowd is actually a blessing to gun owners because they don't even understand much of the specifics so they tend to alienate everyone from the idea of any sort of regulation.

mossy 500 and glock 17

if you said AA12, please for god's sake get off the video games and get some real world knowledge

everybody else..........great choices.

really no wrong answer, except AA12.

Hard to disagree with this.

HK 21 UBF
308 cal BELT FED MACHINE GUN
(for suppression of the looting Mobs)
M1911
45 cal with extra mags.
(for individual looters)

Anytime the semi-accurate spray of lead is required
in solving life's little problems, the AK-47 cannot
be forgotten as a primary weapon of choice.

And as far a "2 guns" with an AK you only need an AK.

A wheelbarrow full of loaded mags would be nice as well.

my two street sweepers ready to go ...

Remington 1100 semi auto with 10 round magazine extension .... carrying another 30 rounds of 00 Buck on sling & butt .... 5 slugs on the sideplate ...

900 38 caliber pellets in 12 seconds ....

5.56 and 9mm

Nice choice, although I would chosen Mossberg 590 A1 Short Barrel nice riot gun and the SW 357 magnum.

Are we talking fantasy (dream gun) or reality (as in, you actually own the firearms in question, these two would be your roll-out if doom is on starting NOW).

Fantasy (let's have a nice little day-dream)

MA Deuce belt-fed, truck mounted.
Full Auto AR-15

Reality (stuff I have now, that I would roll with if doom is on)

7.62x39 AR-15
9mm CZ-75b (tuned action)

I know and trust these from much experience, plenty of mags and ammo on hand. Have a duplicate of the CZ and if it's not bending the rules too far I would carry both.

Wife would roll with her 5.56 AR-15 and Springfield XD-9.

Same reason, she knows and trusts them implicitly through much experience.

I think the AR-10 is a capable gun but honestly I will tell you that compared to the AR-15 you will get tired lugging it around, there is a significant weight difference. I really don't expect to be engaging "looters" out past 200 yards which is where the .308 really starts to shine in comparison to intermediate cartridges like 5.56 and x39. Frankly I think .300 BLK is a GREAT cartridge for this kind of work but my .300 BLK pistol build is not complete yet and I haven't laid in a stock of ammo for it. The other calibers we bought cheap and stacked deep so no worries there.

I like 12 gauge as a defensive round, I really do, but if you're talking multiple assailants ( a mob, crowd or horde) it's just too slow to keep fed, and hella heavy to lug around. Better hope your plan doesn't go sideways and you have to run for it, you're talking a lot of weight and bulk if you're talking a few hundred shotgun shells. It's just not a good choice for run-n-gun. Now, as a static defense choice against just one or two assailants, it really shines and for this reason I keep one by the bed.

I hear a lot about guns in these "urban crisis" "civil unrest" threads but how about we have some discussion about more mundane topics such as boarding up streetside windows, having fire extinguishers and garden hoses in position to be deployed against vandalism. How to protect your car from tires slashed, windows broken. How many people have a garage they can actually get a car into these days?

Guns are great, I'm a big believer - but how about checking the first aid kit to make sure you can bandage up a family member who got clocked with a brick on the way home and has a serious bleeding scalp laceration? You just saw on TV your local hospital is in flames... oops, no ER to stitch up your loved one. Can you manage until things calm down?

BTW back on the topic of guns - if you use optics (such as a red dot or such) do the batteries still work? How long since you checked? Speaking of batteries, how's your light situation? Can't hit what you can't see, and firing off random shots in the dark is a good way to get a bystander or a neighbor plugged. Got a light on that gun? Do those batteries still work? How about a head lamp? Try holding a flashlight while you try to stuff rounds in a magazine or clear a jam. You'll quickly realize how frustrating that can be. Headlamps make a big difference, as do general area-lamps. Try reading a newspaper or a book by candle light. Sure, it can be done, but you have to be uncomfortably close to the candle and the eyestrain soon becomes unbearable. A headlamp makes a world of difference. Same for knitting (my wife's hobby) or for working on a recalcitrant generator or pouring gas into a tank. HEADLAMPS. You can thank me later for that tip.

I plan on not going it alone. Two up high with 308 or 30.06 bolt actions with scopes. Ground level AR 15 or AK, women with 12 gauge 00.