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Yet another Smoking gun: What the US army (USAMARIID) recommends when treating Ebola.

 
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Directly from the PDF: USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK, Sixth edition April 2005. (This is the “Blue Book of medical management of Biological casualties published by the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Dietrich, Maryland.) These are the people who have handled and studied Ebola and related infections since their discovery in 1976 and have written over 30 years’ worth of papers on Ebola and related its related species of filo viruses.

[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]


Yet, after watching the 2 recent CSPAN hearings on our government’s response to the Ebola situation, I got the distinct impression that no one “knows anything”, no specific guidance has been given, and no one wants to directly answer any questions, and that we are “making this up” as we go along.

We have direct evidence that effective protocols were not followed in the isolation of the first Ebola patient to be treated in a US hospital that was not a facility that was specially prepared to handle a BSL-4 biological agent. If one were to do a report card on how well that response went, a failing grade would be need to be assigned for the advice given by the CDC in PPE, which clearly failed, resulting in the infections of two nurses caring for that patient. Another “F” would need to be given for the lack of direction in the proper handling of laboratory specimens resulting in a panic aboard a cruise ship due to (as it is by now obvious) that there was inappropriate handling of contaminated laboratory material. An “F” would also be given for the apparent lack of consistent clear direction, such as (paraphrasing): “you can’t get Ebola from someone on a bus, but you may be able to give it to someone on a bus”.

No wonder everyone is confused! There has been a clear lack of leadership and direction to the point that the State of New York has now taken it upon itself to quarantine travelers returning from Ebola endemic areas in Africa, as the federal government has clearly abdicated its role to do so.

In this age of “we can’t hurt anyone’s feelings” we have clearly misplaced our priorities of public safety and national security.

The sad thing about all of this is that the protocols for dealing with Ebola and other viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHF) have been clearly and distinctly outlined by USAMRIID’s MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK, (Blue Book) Sixth edition published in April 2005.
Here is what the people who have probably studied these viral agents the longest, who have probably the most direct experience in handling them, and who have been the among the experts in biological warfare agents have to say about this particular subset of viral infections:

From page 74, under the section of “Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers” (VHF) the category that includes Ebola, Lassa, Marburg and others, quoted directly:

“Isolation and Decontamination:"

"All VHF patients should be cared for using strict contact precautions including hand hygiene, double gloves, gowns shoe and leg coverings, and faceshield or goggles. Airborne precautions should be instituted to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, a fit tested HEPA filter-equipped respirator (such as an N-95 mask), a battery-powered air-purifying respirator, or a a positive pressure supplied air respirator should be worn by personnel haring an enclosed space with or coming within six feet of a VHF patient. Multiple patients should be cohorted to a separate building or a ward with an isolated air-handling system. Ideally, VHF patients should be isolated in a negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour. Environmental decontamination is accomplished with hypochlorite or phenolic disinfectants.”

Then again on page 83:

“ISOLATION AND CONTAINMENT:”

These viruses pose special challenges for hospital infection control. With the exception of dengue and hantaviruses, VHF patients harbor significant quantities of potentially infectious virus in blood, body fluids or secretions. Special caution must be exercised in handling hypodermic needles and other sharps which could result in parenteral exposure.

Strict adherence to VHF-specific barrier precautions will prevent nosocomial transmission in most cases.
Lassa, CCHF, Ebola and Marburg viruses may be particularly prone to nosocomial spread.
In several instances, secondary infections among contacts and medical personnel without direct body fluid exposure have been well documented. These instances suggest a rare phenomenon of aerosol transmission of infection. Therefore, when a VHF is suspected, additional infection control measures are indicated. The patient should be hospitalized in a private room with an adjoining anteroom to be used for putting on and removing protective barriers, storage of supplies and decontamination of laboratory specimen containers. A negative pressure isolation room with 6-12 air exchanges per hour is ideal for all VHF patients and is strongly advised for patients with significant cough, hemorrhage or diarrhea.

