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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

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 Quoting: Seer777


I have a reply to your topic.

I prefer to see people acknowledge their dark side.

Than pretend it does not exist.

Not to be quick to morally call it to question.

But honestly declare, "I hate that person".

Honestly declare, "I am jealous".

I believe the bigger menace is denial of these primal feelings.

As to whether these primal feelings should exist at all, that is the next area to step into, but certainly being to quick to taboo them is no help in this.

An example might be, "If nature can be cruel I cannot see why I cannot", which Hitler said.

I find this quote first intriguing, and somewhat daring, in that giving an eye into why perhaps nature kills us in the first place.

So very much so, perhaps many morals are simply twisted measurements of a self righteousness, and hate in itself could be considered a love so strong, it has not yet found company to make it seen.

As for vengeance, who makes it wrong or right? Who makes it a sin or just? If you can live with yourself, that is all that makes it valid.
 Quoting: Lil' Red

Very well said.

At the time of this thread's conceiving I found myself faced with both helplessness incredible anger, and a feeling of betrayal. I found myself entertaining dark thoughts I was not use to dealing with. Looking back it seems silly now, but in the moment it was all I could do to talk myself away from the anger.

Justice vs. Revenge had been a reoccurring topic for me over the previous years, and I brought it together on this thread.

I have considered what most people call 'Love', is in part, the fear of losing them.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Continuing then, fear of Loss, controls human action in several often, reactive ways. And has its hand in many of the more destructive emotions of Mankind. Jealousy, Anger, being two of the more common, and reason many suffer loss of relationship.

If one knows true loss, that soul and throat crushing agony... One realizes every moment after, all to whom you offer your heart could find the same fate. I think that is why people grow bitter and reject new relationships.

I see it a lot here, on GLP. Everyone loves something. Wether person, place, or thing. Try taking it away and watch the beast rise.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Nice progession, you two. :)

I've considered that Ethos is like water in its ability to drown, like fire in its ability to blacken.

Pathos is like water in its resilience & ability to cleanse, but like fire in its flamboyance & desire for oxygen.

To many, "loss" means not an obliviation of preciousness, but a hit to the ego, a force so prominent that it carried with it an illusion of pleasure.

So, solemnity being the most compatible component of Ethos, we get "law over me, with wonderous patho-spree."

To me, the spirit of revenge is any enlivenment whatsoever.
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Ha, pro-guess-on.

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Fucking leave then bitch
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No.

I'll leave when I choose.

One more and you're blocked. Then you can go cry about it on the pOet thread.
 Quoting: Seer777


I read on that thread some posters saying they missed you, seemed legit, I thought it was nice.
 Quoting: orbs 69281553


Heya James. I was thinking about you today.

Yes, I saw that some days back. Huck and I found middle ground, thankfully. I stay off that thread. But I still read it.

If you allow it, missing friends here can become a full time feeling.
 Quoting: Seer777


Everyone is their own master, I have no right to allow or disallow anything, but you or any else should know I am not interested in enemies of any sort.
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I think the op was soph.

This is related to the convo going on between you and cerebrose, possibly.

According to some theories a large part of the human population on earth are not real humans. Instead they are said to be more like automatons, to not have souls och at least lack the higher spiritual faculties that other humans have. What got me interested in this is partly that it's not a new theory. These not quite human beings, have been called the "pre-Adamic race" and Ouspensky calls them "the descendants of the animals".

In his book "Talks with a devil" he let's a "devil" explain how Adam and Eve were different from the human-like creatures that were already on earth. In his version the devils are wholly material, and can't even conceive of a realm of existence beyond this. So when Adam and Eve proved to have spiritual abilities, it scared the devils. They want all humans to remain in the physical world, and see this as actually helping them. So they got one of their own to introduce A&E to the fruit, which in the book is described like some kind of addictive substance. This with time made them more like the descendants of the animals. Later these races also intermingled...

I've thought about this... Let me first make it clear that I don't really believe in any of this. I just see it as interesting and food for thought.

