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Yet another Smoking gun: What the US army (USAMARIID) recommends when treating Ebola.

 
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The military has excellent protocols to deal with this issue it should not be a surprise to anyone of what or how this issue has to be handeld.

Great source of information anyone in the military or knows someone should be reminded and read this manual.

Thanks op!

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Maybe but it doesnt translate into any benefit to the public or the nation now, does it?
The military has stopped existing for national cultural defense and now exists only as a PREAETORIAN GUARD.
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Some Praetorian Guard,
they get disarmed whenever their emperor appears before them.
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Anyone so distrusting even of his own guards indicates that persons perception of the depths of their own depravity
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OP - read The Coming Plague.

Nothing new.

Politics always fail to handle these issues. I've grown to expect nothing more from them.

You are awake, and have a chance to protect others who trust you. The US is and has fucked this up from minute one. It doesn't even matter why to me anymore because the answer is a certain variance of incompetence.

The next question could be: what is your next step to prepare?
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In politics nothing happens by accident especially if only a tiny minority is the only beneficiary.
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A link to your thread an the link to the document will be ae to the Ebola 2014 thread.

Thank you OP!!

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Thats why I dont understand how dr spencer's fiance is quarentined in a high rise?
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Just woke up...Thanks for the pin.smile_kiss

I believe this and other information is very important and demonstrates that the current demonstrated incompetence in handling this matter is purposeful, planned and orchestrated.


They know better. This and many other USARMIID papers prove that.

When Mr Duncan was confirmed to be positive for Ebola, the CDC should have sent experienced teams in with the proper PPE including respirators, strictly isolated him, and advised nursing and medical staff on BSL-4 isolation. The also should have advised waste management and laboratory personnel on proper protocols for safely handling specimens from him. They did next to none of those things, and instead tried to blame the nurse for a "beach in protocol"; a protocol that has subsequently been described and was far short of what is recommended, and what the University of Nebraska or Emory have available handle such a "hot" case.

Everything that they would have needed, could have been flown in in a matter of hours, including staff who had been properly trained, instead of expecting the inexperienced staff at Presbyterian to handle this incredibly dangerous and complicated patient care.

Then the lack of follow up isolation and education of the staff was stunning.

From the CSPAN testimony, the money that has been given for pandemic stockpiles has been spent in a haphazard way and no one seems to know exactly what we have, or what we might need. I will try to find a link for that CSPAN testimony later, but it was posted when it was live here on GLP,and many of you probably watched it.

There is still an on going shortage of saline and now lactated ringers IV solutions are included. I posted a thread on this a while back:

Thread: Severe IV fluid shortage threatens hospital and health care in the US

This still is a problem and the last time my supplier and I spoke, I asked him where the IV fluids are all going, and his answer shocked me: "The CDC is stockpiling it". Of course I can't post a link to that, but I am still trying to wrap my head around that one. He has known me for a years, and would have no reason to lie to me. One of the mainstays of Ebola treatment is the replacement of fluids and electrolytes, so with a continuing shortage of basic IV solutions, US hospitals might as well be third world hospitals if demand increases significantly. If the CDC would release it's stockpiles in the event of widespread Ebola infections remains to be seen in light of recent events.

Then the new "Ebola Czar" has no medical or public health qualifications. One of my functions is to sometimes advise lawyers on health care matters. Doctors and other health care workers have a completely different perspective than lawyers do. It is ingrained in the different training. Perhaps they could have tapped one of the infectious disease specialists from the university of Nebraska, Emory, USMARIID, or doctors in Senate, or Congress who actually have health care experience for this job.

In my opinion, there can be only two reasons for such obvious incompetence.

1. planed depopulation.

2. a vaccine agenda.


I would like to address especially number 2 in this thread a bit later, but first I want to go through and answer any questions posted earlier that I am able to answer.

Thank you all or your kind comments. hf

I take this seriously. If Ebola turns out to be a false scare, then good.
However, I am afraid this agenda has been well too well planned in order to accomplish either 1 or 2.