All persons entering the room should wear double gloves, impermeable gowns with leg and shoe coverings (contact isolation), eye protection, and HEPA (N-95) masks or positive pressure air-purifying respirators (PAPRs).
In the absence of a large, fixed medical treatment facility, or in the event of an overwhelming number of casualties, isolation rooms may not be available for all casualties. At a minimum, VHF patients should be cohorted in a spate building or in a ward with an air-handling system separated from the rest of the building. Access should be restricted to necessary personnel. Personnel should wear contact and respiratory protection while in this patient care area. Personnel should undergo an external decontamination procedure at the point of leaving the patient care area. A building, room, or designated area that is separated from the patient care area should be established for donning and removing protective gear. All waste (including linens) leaving the patient care area should be decontaminated with bleach or quaternary ammonium compounds and double-bagged in clearly labeled biohazard waste bags. Ideally, this waste will be incinerated or autoclaved.

Laboratory specimens should be double-bagged, and the exterior of the outer bag should be decontaminated before transport to the laboratory. Excreta and other contaminated materials should be autoclaved, or decontaminated by the liberal application of appropriated disinfectants. Clinical laboratory personnel are at significant risk for exposure and should employ a biosafety cabinet (if available) with barrier and respiratory precautious when handling specimens.”

(Continued on page 84)
“No carrier state has been observed for any VHF, but excretion of the virus in urine or semen may occur for some time during convalescence. Survivors should avoid sexual contact for at least 3 months. Should the patient die, there should be minimal handling of the remains, which should ideally be sealed in leak-proof material for prompt burial or cremation.”

[link to www.dhhr.wv.gov]

PS: Better save this PDF, things like this have a habit of disappearing and there is a lot of good information in this one. I sent copies of this PDF to all of my State Representatives, along with a letter.

P.S...I thought about posting this on another thread, but I didn't want to hijack someone else's thread hf

Last Edited by emerald eye on 10/26/2014 02:42 AM
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Good Find! Thanks!
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Still nothing of consequence for anyone actually providing care especially given the variability of symptoms.
I guess it's just matching ins to outs with appropriate solns and hope that reverse transcriptase drugs work a la Dr Logans claims.
It should be obvious that accumulating such patients in a hospital setting with general population patients is madness, murder or both.
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Still nothing of consequence for anyone actually providing care especially given the variability of symptoms.
I guess it's just matching ins to outs with appropriate solns and hope that reverse transcriptase drugs work a la Dr Logans claims.
It should be obvious that accumulating such patients in a hospital setting with general population patients is madness, murder or both.
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I think both madness and murder. The questions that we must now ask are who and why? Surely such stupidity cannot be accidental. eekalert
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One thing left out is UVc light decontamination.
that requires some eye and skin protection but it doesnt leave a sloppy mess like bleach does or the risk of chlorine gas generation.
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THANKS!

Threads like this and the link to the pdf you posted are EXACTLY why I come here!
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Stupidity repeatedly from coast to coast with multiple threats and subsequent disinformation and coverup is no accident.
The fact of the matter is that the elites no longer need the public and the public uncontrolled or left alive becomes a wild card simply because the elites are so heavily outnumbered.
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Stupidity repeatedly from coast to coast with multiple threats and subsequent disinformation and coverup is no accident.
The fact of the matter is that the elites no longer need the public and the public uncontrolled or left alive becomes a wild card simply because the elites are so heavily outnumbered.
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Not only are they seriously outnumbered, but they seriously underestimate the abilities of many average people.... but first we must wake up and realized what the threats are, and who is perpetrating them. burnitburnitburnit

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ANYONE planning on dealing with VHF in a catch .as catch can situation or simply in a self isolation situation would be dollars ahead with UVc area and air decontamination to inactivate airborne viral particle transmission and overlooked surface contaminations that anyone with a lick of sense knows is possible.
And lots of flying insect deterrent if and when the bugs find enough contaminated blood and filth sources.
IF IT CAN SURVIVE IN THE ENVIRONMENT ON SURFACES IT CAN BE TRANSMITTED BY ANY NUMBER OF LARGE AND SMALL ANIMAL VECTORS.
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So, greenie obviously you know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Why is there nothing being said about current reverse transcriptase inhibitors when they clearly should be able to have some effect?
Why is there only mention of other unavailable RTI medication that's being withheld for investigational use only?
Has nobody done a combination of Ribovirin and a RTI?
It should work better than either alone.
There's a curious LACK of curiosity given the current availability and relative inexpense of generic antivirals nowadays.
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And please people an n95 mask is simply a waste of money and unsuited to the task for any of about 6 reasons.
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Thank you!
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Thursday, August 5, 1999 Published at 14:34 GMT 15:34 UK

A plant has been found to halt the deadly Ebola virus in its tracks in laboratory tests, scientists have said.