Well... If the pre-Adamic humans weren't in the garden of Eden, then they didn't eat of the fruit. Would that mean that they in effect mean they are free from original sin? But what did the fruit really do? I don't see it as Ouspensky did... The fruit gave them knowledge of good and evil. This could actually be seen as acquiring a conscience. As they are described in the bible prior to eating the fruit, they seem to me more like Pinocchio or perhaps like children. They don't really know what is right or wrong, and can be easily led astray. That was one of the reasons it was so easy for the serpent to deceive them. They were also "shameless" since they walked around naked without caring about it at all. It's also this that God first asks them about when He returns to the garden. "Who told you that you are naked"?

So the pre-Adamics would according to this line of thought lack the ability to distinguish between right and wrong and be more shameless. Psychopaths are in newer versions of these theories seen as malfunctioning organic portals. The mentioned traits do most certainly apply to them. Another connection is that psychopaths see themselves as innocent whatever they do. This may not only because they lack the ability to feel regret or a true sense of shame.

According to what is said about organic portals, the lack "souled" qualities. To make up for this, they supposedly take or borrow some of these when they interact with ordinary humans. This of course to appear humane and normal. This would then mean an organic portal would lose these qualities completely when interacting with someone who don't possess them.

So what do you think about these ideas? As I wrote it's (at least as far as I'm concerned) only speculation.
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I meant lil red.

Is early.
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You need to be productive in your deliverance of Justice.
If it doesnt stop the crime its pointless.
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I think the op was soph.

This is related to the convo going on between you and cerebrose, possibly.

According to some theories a large part of the human population on earth are not real humans. Instead they are said to be more like automatons, to not have souls och at least lack the higher spiritual faculties that other humans have. What got me interested in this is partly that it's not a new theory. These not quite human beings, have been called the "pre-Adamic race" and Ouspensky calls them "the descendants of the animals".

In his book "Talks with a devil" he let's a "devil" explain how Adam and Eve were different from the human-like creatures that were already on earth. In his version the devils are wholly material, and can't even conceive of a realm of existence beyond this. So when Adam and Eve proved to have spiritual abilities, it scared the devils. They want all humans to remain in the physical world, and see this as actually helping them. So they got one of their own to introduce A&E to the fruit, which in the book is described like some kind of addictive substance. This with time made them more like the descendants of the animals. Later these races also intermingled...

I've thought about this... Let me first make it clear that I don't really believe in any of this. I just see it as interesting and food for thought.

Well... If the pre-Adamic humans weren't in the garden of Eden, then they didn't eat of the fruit. Would that mean that they in effect mean they are free from original sin? But what did the fruit really do? I don't see it as Ouspensky did... The fruit gave them knowledge of good and evil. This could actually be seen as acquiring a conscience. As they are described in the bible prior to eating the fruit, they seem to me more like Pinocchio or perhaps like children. They don't really know what is right or wrong, and can be easily led astray. That was one of the reasons it was so easy for the serpent to deceive them. They were also "shameless" since they walked around naked without caring about it at all. It's also this that God first asks them about when He returns to the garden. "Who told you that you are naked"?

So the pre-Adamics would according to this line of thought lack the ability to distinguish between right and wrong and be more shameless. Psychopaths are in newer versions of these theories seen as malfunctioning organic portals. The mentioned traits do most certainly apply to them. Another connection is that psychopaths see themselves as innocent whatever they do. This may not only because they lack the ability to feel regret or a true sense of shame.

According to what is said about organic portals, the lack "souled" qualities. To make up for this, they supposedly take or borrow some of these when they interact with ordinary humans. This of course to appear humane and normal. This would then mean an organic portal would lose these qualities completely when interacting with someone who don't possess them.

So what do you think about these ideas? As I wrote it's (at least as far as I'm concerned) only speculation.
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 Quoting: orbs 34939058


Hi,

I read the above.

The genesis story is very compelling.

And as the above mentions, yes, it is as if they went from "non awareness" as an animal is, instinctual, to having some split awareness, a conscience, as if one eye within watches what they do, and constantly reflects on ones own doings.

Possibly also, "the ego" the knowledge of what one is, rather than just being "the what you are".

Having the "ego" and knowing of the ego, one can then progress, evolve, or devolve.

Yet it says, that this way of being, that they will surely die.

Thus, I challenge my conscience, the ideas of good and evil, and I would admit, I am more like a psychopath, than an average human. Because I know the ideas of good and evil are entirely subjective.

