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Seer777  (OP)
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Bible states to forgive, and you too will be forgiven.

And to leave vengeance to God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4065647


I was thinking about this yesterday...

When does forgive and forget, become allow and facilitate?
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You just twisted what I said. I was speaking of lack of justice in the treating of such crimes. Vengeance is the lords, I'm not givien anybody any chances to lock me up regardless of how I may or may not feel.

I assume you mean to help. Being so void of edmotion and empathy does little for your cause.
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lol revenge not something I care for I choose to remove the wrong doer from my life you only get one chance with me and for the god squad it goes like this Let him with out sin cast the first stone in other words who the fuck am I to judge another but how many do this daily and claim to be religious lol karma will sort the bastards out
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You just twisted what I said. I was speaking of lack of justice in the treating of such crimes. Vengeance is the lords, I'm not givien anybody any chances to lock me up regardless of how I may or may not feel.

I assume you mean to help. Being so void of edmotion and empathy does little for your cause.
 Quoting: HilosPP


I was giving you another vantage point.

Seems to me one 'void of emotion and empathy' would not be subject to the desire for revenge.
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Harming an innocent is beyond reproach.

Most find dealing with a personality type that seeks revenge rather frightful. Most would acquiesce when confronted. Acquiescing is often the advantageous sought.
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

:PerfectBalance:
 Quoting: Seer777


Is there righteous revenge? Absolutely. Closure from a traumatic experience or abuse for instance.

Revenge is a verb in this sense obviously. It's application dictates whether it was justified or not. That and the circumstances surrounding it. Even justified revenge can cross the line and become unjustified. Balancing act is exactly right.

I think we are all capable of violence from a survival standpoint. We don't live in a world of non aggression. For better or worse that's just the way it is. Ppl incapable of violence, like special needs, elderly or children, are often targeted for that very reason.

I believe it is a necessary survival instinct in this reality.
It is the only way to combat other violent ppl sometimes unfortunately. It's like a gun, better to own one and not need it than the inverse.
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Devoid of empathy perhaps, devoid of emotion no.
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You just twisted what I said. I was speaking of lack of justice in the treating of such crimes. Vengeance is the lords, I'm not givien anybody any chances to lock me up regardless of how I may or may not feel.

I assume you mean to help. Being so void of edmotion and empathy does little for your cause.
 Quoting: HilosPP


I was giving you another vantage point.

Seems to me one 'void of emotion and empathy' would not be subject to the desire for revenge.
 Quoting: Seer777


Your brought up revenge not me. Revenge for what life sucks for most people. We do what we can to survive and make life tolaerable. You brought up my demons and revenge. Not me. I asked if you could share some more of what you think you know and you avoided it.

I'm actually doin better and better each day. Again just came trying to have some fun and a lighthearted conversation. This is glp everybody is a bunch of fkin nobodies.
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

PerfectBalance
 Quoting: Seer777


Is there righteous revenge? Absolutely. Closure from a traumatic experience or abuse for instance.

Revenge is a verb obviously. It's application dictates whether it was justified or not. That and the circumstances surrounding it. Even justified revenge can cross the line and become unjustified. Balancing act is exactly right.

I think we are all capable of violence from a survival standpoint. We don't live in a world of non aggression. For better or worse that's just the way it is. Ppl incapable of violence, like special needs, elderly or children, are often targeted for that very reason.

I believe it is a necessary survival instinct in this reality.
It is the only way to combat other violent ppl sometimes unfortunately. It's like a gun, better to own one and not need it than the inverse.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Good morning.

This is more of what I was getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

The 'Dark Passenger' and how and why and with what furiousity, it is triggered.

The desire for, when one sees themselves or another 'wronged'.

It seems many sooth themselves believing God will sort it out. And I have utilized this same reasoning countless times.


But sometimes it seems like the dark just keeps pounding and the light fades...
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Yes that was the thing floating around (family hurt) when I said 'I haven't been faced with . . . ' and didn't want my mind to go there or write it out. It's too dark.

I worry 'thoughts become reality'.
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

:PerfectBalance:
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds alot like activation of amygdala. I was reading earlier about what happens when the fight or flight hormones are not used as they are supposed to be. How not acting out the emotions can harm our bodies
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One always need to examine their own bias as to what constitutes what. Light and darkness does not often correspond to personal opinions. This is the trap. Just because one believe their viewpoint is absolutely correct does not make it so.
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Yes that was the thing floating around (family hurt) when I said 'I haven't been faced with . . . ' and didn't want my mind to go there or write it out. It's too dark.