They used a compound from Garcinia kola, a plant commonly eaten in West Africa. Compounds from the plant have also proved effective against some strains of flu. [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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A link to your thread an the link to the document will be ae to the Ebola 2014 thread.

Thank you OP!!

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Still nothing of consequence for anyone actually providing care especially given the variability of symptoms.
I guess it's just matching ins to outs with appropriate solns and hope that reverse transcriptase drugs work a la Dr Logans claims.
It should be obvious that accumulating such patients in a hospital setting with general population patients is madness, murder or both.
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I think both madness and murder. The questions that we must now ask are who and why? Surely such stupidity cannot be accidental. eekalert
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considering our leaders and potus, this done on purpose!!!
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They haven't told us the directives to men who are cured. Are they allowed to ejaculate at all for six months? Seriously, using a condom isn't that safe because then what do you do with it. Pre- cum has virus in it too. They can't jack off into a tissue and just toss it can they? I can see several ways in which a man who is cured can infect others for months just by not washing the sheets. Are they testing these people? Continuing to study them ? I hate the whole pretense of. "Their cured! Go home." The PDF suggests urine could stay contaminated. So what if you sprinkle on the toilet? And you're flushing hazardous waste into the system. And men per in public all the time . Get some on your shoes bring it home. You can see how you could never get this thing under control.
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Even the troops who will return from that area will only have 10 days isolation.... then state side they will have 21 days to check in daily...but still go home and be in the community.

Where is COMMON SENSE people??????????


Stupid people everywhere.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
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Survivors should avoid sexual contact for at least 3 months.
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I wouldn't kick Nina Pham out of bed right now even if she was eating crackers.
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Anyone see the whitehouse press conf. where Josh told the press that nurse Pham has ZERO VIRUS IN HER BODY.

I call BS.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
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The tone in your post reads out loud and clear your contempt of our military.

" As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing."

I'm quite sure you never served" So I will only politely point out: "the Military" is deployed at the command of civilians.


No Marine,Airman,Sailor or Soldier EVER SENT HIMSELF TO WAR. If you want have distaste and contempt for any "military madness" you see; save it for the civilian administration employing them. Not for the hardworking unselfish Americans.Who willingly do a dangerous job at the behest of others.

(Usaf MSGT (ret).. All colorful expletives deleted.)
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It seems like enlisted men continue to make incorrect assumptions when left unsupervised proving yet again they continue to require adult supervision from their superiors.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551207


The tone in your post reads out loud and clear your contempt of our military.

" As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing."

I'm quite sure you never served" So I will only politely point out: "the Military" is deployed at the command of civilians.


No Marine,Airman,Sailor or Soldier EVER SENT HIMSELF TO WAR. If you want have distaste and contempt for any "military madness" you see; save it for the civilian administration employing them. Not for the hardworking unselfish Americans.Who willingly do a dangerous job at the behest of others.

(Usaf MSGT (ret).. All colorful expletives deleted.)
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And thanks for pointing out the complicity and inactivity of the uniformed services who allow themselves to be treated like so many disposable, forgettable rented mules.
You dont deserve any respect from others because you lost every ounce of self respect in order to continue getting paid.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551207


The tone in your post reads out loud and clear your contempt of our military.

" As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing."

I'm quite sure you never served" So I will only politely point out: "the Military" is deployed at the command of civilians.


No Marine,Airman,Sailor or Soldier EVER SENT HIMSELF TO WAR. If you want have distaste and contempt for any "military madness" you see; save it for the civilian administration employing them. Not for the hardworking unselfish Americans.Who willingly do a dangerous job at the behest of others.