I also say to myself, "why have shame?" it makes you feel bad, so just simply, do not have it. Or "why have guilt"? it makes you feel bad, so simply do not have it.

This is the level I operate on, and I have no doubt all the moralists would label me evil, yet why should their judgement bother me either?
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I have a reply to your topic.

I prefer to see people acknowledge their dark side.

Than pretend it does not exist.

Not to be quick to morally call it to question.

But honestly declare, "I hate that person".

Honestly declare, "I am jealous".

I believe the bigger menace is denial of these primal feelings.

As to whether these primal feelings should exist at all, that is the next area to step into, but certainly being to quick to taboo them is no help in this.

An example might be, "If nature can be cruel I cannot see why I cannot", which Hitler said.

I find this quote first intriguing, and somewhat daring, in that giving an eye into why perhaps nature kills us in the first place.

So very much so, perhaps many morals are simply twisted measurements of a self righteousness, and hate in itself could be considered a love so strong, it has not yet found company to make it seen.

As for vengeance, who makes it wrong or right? Who makes it a sin or just? If you can live with yourself, that is all that makes it valid.
 Quoting: Lil' Red

Very well said.

At the time of this thread's conceiving I found myself faced with both helplessness incredible anger, and a feeling of betrayal. I found myself entertaining dark thoughts I was not use to dealing with. Looking back it seems silly now, but in the moment it was all I could do to talk myself away from the anger.

Justice vs. Revenge had been a reoccurring topic for me over the previous years, and I brought it together on this thread.

I have considered what most people call 'Love', is in part, the fear of losing them.
 Quoting: Seer777


I consider "love" like this:

This thing/person improves my mental state of being. Therefore, it is most known, as you have said, through absence. And via that absence it is shown more clearly. I personally, do not "love" anyone.

As said in the above post, I have entered the more cold emotionless state, however this is more "blissful" than any "love" I have had, if you can understand that. My goal has always been, to not require or need any other human, to transcend what is human.

Thus, I consider "love" a weakness, as if you love any other person, it makes them your "creator" as you must "win that love". (please understand most humans would vehemently disagree on this because they see "their love" in their own illusion)

As for "loving" other human beings. I ask myself, does death love them? I mean, shouldn't "my love" be as cold hearted as they are imperfect?

That is why I seldom use the word love, as it is vague and double meaning. Perhaps respect is the better word. I respect, those who can transcend human ways. Those who cannot do that, I have tolerance for, but this is growing thinner by the day, as I must suffer them being enclosed in this same space that we share.

Thus I am all for a "quickening" of sorting out those who cannot transcend their human ways, and those who can. I do not so much have any moral emotion to other people. Rather, I am bold enough to declare if they are making my existence poor, like an insect might buzz, I prefer I had a big fly swat for them.

Logically, I can only desire my own well-being. People who wish to suffer for others? it makes no sense, unless it gave a long-term personal reward. As stated, I am aware I will be called evil, but these "good" people I consider backward and lost in their own "self righteous" behaviours, yet they act hypocritically anyway.

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You need to be productive in your deliverance of Justice.
If it doesnt stop the crime its pointless.
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Being humane is all the justice needed.
I do not see any criminals.
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I think the op was soph.

This is related to the convo going on between you and cerebrose, possibly.

According to some theories a large part of the human population on earth are not real humans. Instead they are said to be more like automatons, to not have souls och at least lack the higher spiritual faculties that other humans have. What got me interested in this is partly that it's not a new theory. These not quite human beings, have been called the "pre-Adamic race" and Ouspensky calls them "the descendants of the animals".

In his book "Talks with a devil" he let's a "devil" explain how Adam and Eve were different from the human-like creatures that were already on earth. In his version the devils are wholly material, and can't even conceive of a realm of existence beyond this. So when Adam and Eve proved to have spiritual abilities, it scared the devils. They want all humans to remain in the physical world, and see this as actually helping them. So they got one of their own to introduce A&E to the fruit, which in the book is described like some kind of addictive substance. This with time made them more like the descendants of the animals. Later these races also intermingled...

I've thought about this... Let me first make it clear that I don't really believe in any of this. I just see it as interesting and food for thought.

