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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28543046 United States 10/21/2014 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This case highlights the problem of the hatemongers who insist on handing out restraining orders like candy. Because men and children get screwed over with even the slightest accusation from a woman just dilutes resources that could go to help abused spouses and children who are truly in danger. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28543046 Not so sure about that... I think there are more valid restraining orders against male ex spouses and partners then you might imagine. Already, a few women here have told their own similar story. Here's an article to show the point. Sadly, it is not an uncommon response, for a mentally ill loser to want to kill himself, or to think - "If I can't have her, no one will". Even taking out the whole family can happen, in their desperation. "About 40 percent of women killed worldwide are done so by a partner, according to the World Health Organization's first global review of violence against women." [link to www.usnews.com] I think I did not explain myself clearly. What I mean is I do agree that there needs to be restraining orderers for anyone who is truly in danger. However many of them are bogus and the woman is just using it to remove the man from the home and to get custody of the kids. So the courts, law enforcement, and other resources are dilluted when they should be focusing on the real cases. All a woman has to do is go to court and say "I am afraid of him" and the man is removed from the home and from the lives of the children. Rules of evidence do not apply in DV court, in fact the judges often ignore evidence and just rule based on hearsay. Then the good parent is removed while the abusive parent gets custody. |
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CowgirlK
User ID: 59948382 United States 10/21/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I cried when I read your words. I can't even imagine the pain you and your family went through dealing with such a tragic loss. Losing a child is a parents worst nightmare!!! I have always prayed that I leave this planet before my children because I don't think I could live without them. You courage and strength to continue on in life after your beautiful and precious daughter was taken from you is a true inspiration to me. Thank you for sharing your story. Light, love and prayers to you as the anniversary of approaches. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19876247 United States 10/21/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, nobody should EVER have to go through this and I am truly touched that you reached out to us - although there is no comfort and she is truly gone... Please know that I and anyone else here that wishes you well will lift you up on that hideous anniversary Oct 27th and attempt to give you strength and light -and her mother and children too. |
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(OP) User ID: 60779794 Canada 10/21/2014 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow! Your post really hit home with me. Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo My world turned upside down on October 19, 2005 Thread: Please Send Prayers For Rev. Stargazer And Her Family Though our stories start out similarly, my daughter survived. 12 cranial surgeries and permanent brain damage but she is still here and I thank God every day. Blessings to you and your family. Thank you for sharing. I know what a terrible time you must have gone through. I'm so glad she survived her ordeal. Blessing to you, her and your entire family. Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin |
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User ID: 44353767 United States 10/21/2014 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She's beautiful. I am sure your grandchildren remind you of her and I'm happy you all have them. So sorry to read what happened to your daughter- I just can't even imagine. I have a son in college and a daughter about to go, I think about the people they will have in their lives and maybe get married one day, you just never know. My heart goes out to you. Oct. 27 is my birthday- hope you maybe spend the day with your sweet grandkids. xo |
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User ID: 20821455 United States 10/21/2014 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my 2 cents, words can barely express my sadness for you and your families loss. I hope that your memories of your beautiful daughter give you comfort. And that the time you spend with your grandchildren has helped ease the pain of your loss. Thank you for sharing your story. It certainly puts into perspective how precious each day is that we spend with our loved ones. "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." Marcus Tullius Cicero |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64369373 United States 10/21/2014 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is the worse thing any parent should ever have to go through. I'm sorry for the loss of your dear loved one. If I lost one of my daughters I feel I would be destroyed. Quoting: Yuga Sage Stay strong. My thoughts also. So sorry you are having to go through this. I don't know if I could survive it. I'm glad you and your ex have been there for the grand kids. I'm sure she is looking down and happy that they are receiving so much love. |