(Usaf MSGT (ret).. All colorful expletives deleted.)
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I didn't read the comment to which you responded as referencing military people at all. I think you are a little on the defensive side perhaps.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551207


The tone in your post reads out loud and clear your contempt of our military.

" As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing."

I'm quite sure you never served" So I will only politely point out: "the Military" is deployed at the command of civilians.


No Marine,Airman,Sailor or Soldier EVER SENT HIMSELF TO WAR. If you want have distaste and contempt for any "military madness" you see; save it for the civilian administration employing them. Not for the hardworking unselfish Americans.Who willingly do a dangerous job at the behest of others.

(Usaf MSGT (ret).. All colorful expletives deleted.)
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I didn't read the comment to which you responded as referencing military people at all. I think you are a little on the defensive side perhaps.Un
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I dutifully supplied it after the fact.
If youve never been in you wouldnt understand that the enlisted are worker bees mosttly there because they had no prospects in the civilian world.
if you were ever in a position to deal with that mentality (or lack of any) youd come away frightened for the future.
The enlisted are on borrowed time now that robotics is availabe to take over performance of mindless repetitive tasks with greater effectiveness and with less inefficiency and legacy costs.
The huuman factor is being transitioned out.
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The military has excellent protocols to deal with this issue it should not be a surprise to anyone of what or how this issue has to be handeld.

Great source of information anyone in the military or knows someone should be reminded and read this manual.

Thanks op!

hf
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The military has excellent protocols to deal with this issue it should not be a surprise to anyone of what or how this issue has to be handeld.

Great source of information anyone in the military or knows someone should be reminded and read this manual.

Thanks op!

hf
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Maybe but it doesnt translate into any benefit to the public or the nation now, does it?
The military has stopped existing for national cultural defense and now exists only as a PREAETORIAN GUARD.
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As long as they collect their pay for doing nothing things will only get worse.
the ones purposely allowing contagion of of this nature would only do so if they are sure they have a guarantee they wont be affected.
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Zero performance penalties.

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The military has excellent protocols to deal with this issue it should not be a surprise to anyone of what or how this issue has to be handeld.

Great source of information anyone in the military or knows someone should be reminded and read this manual.

Thanks op!

hf
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Maybe but it doesnt translate into any benefit to the public or the nation now, does it?
The military has stopped existing for national cultural defense and now exists only as a PREAETORIAN GUARD.
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Some Praetorian Guard,
they get disarmed whenever their emperor appears before them.
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Thursday, August 5, 1999 Published at 14:34 GMT 15:34 UK

A plant has been found to halt the deadly Ebola virus in its tracks in laboratory tests, scientists have said.

They used a compound from Garcinia kola, a plant commonly eaten in West Africa. Compounds from the plant have also proved effective against some strains of flu. [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Garcinia Kola

Scientists have known since the 1990s that this drug was effective against Ebola........

Garcinia kola or bitter kola is a tree that grows in the rain forests of west Africa. The fruit, seeds, nuts and bark of the plant have been used for centuries in folk medicine to treat ailments from coughs to fever. According to a report from the Center For International Forestry Research, garcinia kola trade is still important to the tribes and villages in Nigeria.

The side effects reported from the garcinia kola use in this study were weight loss, increase in sex drive and extended sleep. that could cause a problem! You give a drug that increases sex drive and then remind patients that their semen is infected for three or more months after they are cured.
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Good Catch, OP!

This video is 10 days old but this narrator does
an excellent job of "re-capping" for us what we
know as of 10-26-2014....I highly recommend ANY
AMOUNT OF TIME you can spare to watch it. I learned
a great deal from his organized and thoughtful
presentation. (He gets into a bit of a rant about
Mr. Obama and the democrats after the 1 hour mark
--probably because going over all of this is so
very upsetting to him...and rightfully so! More
Americans should be upset!)

[link to www.youtube.com]
FairUSE
(Some folks on the thread where I posted it last
week complained about his "delivery"--guess they
didn't like his voice or something--but just get
over his personality and LISTEN to what he has
to say.)

Thanks for this thread, OP--very interesting about
the military. Maybe our boys overseas fighting
ebola won't get infected if they have this kind of
info and follow it!
cheers
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