Well... If the pre-Adamic humans weren't in the garden of Eden, then they didn't eat of the fruit. Would that mean that they in effect mean they are free from original sin? But what did the fruit really do? I don't see it as Ouspensky did... The fruit gave them knowledge of good and evil. This could actually be seen as acquiring a conscience. As they are described in the bible prior to eating the fruit, they seem to me more like Pinocchio or perhaps like children. They don't really know what is right or wrong, and can be easily led astray. That was one of the reasons it was so easy for the serpent to deceive them. They were also "shameless" since they walked around naked without caring about it at all. It's also this that God first asks them about when He returns to the garden. "Who told you that you are naked"?

So the pre-Adamics would according to this line of thought lack the ability to distinguish between right and wrong and be more shameless. Psychopaths are in newer versions of these theories seen as malfunctioning organic portals. The mentioned traits do most certainly apply to them. Another connection is that psychopaths see themselves as innocent whatever they do. This may not only because they lack the ability to feel regret or a true sense of shame.

According to what is said about organic portals, the lack "souled" qualities. To make up for this, they supposedly take or borrow some of these when they interact with ordinary humans. This of course to appear humane and normal. This would then mean an organic portal would lose these qualities completely when interacting with someone who don't possess them.

So what do you think about these ideas? As I wrote it's (at least as far as I'm concerned) only speculation.
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 Quoting: orbs 34939058


Hi,

I read the above.

The genesis story is very compelling.

And as the above mentions, yes, it is as if they went from "non awareness" as an animal is, instinctual, to having some split awareness, a conscience, as if one eye within watches what they do, and constantly reflects on ones own doings.

Possibly also, "the ego" the knowledge of what one is, rather than just being "the what you are".

Having the "ego" and knowing of the ego, one can then progress, evolve, or devolve.

Yet it says, that this way of being, that they will surely die.

Thus, I challenge my conscience, the ideas of good and evil, and I would admit, I am more like a psychopath, than an average human. Because I know the ideas of good and evil are entirely subjective.

I also say to myself, "why have shame?" it makes you feel bad, so just simply, do not have it. Or "why have guilt"? it makes you feel bad, so simply do not have it.

This is the level I operate on, and I have no doubt all the moralists would label me evil, yet why should their judgement bother me either?
 Quoting: Lil' Red


You evil fucker. Lol.

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People come and people go
But none of them really knows
Knows the pain that I go through
From my interactions with you
To be my friend I let you in
Open my heart and let it sing
So the slightest judder
In my chasm
Causes my emotions to go in to spasm

It is a work in progress
A diligent conquest
Of me and mine
To be caught up in this merry Rhyme
Is not something one wishes for the others
Even if they be very old friends sisters or brothers
So with that in mind
Please don't mistake me for being unkind
Just at work on my fickle moods
My extrovert broods

Take care and see you around
I often enjoy the presence your words make
The presence of sound
Interaction is not a no
Just opening heart is a no go
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

:PerfectBalance:
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They will feel my vengeance.
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I read your words before you deleted them, Paler. Beautiful indeed. I did know of Kwan Lin(?), but was uncertain how spell her name.

Forgive my silence of late. I would like to address the new posts after I get home from Market tonight, if I have the energy. I feel I will.
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I have a reply to your topic.

I prefer to see people acknowledge their dark side.

Than pretend it does not exist.

Not to be quick to morally call it to question.

But honestly declare, "I hate that person".

Honestly declare, "I am jealous".

I believe the bigger menace is denial of these primal feelings.

As to whether these primal feelings should exist at all, that is the next area to step into, but certainly being to quick to taboo them is no help in this.

An example might be, "If nature can be cruel I cannot see why I cannot", which Hitler said.

I find this quote first intriguing, and somewhat daring, in that giving an eye into why perhaps nature kills us in the first place.

So very much so, perhaps many morals are simply twisted measurements of a self righteousness, and hate in itself could be considered a love so strong, it has not yet found company to make it seen.

As for vengeance, who makes it wrong or right? Who makes it a sin or just? If you can live with yourself, that is all that makes it valid.
 Quoting: Lil' Red

Very well said.