I worry 'thoughts become reality'.
 Quoting: Sloane


Thank you. I understand.

That is my exact point. Thoughts becomes reality.

Say for example ones thoughts manifest whether ultimately acted on or not.

How does one enact absolute self control, even in the Mind?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

:PerfectBalance:
 Quoting: Seer777


Is there righteous revenge? Absolutely. Closure from a traumatic experience or abuse for instance.

Revenge is a verb obviously. It's application dictates whether it was justified or not. That and the circumstances surrounding it. Even justified revenge can cross the line and become unjustified. Balancing act is exactly right.

I think we are all capable of violence from a survival standpoint. We don't live in a world of non aggression. For better or worse that's just the way it is. Ppl incapable of violence, like special needs, elderly or children, are often targeted for that very reason.

I believe it is a necessary survival instinct in this reality.
It is the only way to combat other violent ppl sometimes unfortunately. It's like a gun, better to own one and not need it than the inverse.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Good morning.

This is more of what I was getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

The 'Dark Passenger' and how and why and with what furiousity, it is triggered.

The desire for, when one sees themselves or another 'wronged'.

It seems many sooth themselves believing God will sort it out. And I have utilized this same reasoning countless times.


But sometimes it seems like the dark just keeps pounding and the light fades...
 Quoting: Seer777


The light is always there. That's one of the cruel aspects of life sometimes and one of its greatest blessings. Sometimes you can be so far from it you'll never reach it in time to stop what is chasing you in the dark from catching you and you know it. But your eyes and heart seek it to the end just the same.

Is not a form of justice/revenge our modern penal institutions? Societal revenge.
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

PerfectBalance
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds alot like activation of amygdala. I was reading earlier about what happens when the fight or flight hormones are not used as they are supposed to be. How not acting out the emotions can harm our bodies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5845133


Interesting.

I would like to see the link, if you still have access.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Oh, and Morn'en Seer

hi
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Is there righteous revenge? Absolutely. Closure from a traumatic experience or abuse for instance.

Revenge is a verb obviously. It's application dictates whether it was justified or not. That and the circumstances surrounding it. Even justified revenge can cross the line and become unjustified. Balancing act is exactly right.

I think we are all capable of violence from a survival standpoint. We don't live in a world of non aggression. For better or worse that's just the way it is. Ppl incapable of violence, like special needs, elderly or children, are often targeted for that very reason.

I believe it is a necessary survival instinct in this reality.
It is the only way to combat other violent ppl sometimes unfortunately. It's like a gun, better to own one and not need it than the inverse.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Good morning.

This is more of what I was getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

The 'Dark Passenger' and how and why and with what furiousity, it is triggered.

The desire for, when one sees themselves or another 'wronged'.

It seems many sooth themselves believing God will sort it out. And I have utilized this same reasoning countless times.


But sometimes it seems like the dark just keeps pounding and the light fades...
 Quoting: Seer777


The light is always there. That's one of the cruel aspects of life sometimes and one of its greatest blessings. Sometimes you can be so far from it you'll never reach it in time to stop what is chasing you in the dark from catching you and you know it. But your eyes and heart seek it to the end just the same.

Is not a form of justice/revenge our modern penal institutions? Societal revenge.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes.

But more like 'personal reaction' to.


For example, I believe it was 2 evening ago a thread popped up regarding a 3 y/o child being hung upside down and beaten to death.

The responses I read on page one, will demonstrate exactly what I am talking about.

Where is the line?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Oh, and Morn'en Seer

hi
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


hi


I just made more coffee.

coffee4

:)
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Modern institutions societal penal revenge? What kind of cockamamie talk is that?

The large majority of inmates belong there for good reason, to protect society from them.
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Devoid of empathy perhaps, devoid of emotion no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61704976


I think often enough, empathy is what activates it.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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What is this Darkness that lays dormant until triggered?

Why is it soothed by thoughts of violence, whether acted on or not?

Do we all carry what Dexter called, his 'Dark Passenger'?


Is Revenge ever apt?

