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Seer777  (OP)
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This is more of what I was getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

The 'Dark Passenger' and how and why and with what furiousity, it is triggered.

The desire for, when one sees themselves or another 'wronged'.

It seems many sooth themselves believing God will sort it out. And I have utilized this same reasoning countless times.


But sometimes it seems like the dark just keeps pounding and the light fades...
 Quoting: Seer777


The light is always there. That's one of the cruel aspects of life sometimes and one of its greatest blessings. Sometimes you can be so far from it you'll never reach it in time to stop what is chasing you in the dark from catching you and you know it. But your eyes and heart seek it to the end just the same.

Is not a form of justice/revenge our modern penal institutions? Societal revenge.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes.

But more like 'personal reaction' to.


For example, I believe it was 2 evening ago a thread popped up regarding a 3 y/o child being hung upside down and beaten to death.

The responses I read on page one, will demonstrate exactly what I am talking about.

Where is the line?
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't want to read that thread. Ill take your word on it. I can imagine.

The line is one of those ever evolving questions we struggle with individually and as a society... it seems there is no other way than to treat each case individually.

It seems to me the line from a civilized perspective is where the perpetrator never wants to do it again and is forced into some kind of remorse for their actions if none is present. Also you want them to be an example for ppl of a similar mind set to dissuade them from the same behavior. It's not a perfect system but it's better than all out eye for an eye.
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Yes. I just read part of the first page. Then hoped it would fall off the 'Front page'.

I think it went as far as it did, due people feeling the need to express the rage they felt regarding. So as, said headline did not 'ruin their day', make them feel like 'punching a wall', or utter hopelessness in the human race as a whole.

Venting. But the venting was so very dark. For such a crime, is it justified?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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There is a large difference between societal punishment and societal revenge. To not make that distinction is to negate a conduct of rules. If you can't do the time don't get caught and if you get caught don't blame it on anyone but yourself.
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Thread: Sharks Fuck with People, People Fuck with Sharks

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Oh, and Morn'en Seer

hi
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


hi


I just made more coffee.

coffee4

:)
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I'm on my last cup of the pot. :)
Thank god for whitening strips
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


I have been considering giving those a try.

I have heard they increase tooth sensitivity though. So I have shied away from their use.
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The light is always there. That's one of the cruel aspects of life sometimes and one of its greatest blessings. Sometimes you can be so far from it you'll never reach it in time to stop what is chasing you in the dark from catching you and you know it. But your eyes and heart seek it to the end just the same.

Is not a form of justice/revenge our modern penal institutions? Societal revenge.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes.

But more like 'personal reaction' to.


For example, I believe it was 2 evening ago a thread popped up regarding a 3 y/o child being hung upside down and beaten to death.

The responses I read on page one, will demonstrate exactly what I am talking about.

Where is the line?
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't want to read that thread. Ill take your word on it. I can imagine.

The line is one of those ever evolving questions we struggle with individually and as a society... it seems there is no other way than to treat each case individually.

It seems to me the line from a civilized perspective is where the perpetrator never wants to do it again and is forced into some kind of remorse for their actions if none is present. Also you want them to be an example for ppl of a similar mind set to dissuade them from the same behavior. It's not a perfect system but it's better than all out eye for an eye.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes. I just read part of the first page. Then hoped it would fall off the 'Front page'.

I think it went as far as it did, due people feeling the need to express the rage they felt regarding. So as, said headline did not 'ruin their day', make them feel like 'punching a wall', or utter hopelessness in the human race as a whole.

Venting. But the venting was so very dark. For such a crime, is it justified?
 Quoting: Seer777


If the venting does as it's name suggests and releases pressure then I suppose it can be a good thing. Back to holding it in can harm you or build into rage they may be acted on.
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If you can't do the time don't get caught.


That was meant as a joke, but it does illustrate how people justify acting in certain ways by telling themselves they are not harming others.
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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
BlueSharks
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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I don't want to read that thread. Ill take your word on it. I can imagine.

The line is one of those ever evolving questions we struggle with individually and as a society... it seems there is no other way than to treat each case individually.

It seems to me the line from a civilized perspective is where the perpetrator never wants to do it again and is forced into some kind of remorse for their actions if none is present. Also you want them to be an example for ppl of a similar mind set to dissuade them from the same behavior. It's not a perfect system but it's better than all out eye for an eye.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes. I just read part of the first page. Then hoped it would fall off the 'Front page'.