At the time of this thread's conceiving I found myself faced with both helplessness incredible anger, and a feeling of betrayal. I found myself entertaining dark thoughts I was not use to dealing with. Looking back it seems silly now, but in the moment it was all I could do to talk myself away from the anger.

Justice vs. Revenge had been a reoccurring topic for me over the previous years, and I brought it together on this thread.

I have considered what most people call 'Love', is in part, the fear of losing them.
 Quoting: Seer777


I consider "love" like this:

This thing/person improves my mental state of being. Therefore, it is most known, as you have said, through absence. And via that absence it is shown more clearly. I personally, do not "love" anyone.

As said in the above post, I have entered the more cold emotionless state, however this is more "blissful" than any "love" I have had, if you can understand that. My goal has always been, to not require or need any other human, to transcend what is human.

Thus, I consider "love" a weakness, as if you love any other person, it makes them your "creator" as you must "win that love". (please understand most humans would vehemently disagree on this because they see "their love" in their own illusion)

As for "loving" other human beings. I ask myself, does death love them? I mean, shouldn't "my love" be as cold hearted as they are imperfect?

That is why I seldom use the word love, as it is vague and double meaning. Perhaps respect is the better word. I respect, those who can transcend human ways. Those who cannot do that, I have tolerance for, but this is growing thinner by the day, as I must suffer them being enclosed in this same space that we share.

Thus I am all for a "quickening" of sorting out those who cannot transcend their human ways, and those who can. I do not so much have any moral emotion to other people. Rather, I am bold enough to declare if they are making my existence poor, like an insect might buzz, I prefer I had a big fly swat for them.

Logically, I can only desire my own well-being. People who wish to suffer for others? it makes no sense, unless it gave a long-term personal reward. As stated, I am aware I will be called evil, but these "good" people I consider backward and lost in their own "self righteous" behaviours, yet they act hypocritically anyway.
 Quoting: Lil' Red


Forgive the lateness of my reply. I have been busy and have had access to a tablet only, which makes typing a chore and a thankless one...


Love is often something one is caught up in. And it can hold, as in the case of: family, friends, children, spouses, and pets. Along with country, and God. Etc..

What I realized about 'Love' some time back, is the responsibility one has to another, who loves them. As the feeling of a 'broken heart' can embitter the most optimistic individual. And to break another person's heart, should be avoided as much as possible.

Fear of loss, grief and the very real fear one feels of facing said, can cause one to close off and allow none too close. However, no matter how cold one allows themselves to seem or become, love either given or offered still holds one under its comforts.

For example, after losing a beloved pet some years back, I was nervous to allow myself to love my new puppy. I held back at first. Not giving over to the overwhelming nature of the cuteness of a puppy and attempted to rationalize it to myself as protecting myself 'in case he died'.

After a few weeks, my attempts at holding back completely fell away and I then knew that I really 'had no choice' and stop fighting it. Because, I loved him. I loved him so much my heart and throat swelled with joy when I thought/think of him.

He makes life worth living. Waking up to him, makes waking up, better.

For me, that was a big deal.
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You need to be productive in your deliverance of Justice.
If it doesnt stop the crime its pointless.
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Being humane is all the justice needed.
I do not see any criminals.
 Quoting: orbs 34929629


But how humane? And how to facilitate the victims of an injustice, finding justice when they cry for revenge? For some, nothing other than the eternal fires of Hell seems to suffice.

They feel 'justified' in throwing around such assertions as well. 'Prison rape' is often lauded as a 'you deserved it'. Looked at as 'justice for a crime' when it is everything but. It is all that is broken with Man. And how we are generally at a complete loss, of how to punish the 'guilty'.

Punished how hard and for how long..?
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People come and people go
But none of them really knows
Knows the pain that I go through
From my interactions with you
To be my friend I let you in
Open my heart and let it sing
So the slightest judder
In my chasm
Causes my emotions to go in to spasm

It is a work in progress
A diligent conquest
Of me and mine
To be caught up in this merry Rhyme
Is not something one wishes for the others
Even if they be very old friends sisters or brothers
So with that in mind
Please don't mistake me for being unkind
Just at work on my fickle moods
My extrovert broods

Take care and see you around
I often enjoy the presence your words make
The presence of sound
Interaction is not a no
Just opening heart is a no go
hf
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On the way down to Market today I was thinking about your words above. I kept coming back to, 3.5 years. How long we, you and I, have been close enough to know rather intimate details of each other's story.