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Once the hospitals are overrun how will anyone be able to treat this? Dehydration is probably the leading cause of death. Anyone know if you can order stuff to do IV fluids at home?
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Has it ever been reported which strain of Ebola we are dealing with here? Maybe, just maybe, this isn't Ebola at all? We only know what they tell us.
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Once the hospitals are overrun how will anyone be able to treat this? Dehydration is probably the leading cause of death. Anyone know if you can order stuff to do IV fluids at home?
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This was pretty well discussed on this thread:

Thread: Severe IV fluid shortage threatens hospital and health care in the US

You need to have a license to order this; medical or veterinary, lab or other to order this from a supplier. I don't know of any other means to order it, but perhaps others do.

The Vets seem to be able to still get this. The "recipe" was posted on this thread, but the problem is not in making it, it is in getting and keeping it sterile enough to go into human veins and not cause a greater problem than the one you are trying to fix.

You need to know what you are doing with this, someone can easily be overloaded with fluid or an electrolyte imbalance can be created which could become fatal. For home use, oral or rectal (yes, I said it) fluid replacement is probably safer.

None of the above or anything else on this or other threads of mine is intended as medical advice, and is presented purely for discussion and entertainment purposes. hf

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The really fucked up part about all this, is that the N95 and N100 masks, are all rated for the effectiveness of removing particulate matter down to 5 microns. The Ebola viron is about 65 times smaller than 5 microns.
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Once the hospitals are overrun how will anyone be able to treat this? Dehydration is probably the leading cause of death. Anyone know if you can order stuff to do IV fluids at home?
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No, I don't know this.

But it might not be too hard to get yourself a bag of normal saline or D5W and an IV line, a butterfly or some other needle.

I had medical stuff left over after caring for a relative at home, but that was years ago, and the supplies are gone. No one wanted them, and I threw them out.

be funny if knowing how to mainline illegal drugs becomes a good thing to know - to start your neighbor's IV.

I know docs who have IV setups at home for hydration if they or a family member is really sick. Dehydration is what gets you in so many cases.

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The really fucked up part about all this, is that the N95 and N100 masks, are all rated for the effectiveness of removing particulate matter down to 5 microns. The Ebola viron is about 65 times smaller than 5 microns.
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The truth of the matter is that nothing commercially available today (that I know about anyway) that will filter a high concentration of a virus particle that small with 100% certainty.

However, most of the time, factors, such as humidity, UV light, positive pressure, and other factors will limit the amount of virus actually reaching the filter. I personally believe an inner and outer filter are probably appropriate, outside of a BSL-4 area where purified air is supplied in hoses, almost like scuba gear, but that is just my thought.

In Africa, where the doctors do use the masks, there have been significant numbers of health care workers who have become sick and have died. They have the advantage there of usually having high humidity, heat, and plenty of UV (sunlight) to help deactivate and precipitate the virus out of the air. Viral loads in the air probably do not last long, but they are created in a local area, especially by coughing, vomiting and diarrhea.

All my opinion, not medical advice, intended solely for discussion and entertainment purposes.hf

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Directly from the PDF: USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK, Sixth edition April 2005. (This is the “Blue Book of medical management of Biological casualties published by the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Dietrich, Maryland.) These are the people who have handled and studied Ebola and related infections since their discovery in 1976 and have written over 30 years’ worth of papers on Ebola and related its related species of filo viruses.

[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]


Yet, after watching the 2 recent CSPAN hearings on our government’s response to the Ebola situation, I got the distinct impression that no one “knows anything”, no specific guidance has been given, and no one wants to directly answer any questions, and that we are “making this up” as we go along.