Are we all balanced on the precipice of potential violence, if triggered?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

:PerfectBalance:
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds alot like activation of amygdala. I was reading earlier about what happens when the fight or flight hormones are not used as they are supposed to be. How not acting out the emotions can harm our bodies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5845133


Interesting.

I would like to see the link, if you still have access.
 Quoting: Seer777

[link to www.theeventchronicle.com]
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Have you ever have to war with yourself when you saw/heard someone you cared for being injured in some way by another?

That is really the only time it rears its ugly head for me.
 Quoting: Seer777


I think that situation is when most of us will feel that fury grow inside us, but actually taking revenge and causing more anger and frustration doesn't seem like the best solution.

It's hard to generalize though, because it depends on so many factors.
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Devoid of empathy perhaps, devoid of emotion no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61704976


I think often enough, empathy is what activates it.
 Quoting: Seer777


Thinking further...and helps to deactivate it later as well.

When the 'fire' goes out and only the glowing coals remain, IOW.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Is there righteous revenge? Absolutely. Closure from a traumatic experience or abuse for instance.

Revenge is a verb obviously. It's application dictates whether it was justified or not. That and the circumstances surrounding it. Even justified revenge can cross the line and become unjustified. Balancing act is exactly right.

I think we are all capable of violence from a survival standpoint. We don't live in a world of non aggression. For better or worse that's just the way it is. Ppl incapable of violence, like special needs, elderly or children, are often targeted for that very reason.

I believe it is a necessary survival instinct in this reality.
It is the only way to combat other violent ppl sometimes unfortunately. It's like a gun, better to own one and not need it than the inverse.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Good morning.

This is more of what I was getting at. Thank you for clarifying.

The 'Dark Passenger' and how and why and with what furiousity, it is triggered.

The desire for, when one sees themselves or another 'wronged'.

It seems many sooth themselves believing God will sort it out. And I have utilized this same reasoning countless times.


But sometimes it seems like the dark just keeps pounding and the light fades...
 Quoting: Seer777


The light is always there. That's one of the cruel aspects of life sometimes and one of its greatest blessings. Sometimes you can be so far from it you'll never reach it in time to stop what is chasing you in the dark from catching you and you know it. But your eyes and heart seek it to the end just the same.

Is not a form of justice/revenge our modern penal institutions? Societal revenge.
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


Yes.

But more like 'personal reaction' to.


For example, I believe it was 2 evening ago a thread popped up regarding a 3 y/o child being hung upside down and beaten to death.

The responses I read on page one, will demonstrate exactly what I am talking about.

Where is the line?
 Quoting: Seer777


I don't want to read that thread. Ill take your word on it. I can imagine.

The line is one of those ever evolving questions we struggle with individually and as a society... it seems there is no other way than to treat each case individually.

It seems to me the line from a civilized perspective is where the perpetrator never wants to do it again and is forced into some kind of remorse for their actions if none is present. Also you want them to be an example for ppl of a similar mind set to dissuade them from the same behavior. It's not a perfect system but it's better than all out eye for an eye.
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Oh, and Morn'en Seer

hi
 Quoting: Facts>feelings


hi


I just made more coffee.

coffee4

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm on my last cup of the pot. :)
Thank god for whitening strips
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Have you ever have to war with yourself when you saw/heard someone you cared for being injured in some way by another?

That is really the only time it rears its ugly head for me.
 Quoting: Seer777


I think that situation is when most of us will feel that fury grow inside us, but actually taking revenge and causing more anger and frustration doesn't seem like the best solution.

It's hard to generalize though, because it depends on so many factors.
 Quoting: Michael_


Good morning Michael.


It often isn't. Not thinking before acting, has placed countless behind bars.

I think the AC had it right when mentioning that to not act on said feelings, is harmful on the body. This seems absolutely right.

How one properly channels rage, betrayal, and feelings for revenge being the key here.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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Modern institutions societal penal revenge? What kind of cockamamie talk is that?

The large majority of inmates belong there for good reason, to protect society from them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62186815


The kind that agrees with you for the most part.
Except for mandatory sentences for nonviolent offenders and a few other little quarks.
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good morning/evening to you, 8pm here :p
do you mean in the sense of pent up anger?
Some people need to find an outlet and some just need time to cool down it seems, again it depends on the action against those you care for (or what ever triggers your personal need for revenge)
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