I thought, I wonder where I would be, had I never clicked on the Secrets thread..?

I thought, If I wasn't there, then I would have never been invited into private chat that day. I would have also, not been compelled to later invite James, into said chat...

Where would we be? Had none of that occurred?I think about it a lot. Because looking back, we both have had such a difficult, strange, and amazing time of it since.

No words really, except "expect to be amazed" was certainly realized. Both horribly bad, and blissfully good.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

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They will feel my vengeance.
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I think the difference between vengeance and revenge is one is done in the heat of the moment and often, later regretted. Either by shame, loss of relationship, $$$ damages, or jail time.


The belief in vengeance and its seeking, is by most, 'given up to God'. Belief in a higher power who helps to balance the scale. Vengeance is Mine.

Such that, people find solace(calming) in the belief that their 'enemies'(unbelievers) will burn in Hell fire forever and ever. Punished by God, so they don't have to.

But like Lil' Red mentioned above, perhaps hate(damning) is a love so strong, as not to be recognized for what it is. Fear of Loss. Loss of potential...

Our time without them.


How could Heaven be Heaven, if I knew those I loved on Earth, are suffering forever?

It wouldn't be.


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People come and people go
But none of them really knows
Knows the pain that I go through
From my interactions with you
To be my friend I let you in
Open my heart and let it sing
So the slightest judder
In my chasm
Causes my emotions to go in to spasm

It is a work in progress
A diligent conquest
Of me and mine
To be caught up in this merry Rhyme
Is not something one wishes for the others
Even if they be very old friends sisters or brothers
So with that in mind
Please don't mistake me for being unkind
Just at work on my fickle moods
My extrovert broods

Take care and see you around
I often enjoy the presence your words make
The presence of sound
Interaction is not a no
Just opening heart is a no go
hf
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On the way down to Market today I was thinking about your words above. I kept coming back to, 3.5 years. How long we, you and I, have been close enough to know rather intimate details of each other's story.

I thought, I wonder where I would be, had I never clicked on the Secrets thread..?

I thought, If I wasn't there, then I would have never been invited into private chat that day. I would have also, not been compelled to later invite James, into said chat...

Where would we be? Had none of that occurred?I think about it a lot. Because looking back, we both have had such a difficult, strange, and amazing time of it since.

No words really, except "expect to be amazed" was certainly realized. Both horribly bad, and blissfully good.
 Quoting: Seer777


One would be much further ahead
With much less layers.

Turn my enemies in to my teachers
My friends become my preachers
So I stand proud loud and alone
Yet never alone.
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People come and people go
But none of them really knows
Knows the pain that I go through
From my interactions with you
To be my friend I let you in
Open my heart and let it sing
So the slightest judder
In my chasm
Causes my emotions to go in to spasm

It is a work in progress
A diligent conquest
Of me and mine
To be caught up in this merry Rhyme
Is not something one wishes for the others
Even if they be very old friends sisters or brothers
So with that in mind
Please don't mistake me for being unkind
Just at work on my fickle moods
My extrovert broods

Take care and see you around
I often enjoy the presence your words make
The presence of sound
Interaction is not a no
Just opening heart is a no go
hf
 Quoting: orbs 50113441


On the way down to Market today I was thinking about your words above. I kept coming back to, 3.5 years. How long we, you and I, have been close enough to know rather intimate details of each other's story.

I thought, I wonder where I would be, had I never clicked on the Secrets thread..?

I thought, If I wasn't there, then I would have never been invited into private chat that day. I would have also, not been compelled to later invite James, into said chat...

Where would we be? Had none of that occurred?I think about it a lot. Because looking back, we both have had such a difficult, strange, and amazing time of it since.

No words really, except "expect to be amazed" was certainly realized. Both horribly bad, and blissfully good.
 Quoting: Seer777


One would be much further ahead
With much less layers.

Turn my enemies in to my teachers
My friends become my preachers
So I stand proud loud and alone
Yet never alone.
 Quoting: orbs 50113441


Layers like dust, is expected with time.

They are what we draw upon to reach for the tools experience offers.