We have direct evidence that effective protocols were not followed in the isolation of the first Ebola patient to be treated in a US hospital that was not a facility that was specially prepared to handle a BSL-4 biological agent. If one were to do a report card on how well that response went, a failing grade would be need to be assigned for the advice given by the CDC in PPE, which clearly failed, resulting in the infections of two nurses caring for that patient. Another “F” would need to be given for the lack of direction in the proper handling of laboratory specimens resulting in a panic aboard a cruise ship due to (as it is by now obvious) that there was inappropriate handling of contaminated laboratory material. An “F” would also be given for the apparent lack of consistent clear direction, such as (paraphrasing): “you can’t get Ebola from someone on a bus, but you may be able to give it to someone on a bus”.

No wonder everyone is confused! There has been a clear lack of leadership and direction to the point that the State of New York has now taken it upon itself to quarantine travelers returning from Ebola endemic areas in Africa, as the federal government has clearly abdicated its role to do so.

In this age of “we can’t hurt anyone’s feelings” we have clearly misplaced our priorities of public safety and national security.

The sad thing about all of this is that the protocols for dealing with Ebola and other viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHF) have been clearly and distinctly outlined by USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK, (Blue Book) Sixth edition published in April 2005.
Here is what the people who have probably studied these viral agents the longest, who have probably the most direct experience in handling them, and who have been the among the experts in biological warfare agents have to say about this particular subset of viral infections:

From page 74, under the section of “Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers” (VHF) the category that includes Ebola, Lassa, Marburg and others, quoted directly:

“Isolation and Decontamination:"

"All VHF patients should be cared for using strict contact precautions including hand hygiene, double gloves, gowns shoe and leg coverings, and faceshield or goggles. Airborne precautions should be instituted to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, a fit tested HEPA filter-equipped respirator (such as an N-95 mask), a battery-powered air-purifying respirator, or a a positive pressure supplied air respirator should be worn by personnel haring an enclosed space with or coming within six feet of a VHF patient. Multiple patients should be cohorted to a separate building or a ward with an isolated air-handling system. Ideally, VHF patients should be isolated in a negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour. Environmental decontamination is accomplished with hypochlorite or phenolic disinfectants.”

Then again on page 83:

“ISOLATION AND CONTAINMENT:”

These viruses pose special challenges for hospital infection control. With the exception of dengue and hantaviruses, VHF patients harbor significant quantities of potentially infectious virus in blood, body fluids or secretions. Special caution must be exercised in handling hypodermic needles and other sharps which could result in parenteral exposure.

Strict adherence to VHF-specific barrier precautions will prevent nosocomial transmission in most cases.
Lassa, CCHF, Ebola and Marburg viruses may be particularly prone to nosocomial spread.
In several instances, secondary infections among contacts and medical personnel without direct body fluid exposure have been well documented. These instances suggest a rare phenomenon of aerosol transmission of infection. Therefore, when a VHF is suspected, additional infection control measures are indicated. The patient should be hospitalized in a private room with an adjoining anteroom to be used for putting on and removing protective barriers, storage of supplies and decontamination of laboratory specimen containers. A negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour is ideal for all VHF patients and is strongly advised for patients with significant cough, hemorrhage or diarrhea.

All persons entering the room should wear double gloves, impermeable gowns with leg and shoe coverings (contact isolation), eye protection, and HEPA (N-95) masks or positive pressure air-purifying respirators (PAPRs).
In the absence of a large, fixed medical treatment facility, or in the event of an overwhelming number of casualties, isolation rooms may not be available for all casualties. At a minimum, VHF patients should be cohorted in a spate building or in a ward with an air-handling system separated from the rest of the building. Access should be restricted to necessary personnel. Personnel should wear contact and respiratory protection while in this patient care area. Personnel should undergo an external decontamination procedure at the point of leaving the patient care area. A building, room, or designated area that is separated from the patient care area should be established for donning and removing protective gear. All waste (including linens) leaving the patient care area should be decontaminated with bleach or quaternary ammonium compounds and double-bagged in clearly labeled biohazard waste bags. Ideally, this waste will be incinerated or autoclaved.