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User ID: 63219621 United States 10/21/2014 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | October 27, 2005 The day my world was turned upside down forever. Quoting: my 2 cents As the 9th anniversary of this day approaches I thought I'd share this story with my fellow GLPers. It's not something I mention very often, but find that talking about it always helps. Thursday, October 27, 2005 started out like any other day. I was up by 6 AM and out the door and on my way to work by 7. I made a quick stop at the local coffee shop, grabbed one to go and was at work by 7:30. Around 9:30, just as I was sitting down for a break, my boss opened the door to my work area and handed me the phone. I was surprised to hear my ex-wife, who I very rarely talked to, on the other end telling me I better get home quick because our daughter Sandra (age 29) was missing. "Huh?, what?, she's missing? What's going on?" Well, she said in a panicked voice "I went to her place this morning at 6am as usual to babysit the (grand) kids. But she wasn't there and the front door wasn't closed." "The kids" she said (2 boys 11, and 2 and one girl 4) "were all in there beds sound asleep but no sign of Sandra." I was already in a daze as I swallowed hard and asked "Have the police been called?" "Yes", my ex replied "and they are very, very concerned, especially since Ed has been making so many threats against her lately." Ed was the man my daughter had recently separated from. They'd been together for 12 years and gave me my 3 beautiful grandchildren. About 3 years before they split up something had changed with Ed. He quit working and started doing drugs day and night. He started hanging out with some real losers and had all but given up on being a dad. My daughter cajoled, pleaded and pretty much begged him to get a grip and start being the man he once was. But it was all to no avail. Finally, at wits end she told him he had to leave, but left open the possibility of reconciling if he would only change his ways. But instead of changing he kept getting worse and was rapidly becoming a drug addled zombie. When my daughter refused several times to take him back the threats started. "Sandra, if you don't take me back I'm going to kill my self" or "Take me back or I'll kill you." As frightened as she was she never wavered in her refusal to take him back, and instead applied for and received a restraining order against him. The restraining order never did do much good as he continued to harass her without the police doing more than giving him repeated warnings. I put the phone down, stuck my head in the bosses door and told him I had a family emergency and had to go home. "No problem" he said. "Hope everything is okay" Even then I had a horrible feeling that everything was definitely not okay. I wasn't sure where to go first so I went straight to my daughter's house. A chill ran up and down my spine as I turned on to her street. It was blocked off on both ends and anyone who didn't have business being there was being turned around. I remember walking past a van that was labeled "forensics unit" as well as a canine unit truck and more police cars and vans than I could count. As I approached her house which was also cordoned off I heard my ex saying "there he is." Accompanied by two detectives she ran up to me and gave me a hug. She was a mess and I could tell by looking at her that she was totally distraught. By now I was as much a mess as she was. The two detectives asked me some questions and I suppose, being satisfied that I had nothing to do with Sandra's disappearance answered some of my own questions. As near as they could tell they thought she had been lured from the house around 4am. Lured because there were no signs of a struggle in the house and the kids had not woken up. Once outside they thought she had likely been forced into a vehicle since she would never leave the kids home alone in the middle of the night. And since she also had to be at her job as a Personal Support Worker by 7am, there was very little chance that she'd just up and gone for a joyride at 4am. Since there wasn't much I could do there other than watching the police scurrying about I decided to go home and await developments. The detective in charge assured me they'd call as soon as any information became available. When I got home I started calling friends and relatives and by noon I had a house full of anxious and worried people who were trading theories and trying to reassure me and each other that it would all be okay. To this day my most vivid memory of that whole crazy time was when two police cars followed by an unmarked car pulled up in front of my house.I looked up at my kitchen clock and at all the stunned faces in the room. It was exactly 5:03 pm when two officers and a detective got out of the unmarked car and knocked on my front door. They were followed by two women who had been in the first police cruiser. I opened the door and knew by the looks on all their faces what they were about to tell me. A farmer west of town was out checking his property that afternoon. He had found a burned out car and in that car were what appeared to be two badly burned bodies. The detective thought it might be my daughter and her ex. "Might be?" I yelled. "Is it her or isn't it?" The officers looked at each other and then at me as the detective answered "We believe it's her." At this point I sat down in my chair and just stared into space as the detective started talking