I found, within the tornadoes of bliss and hate, that...it is all fluid. You may hate(love) today, and love(hate) tomorrow. And IT gives people the room to do so...is such which allows both choice(bad/good) and extreme feeling. One way or the other.


Because we all know, it gets a whole lot more tempered with time. What is a tire, against the wear of the road?

Do you remember what sourdough bread tasted like before you were 10? Do you remember what it tasted like after?

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Ten was the first time I found myself alone
Walking the streets free to roam
Blending in with the crowds as they hurried by
Not noticing the young child cry
Help me please he asked many times
A sneer and nose in the air
As they walked on by
So an idea was fathomed in the young boys mind
Ignore me you fuckers i'll make you cry
I will rob your house steal your things
Fuck up society while I sing
Hop skipping and jumping just like a child
Except this one was rather wild
So on a path did he be set
Of excrutiating lonelyness
The product of a bet
What way does the lonely boy go
Does he feed the beast that he truely knows
The one that is just under his skin
Shining forth a rebel and kin
Or free the dove in his heart
Forgoe his hatred step out of the dark
Be like love all tempered and kind
Create something new for the newly blind
Its so hard to remain so nice
When being bombarded by others evil eye
All the gunk has been building up
The nasty stuff that nasties chuck
So one is at a cross
Deciding to forgoe loss
Managing the pain like a boss.


Do you Remember when the rhyme first came
You were my muse
Maybe you will be again....
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I know you're reading so this is for you
Amodeus ICU
A change of name is not enough
To hide from this bit of ruff
Come out of hiding do your thing
I already promised non interfearing
For the principalities and powers be
A negative force
Upon these lands of hedonistic debauch
A balance is required
Do not fear others for your retiered
Laugh in their face and say fuck off
Forgivness is divine
Unfourtunatly I'm not
Yet more malable have I become
I even threw away my gun
Have no fear of this crazy bastard
Have no fear of this nutty cake
Have no fear of the fiery lake
Be free from my burdens
For they are not yours to hold
Be free from my task as its not known
I will not be Carried.
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I know you're reading so this is for you
Amodeus ICU
A change of name is not enough
To hide from this bit of ruff
Come out of hiding do your thing
I already promised non interfearing
For the principalities and powers be
A negative force
Upon these lands of hedonistic debauch
A balance is required
Do not fear others for your retiered
Laugh in their face and say fuck off
Forgivness is divine
Unfourtunatly I'm not
Yet more malable have I become
I even threw away my gun
Have no fear of this crazy bastard
Have no fear of this nutty cake
Have no fear of the fiery lake
Be free from my burdens
For they are not yours to hold
Be free from my task as its not known
I will not be Carried.
 Quoting: orbs 34939194


hmm

Asmodeus? The demon of lust? FS use to talk of him often...


I enjoyed your words this morning. Thanks for adding them.

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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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I know you're reading so this is for you
Amodeus ICU
A change of name is not enough
To hide from this bit of ruff
Come out of hiding do your thing
I already promised non interfearing
For the principalities and powers be
A negative force
Upon these lands of hedonistic debauch
A balance is required
Do not fear others for your retiered
Laugh in their face and say fuck off
Forgivness is divine
Unfourtunatly I'm not
Yet more malable have I become
I even threw away my gun
Have no fear of this crazy bastard
Have no fear of this nutty cake
Have no fear of the fiery lake
Be free from my burdens
For they are not yours to hold
Be free from my task as its not known
I will not be Carried.
 Quoting: orbs 34939194


Are you indicating, aether?

As much as I have looked, I haven't found a post I could rest squarely on him since he left.

I look for his tells.


I know he still reads though...
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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05/26/2015 05:29 AM
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He posts elsewhere.

Yet still reads, :)


I thought you guys were tighter than than the gap between beyonce ass cheeks.
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He posts elsewhere.

Yet still reads, :)


I thought you guys were tighter than than the gap between beyonce ass cheeks.
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I see.

No, we were as you say, very tight for 2.5 yes then rather randomly he PM'd me on New Years Day and said, we 'believed different things'. He then abandoned our friendship and acted like I never existed. Punched a hole right through me...I'm still not 'over it' completely.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca





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