Laboratory specimens should be double-bagged, and the exterior of the outer bag should be decontaminated before transport to the laboratory. Excreta and other contaminated materials should be autoclaved, or decontaminated by the liberal application of appropriated disinfectants. Clinical laboratory personnel are at significant risk for exposure and should employ a biosafety cabinet (if available) with barrier and respiratory precautious when handling specimens.”

(Continued on page 84)
“No carrier state has been observed for any VHF, but excretion of the virus in urine or semen may occur for some time during convalescence. Survivors should avoid sexual contact for at least 3 months. Should the patient die, there should be minimal handling of the remains, which should ideally be sealed in leak-proof material for prompt burial or cremation.”

[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]

PS: Better save this PDF, things like this have a habit of disappearing and there is a lot of good information in this one. I sent copies of this PDF to all of my State Representatives, along with a letter.

P.S...I thought about posting this on another thread, but I didn't want to hijack someone else's thread hf
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Thank You. Virons are in fluids before symptoms are outwardly displayed. On a bus, a person could certainly cough 3 feet and sneeze 8 feet. These dumb fucks are flat out lying.
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Survivors should avoid sexual contact for at least 3 months.
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I wouldn't kick Nina Pham out of bed right now even if she was eating crackers.
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She's a 5 at best. You gonna risk ebola to bang a 5?
Moran.
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One thing left out is UVc light decontamination.
that requires some eye and skin protection but it doesnt leave a sloppy mess like bleach does or the risk of chlorine gas generation.
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Going through the earlier posts now to answer what I can:

Yes, they didn't discuss that, although there is published data on this.

I have posted about this on a previous thread, but I can’t find it now so here is a quick recap: The wavelength that is best for viral inactivation is generally the 254-260 nm wavelength. There are a variety of commercially available products that produce that wavelength. (Google (shopping) : 254 nm UV LED). Solar radiation is a bit offset at around 290 but can still be very effective. Filoviruses, (Filoviridae) such as Ebola are especially sensitive to this.

Sunshine is your friend when dealing with Ebola.

“Predicted Inactivation of Viruses of Relevance to Biodefense by Solar Radiation”


The overwhelming majority of published information on UV inactivation of viruses has been based upon exposure to UVC (UV254) radiation from a low-pressure mercury vapor (germicidal) lamp, with the primary emission at 254 nm. However, UV254 is not found in the sunlight that reaches the earth's surface; the ground-level virucidal solar UV wavelengths fall above 290 nm (16). Fortunately, the primary photochemical processes that damage the viral DNA or RNA occur at all the solar UV wavelengths, varying only in the efficiency of the different wavelengths (55). Since there are few published data that describe the survival of viruses, and none for threat viruses, following exposure to solar UV radiation, extrapolation from UV254 data will be required for most viruses. This extrapolation can be made using wavelength dependence (action spectrum) data.”

“In the present study we attempted to develop a method to compare UV254sensitivities among viruses of different sizes. These sensitivities could then be used to predict the sensitivities to UV254 of viruses of particular interest in biodefense, including smallpox, Ebola, Marburg, Congo Crimean, Junin and other hemorrhagic viruses and Venezuelan equine encephalitis and other encephalitis viruses.”

Included in Table 6 are estimated times for virus inactivation by midday solar exposure for each location and date. We selected the most UV-sensitive (Filoviridae) among the families of viruses of potential interest in biodefense (Table 4). The estimates of midday virus inactivation in Table 6 range from 20 min to well over 1 hour for 1-log inactivation (10% survival). This indicates that some viruses could be inactivated by solar radiation rather quickly, while other, less-UV-sensitive virus types could persist for a long time.”

Examination of Fig. 3 indicates that the wavelengths for peak effectiveness of solar inactivation lie between 300 and 305 nm for SZAs up to 37°. These wavelengths contributed more than two-thirds of the total effective solar flux. A midday solar effective flux of 0.17 J/m2254/min (implying a daily total fluence of approximately 50 J/m2254) might be “marginally effective” for inactivating viruses relevant to biodefense, e.g., a full-day exposure would produce about a 3-log decrease in infectivity for the more-UV-sensitive viruses and much less for less-UV-sensitive viruses.