about the investigation,autopsy, evidence and some other stuff I wasn't paying much attention to. Everyone else in the house went quiet and apart from some sobs and sniffles it was deathly still. Sensing that some of the others and I were about to lose it the ladies with the officers (who were grief counselors) took over as the officers stood by. After half an hour or so I told them all I would like to be alone with my friends and family and they left. The investigation into my daughter's murder never determined the exact cause of her death. All they could tell for sure was that she was already dead when the car burned because there was no soot in her throat. Ed, on the other hand, did die a horrible death as he incinerated himself in the flaming wreck. Sandra was a wonderful, devoted mother and a daughter any dad would be proud to have. She was studying to be a paramedic and was about to graduate with honors in spite of all her personal problems. Of course I still grieve her death to this very day. But, I also realized that life must go on and if I let my grief destroy me I'd be just as much a victim as her. Thanks for taking the time to read this. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Some of the last pictures taken of Sandra in 2005 On the fifth anniversary of her murder, me and some friends put together a little memorial for her. My 2 youngest grand kids are the ones playing in the machine. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Finally, one of the many news reports about her murder. All the papers listed her age as 32 but it was actually 29. [link to www.zoominfo.com] Hugs to you, OP. Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61561286 United States 10/21/2014 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for sharing your story, my 2 cents. What a beautiful girl. I lost my youngest child and only son when he was 19. That was 6 years ago. I know anniversaries are especially hard.....you are in my thoughts tonight. Much love . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59224834 United States 10/21/2014 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ((((OP))))) so sorry for the devastating loss of your daughter. I do know exactly how you feel. My 17 year old son who was my heart my soul, my pride and my joy died 8 1/2 year ago. Life will never be the same. I keep waiting for things to feel normal again and they never do. i hope your daughter sends you a sign as her angeldate is coming up to remind you that she is always near. |
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User ID: 25454873 United States 10/21/2014 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hugs for you OP. Thank you for opening up and sharing with us. The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. ~ Narrator (Idiocracy) |
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User ID: 62880502 Puerto Rico 10/21/2014 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My heartfelt condolences on such terrible ordeal and loss for you, her mom and, her three children. By Sandra's pictures it can be seen that she was a lovely looking woman who I am sure is missed every single day. God bless you and give you all the strength to continue to live without her and the will that allows you to go towards the future in her honor. *A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you will look forward to the trip." |
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Thread Thrasher User ID: 62406743 United States 10/22/2014 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for sharing, even though it is most likely a cathartic exercise on your part. I also find that sharing your grief with others can be a helpful thing to do for your own benefit. The fact that you have shared this here on GLP, with the GLP family, is especially heartwarming. The love that I have found in this thread is amazing. You have managed to touch those who have daughters as well as those who are themselves, in abusive and possibly life threatening relationships. I myself, have 5 daughters. One of them happens to be 29 years old and has given me three grandchildren. I simply cannot imagine what it would be like to lose her to something as senseless as this, let alone lose her at all. I am so proud of the GLP family response to this. There really are so many people here who care. Please accept my condolences ... I know that it will never get easier but I am glad that you can at least let the rest of know about Sandra's life and through doing so, you may be able to get some of that poison out of your system. Are we there yet? "So if we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto, we'll just be bogus too" Jeff Spicoli "Don't take any wooden nickels" Pugtard |
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User ID: 8621069 United States 10/22/2014 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a Father myself, hell, as a fellow Human being, My Heart aches for what you & your Loved ones have had to endure. I cannot begin to imagine the agony, pain, grief, love, fond memories & hatred that must flood through you. I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
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User ID: 69911686 United States 08/29/2017 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OH My....and the anniversary is coming soon....I have no words...no words. I can only hope God has granted you some peace. Last Edited by Truthserum on 08/29/2017 06:39 PM FACTS Don't Give a DAMN about your FEELINGS! |