I think it went as far as it did, due people feeling the need to express the rage they felt regarding. So as, said headline did not 'ruin their day', make them feel like 'punching a wall', or utter hopelessness in the human race as a whole.

Venting. But the venting was so very dark. For such a crime, is it justified?
 Quoting: Seer777


If the venting does as it's name suggests and releases pressure then I suppose it can be a good thing. Back to holding it in can harm you or build into rage they may be acted on.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


GIGO?

How to properly channel it?

The 'dark passenger'.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Oh, and Morn'en Seer

hi
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


hi


I just made more coffee.

coffee4

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm on my last cup of the pot. :)
Thank god for whitening strips
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


I have been considering giving those a try.

I have heard they increase tooth sensitivity though. So I have shied away from their use.
 Quoting: Seer777


Between those being used less than once a year and like the optic white tooth paste I haven't had any trouble. 'Course I'm a little bigger than you and male. I don't know if that translates to thicker enamel or anything though.
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Found this interesting
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I don't want to read that thread. Ill take your word on it. I can imagine.

The line is one of those ever evolving questions we struggle with individually and as a society... it seems there is no other way than to treat each case individually.

It seems to me the line from a civilized perspective is where the perpetrator never wants to do it again and is forced into some kind of remorse for their actions if none is present. Also you want them to be an example for ppl of a similar mind set to dissuade them from the same behavior. It's not a perfect system but it's better than all out eye for an eye.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes. I just read part of the first page. Then hoped it would fall off the 'Front page'.

I think it went as far as it did, due people feeling the need to express the rage they felt regarding. So as, said headline did not 'ruin their day', make them feel like 'punching a wall', or utter hopelessness in the human race as a whole.

Venting. But the venting was so very dark. For such a crime, is it justified?
 Quoting: Seer777


If the venting does as it's name suggests and releases pressure then I suppose it can be a good thing. Back to holding it in can harm you or build into rage they may be acted on.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


GIGO?

How to properly channel it?

The 'dark passenger'.
 Quoting: Seer777


Are you pinging me to talk about rage and how I channel it?

That's a subject that requires some tact in explaining and I'm headed out the door. Ill come back in tonight sometime if I can.

hi
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Found this interesting
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Wonderful.

Indignation: Anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment.


It is not a consciously managed system. The system decides, acts and then informs you. Its rational prefrontal regions play a subsidiary role in decision making, unless consciously empowered through self awareness. The lower level systems within the brain contain an emotional network, which can envelop one in indignation, convincing one of the foul intentions of one's opponent. The impulses in this network manipulate moods and tense muscles, carrying people on a negative path.
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If the venting does as it's name suggests and releases pressure then I suppose it can be a good thing. Back to holding it in can harm you or build into rage they may be acted on.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


GIGO?

How to properly channel it?

The 'dark passenger'.
 Quoting: Seer777


Are you pinging me to talk about rage and how I channel it?

That's a subject that requires some tact in explaining and I'm headed out the door. Ill come back in tonight sometime if I can.

hi
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


I asking everyone to ask themselves that.

I look forward to it. I have a puppy training class from 6-7:30 pm today. But other than that, I should be here.

Enjoy your day.

hi
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
BlueSharks
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Perhaps we should turn revenge into a playful game?

Sharks fuck with me. I fuck with sharks.
- The Spider Kid
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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
:BlueSharks:
 Quoting: Seer777


Perhaps we should turn revenge into a playful game?

Sharks fuck with me. I fuck with sharks.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Revenge is a dish best served cold, but you should never surf a dead whale for it.
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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
BlueSharks
 Quoting: Seer777


Perhaps we should turn revenge into a playful game?

Sharks fuck with me. I fuck with sharks.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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I consider 'revenge' an interchangable word with 'justice'

Tell me what is the difference?
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I have asked that question several times.

Where is the line between justice and revenge? When is it crossed?

Often in the Mind.
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Duty, above the mob or herd.

Cheers
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I consider 'revenge' an interchangable word with 'justice'

Tell me what is the difference?
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I have asked that question several times.

Where is the line between justice and revenge? When is it crossed?

Often in the Mind.
 Quoting: Seer777


Duty, above the mob or herd.

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


Good morning.

Duty to Self control?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
BlueSharks
 Quoting: Seer777


Perhaps we should turn revenge into a playful game?

Sharks fuck with me. I fuck with sharks.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
 Quoting: Seer777


I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
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Emotional abuse is similar to brainwashing in that it attempts to systematically wear away a personís self-confidence, self-worth, and self-concept. Emotional abuse can take many forms, including using economic power to control, threatening to leave, degrading, belittling, continually criticizing, name calling, or shouting.