[link to jvi.asm.org]

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Still nothing of consequence for anyone actually providing care especially given the variability of symptoms.
I guess it's just matching ins to outs with appropriate solns and hope that reverse transcriptase drugs work a la Dr Logans claims.
It should be obvious that accumulating such patients in a hospital setting with general population patients is madness, murder or both.
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I think both madness and murder. The questions that we must now ask are who and why? Surely such stupidity cannot be accidental. eekalert
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It is obvious that these new disease pathogens have one thing in common they have all been weaponized in various labs around the world and containment failures are seeming to occur at alarming rate the ebola or Marburg virus came from test animals used to develop the weaponized forms of the weaker version of Ebola which occurred decades ago.
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So, greenie obviously you know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Why is there nothing being said about current reverse transcriptase inhibitors when they clearly should be able to have some effect?
Why is there only mention of other unavailable RTI medication that's being withheld for investigational use only?
Has nobody done a combination of Ribovirin and a RTI?
It should work better than either alone.
There's a curious LACK of curiosity given the current availability and relative inexpense of generic antivirals nowadays.
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Oh yes this has been discussed by some:

Here is an interesting PDF that I can’t seem to copy and paste from, but I believe is well worth the read:

[link to paperity.org]

[link to gerontologyresearchgroup.wordpress.com]

The effectiveness of viral RNA and DNA inhibition has even hit mainstream media (sort of) when a doctor in rural Liberia was giving Lamivudine to 15 patients with 13 surviving:

[link to www.cnn.com]

[link to www.liberianobserver.com]

Many of the HIV drugs may show some effect, even though Ebola is a RNA virus.
“Ebola virus uses RNA only and does not create any DNA. However, RNA requires nucleotides for its assembly just as does DNA, so it stands to reason it could work for Ebola as well as HIV. In any case, it seems to be working, since the chance of this large a proportion of patients surviving otherwise, without treatment, would be quite unlikely.”

Then there is experimental drug BCX4430:

“BCX4430 is a viral RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp) inhibitor discovered by BioCryst scientists that has demonstrated broad-spectrum activity in multiple viruses and a favorable preliminary preclinical safety profile. RNA polymerase plays a crucial role in viral replication process; transcription and replication of the virus genome. Nucleoside RNA polymerase inhibitors, such as BCX4430, are metabolized to the active triphosphate (nucleotide) form by cellular kinases. The drug nucleotide binds to the viral enzyme active site and becomes incorporated into the growing viral RNA strand, leading to premature chain termination. Interfering with the replication process is a well-established antiviral strategy that has been successfully exploited in developing such life-saving drugs as the nucleoside inhibitors of HIV and acyclovir for herpes simplex complex.”

[link to www.biocryst.com]


“Biochemical, reporter-based and primer-extension assays indicate that BCX4430 inhibits viral RNA polymerase function, acting as a non-obligate RNA chain terminator. Post-exposure intramuscular administration of BCX4430 protects against Ebola virus and Marburg virus disease in rodent models. Most importantly, BCX4430 completely protects cynomolgus macaques from Marburg virus infection when administered as late as 48 hours after infection. In addition, BCX4430 exhibits broad-spectrum antiviral activity against numerous viruses, including bunyaviruses, arenaviruses, paramyxoviruses, coronaviruses and flaviviruses.”

[link to www.nature.com]

[link to www.biocryst.com]


There is Retinazone:

“Retinazone (RTZ) constitutes a novel vitamin A-derived (retinoid) thiosemicarbazone derivative with broad-spectrum antiviral activity versus human immunodeficiency, hepatitis C, varicella-zoster and cytomegalo-viruses. METHODS: The in vitro inhibitory action of RTZ on HIV-1 strain LAI, human hepatitis B virus strain ayw, HCV-1b strain Con1, enhanced green fluorescent protein-expressing Ebola virus Zaire 1976 strain Mayinga, wild-type Ebola virus Zaire 1976 strain Mayinga, human herpesvirus 6B and Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus replication was investigated.”

[link to www.researchgate.net]

Of course we have all heard of ZMapp:

“Here we show that a combination of monoclonal antibodies (ZMapp), optimized from two previous antibody cocktails, is able to rescue 100% of rhesus macaques when treatment is initiated up to 5 days post-challenge. High fever, viraemia and abnormalities in blood count and blood chemistry were evident in many animals before ZMapp intervention. Advanced disease, as indicated by elevated liver enzymes, mucosal haemorrhages and generalized petechia could be reversed, leading to full recovery.”

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The problem is not so much that these drugs are not yet “FDA approved” to treat Ebola, but I believe that if any significant number of cases continue there will be a supply and demand issue.

We have already seen that when requests for ZMapp were denied, because of a supply issue. To date, I believe that every Ebola patient in the US has been treated with some sort of “experimental drug” of some sort.

Could some of these drugs be the silver bullet against Ebola? Possibly, but I do not believe that is in the agenda here, but that is just my personal opinion. If we see more Ebola cases, I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but that is not my realistic expectation. My 2 cents for what it is worth. hf
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
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The tone in your post reads out loud and clear your contempt of our military.

" As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing."

I'm quite sure you never served" So I will only politely point out: "the Military" is deployed at the command of civilians.


No Marine,Airman,Sailor or Soldier EVER SENT HIMSELF TO WAR. If you want have distaste and contempt for any "military madness" you see; save it for the civilian administration employing them. Not for the hardworking unselfish Americans.Who willingly do a dangerous job at the behest of others.

(Usaf MSGT (ret).. All colorful expletives deleted.)
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I have tremendous respect for our men and women in uniform and currently have a very dear family member serving in the USAF. Thank-you for your service. hf
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Earlier in this thread I posted that I personally thought the reason for all of this apparent ineptitude and mismanagement was one of two plausible agendas:


1. planed depopulation.

2. a vaccine agenda.


Upon further reflection, there is a 3rd possibility that plays into both of those other two possibilities, and that is a complete overhaul of our current geo-political system.

I still would like to address especially number 2 in this thread a bit later, as I am more familiar with some of the adverse response to and problems with vaccination, however, I welcome comments on the other two, especially the third option from those of you with more geo-political experience than myself.

I need to attend a birthday party this afternoon, but I will return to this thread to finish what I started.

Thank you all or your kind comments.hf
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P.S.

Please download and save this PDF, you never know when it might come in handy:

[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]

hfhfhf
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Sorry haven't read all of the posts.

After reading excerps yesterday of the story of the guys who first handled Ebola from the Belgium nun in 1976 before it was even identified, it makes me wonder if you have to have direct contact with the vomit or other body emissions when the viral load is extremely high?

These guys pulled a tube of blood out of a thermos, in which the tubes were transported where a second tube had broken, with no gloves on or any protective gear. They didn't get the disease.
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Survivors should avoid sexual contact for at least 3 months.
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I wouldn't kick Nina Pham out of bed right now even if she was eating crackers.
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She's a 5 at best. You gonna risk ebola to bang a 5?
Moran.
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I'm not saying I'd toss her salad but I'd bang her out.
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Sorry haven't read all of the posts.

After reading excerps yesterday of the story of the guys who first handled Ebola from the Belgium nun in 1976 before it was even identified, it makes me wonder if you have to have direct contact with the vomit or other body emissions when the viral load is extremely high?