Any emotion has three components: 1) physiological changes (e.g., acceleration of heart rate) 2) behavioral response, such as a tendency to escape from or stay in contact with whatever is causing the emotion, and 3) a subjective experience, such as feeling angry, happy, or sad

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Good Morning Kai.

Swimming with sharks, one knows the risk...
BlueSharks
 Quoting: Seer777


Perhaps we should turn revenge into a playful game?

Sharks fuck with me. I fuck with sharks.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Revenge is a dish best served cold, but you should never surf a dead whale for it.
 Quoting: The Swede


Dead whale surfing:

It gives ya some ideas!
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I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
 Quoting: Seer777


I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
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What I can't stand is watching good people bullied.

And the severity of the bullying equates to the severity of my response.
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I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
 Quoting: Seer777


I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


What I can't stand is watching good people bullied.

And the severity of the bullying equates to the severity of my response.
 Quoting: Seer777


It hurts me too.
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I consider 'revenge' an interchangable word with 'justice'

Tell me what is the difference?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36925937


I have asked that question several times.

Where is the line between justice and revenge? When is it crossed?

Often in the Mind.
 Quoting: Seer777


Duty, above the mob or herd.

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


Good morning.

Duty to Self control?
 Quoting: Seer777


A plan. If there is no play above survival or temporary gratificaion, man becomes beast.

An intricate clockwork requires attention to detail lest one become ground in the gears.

Love, Hate, war or peace, it's all about the size of theclock and the atgention to detail(lubricant).

Cheers
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Although a large portion of the article presented by ac 33, sounded reasonable but its premise of being based on self awareness seemed flawed.

The article provided no definition for self aware, yet hung all its assumptions for the various forms of self righteous indigence on it.

It postulated on intuition as a subset of emotional response, and addressed it as a blinder when reacting to an emotional indignation response. It also provided a false context as to what intuition is.

"Such memories are stored in the context of experienced emotions. Intuition is the ability to extract a single contextual memory from this astronomically large data store through a process of instant elimination.

***Intuitive elimination works for the whole system. When an animal chooses to drink, its urge to eat grass is inhibited. Intuition acts in context.***

Emotions trigger focused behavior strategies by inhibiting alternate views."

Intuition is for a better analogy, a pre-neural reflection for pre-occurrence. How an intuition can blind or bind you to an option that has yet to occur is misleading.

After reading the entire article, which carried no citations, the article skillfully introduced interesting if not questionable conclusions into a mix of quasi scientific sounding postulations.

In other words it has the aura of disinformation. For what purposes that such disinformation should be disseminated, one must make their own conclusions.
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I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
 Quoting: Seer777


I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


What I can't stand is watching good people bullied.

And the severity of the bullying equates to the severity of my response.
 Quoting: Seer777


It hurts me too.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


There is a monster which resides inside all of us.

It sleeps until awakened. And makes us capable of great 'harm'.


What type of relationship should one have with 'their monster'?


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I turned it more into a thread about 'revenge'. And why and how, it triggers.

In anyone.

And how to properly channel it. So as not to harm oneself or another and still be able to 'release' it.
 Quoting: Seer777


I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
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What I can't stand is watching good people bullied.

And the severity of the bullying equates to the severity of my response.
 Quoting: Seer777


It hurts me too.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Good people need to stand up for themselves. Rooster Cogburn can't be everywhere at once.
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I know. Just one more facet from Mr. Grey.

You are a true caretaker Seer. Love you for that.

:)
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


What I can't stand is watching good people bullied.

And the severity of the bullying equates to the severity of my response.
 Quoting: Seer777


It hurts me too.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Good people need to stand up for themselves. Rooster Cogburn can't be everywhere at once.
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Well said.

But he can try his best. And hopefully awaken the gunslinger in his protectorate in the process.
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I have asked that question several times.

Where is the line between justice and revenge? When is it crossed?

Often in the Mind.
 Quoting: Seer777


Duty, above the mob or herd.

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


Good morning.

Duty to Self control?
 Quoting: Seer777


A plan. If there is no play above survival or temporary gratificaion, man becomes beast.

An intricate clockwork requires attention to detail lest one become ground in the gears.

Love, Hate, war or peace, it's all about the size of theclock and the atgention to detail(lubricant).

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558


How does one keep those wheels 'greased' if not experienced, to enact self control?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca





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