These guys pulled a tube of blood out of a thermos, in which the tubes were transported where a second tube had broken, with no gloves on or any protective gear. They didn't get the disease.
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Not everyone gets sick from the same exposure. There are differences in immunity, interferon response and other immunologic factors and there is scientific evidence for this. A few lucky people may be infected but not get sick enough to have many symptoms from various viruses that may be lethal to others, Ebola included, but this is rare. I will try to post some of the papers later. Viral load certainly plays a role, that is why the most dangerous patients are those in the last stages of the disease, or those who have recently died.

And of course exposure may also be "luck of the draw"hf

Just my opinion, for what it is worth.

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Thursday, August 5, 1999 Published at 14:34 GMT 15:34 UK

A plant has been found to halt the deadly Ebola virus in its tracks in laboratory tests, scientists have said.

They used a compound from Garcinia kola, a plant commonly eaten in West Africa. Compounds from the plant have also proved effective against some strains of flu. [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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Garcinia Kola

Scientists have known since the 1990s that this drug was effective against Ebola........

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and you can buy it at Walgreens for about 6 bucks.

here's another article..

27 September 1999

Scientists may have found a cure for the deadly Ebola virus in a plant extract used in traditional African medicine [snip]

John Huggins, of the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infective Diseases, who conducted the in vitro tests, emphasised the preliminary nature of the work so far. “This compound has passed the first stage with flying colours, but there is still a long way to go. It may be impossible to develop it into an effective drug.”

The main barrier to the further development of this compound may be financial. Pharmaceutical companies are reluctant to invest resources in the development of drugs against extremely rare tropical diseases.

Nor does the answer lie in the public sector. Iwu explains: “This project now falls outside the scope of the NIH (the US National Institutes of Health) programmes, as it has reached the development stage. Normally a candidate drug at this stage would be expected to be taken on by one of the large companies.” [link to www.timeshighereducation.co.uk]
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Sorry haven't read all of the posts.

After reading excerps yesterday of the story of the guys who first handled Ebola from the Belgium nun in 1976 before it was even identified, it makes me wonder if you have to have direct contact with the vomit or other body emissions when the viral load is extremely high?

These guys pulled a tube of blood out of a thermos, in which the tubes were transported where a second tube had broken, with no gloves on or any protective gear. They didn't get the disease.
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Are you sure that was Ebola and not AIDS? Please link to your source.
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For proper ppe (personal protective equipment) according to CDC director. . . watch starting at 7:15.



What they're doing is so obvious I can't believe we are even still debating this!!!

I mean besides the gloves and the feet, look at those face masks. . . They are not able to protect anyone from anything. They're particle masks (dust masks) They're nothing close to a respirator.

That's like comparing socks to winter boots.

The standard procedure that this thread brings to attention specifically says positive pressure or air purifying respirator. . . . A respirator must be pre-fit tested to ensure no air from outside the mask could enter through the seal of the mask against the face . . He's either really stupid or a liar and I highly doubt he's stupid.

Earlier in the video he's standing within 3 feet of a news guy and being asked if circumstances were such that one or the other had Ebola would the other be safe from infection being neither of them had any protection. . . The CDC director first says they are completely safe. . . Then back peddles a little but not much.

It is so obvious in each and every way they've handled this. . . They don't even care anymore how blatantly obvious their lies are. . . Nobody does anything to stop them.

Remember when he said stopping all flights from these countries would actually make it spread worse than if flights were allowed to continue?? I mean, come on, is this guy for real?


Its like we're living in the twilight zone.

I've been wondering for some time now if all these open borders is just to welcome all the more useless eaters here to get infected. . . There aren't any other countries that are going to purposely infect as many in their nation as possible besides our leaders. . . These aren't nice people, they don't care about anything except killing as many as possible. . . So come on over children, bring your parents, bring all the gangbangers you can find. . . Welcome all ye Haitians, We will even provide all the visa's and transportation needed. Just come die, please.

That's what's what seems to be going on
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Bump for those who missed this post
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And yet the CDC and WHO are sending health care works into infected areas, in Africa and America, with nothing more than a tyvec suit and an N-95 mask. Freiden should be arrested.
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