Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear | |
emerald eye
(OP) Keeping an "eye out" for the truth. User ID: 39877195 United States 10/13/2014 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear for other professionals who read the deathcare 'insurance' and understand the nature of aerosolized viruses that have almost zero survival exit the field, treat when you must,as it worsens... highest precautions remember morbidity if 100% dying...why mess around with catching it??? Many of us will help people as effectively as we can, but taking unnecessary risks is just plain stupid. Most of us are not stupid, and the fact that the contacts of Ebola patients who are getting infected seem to be health care workers is not lost on the vast majority of us. Trust me on this…there is a current. Courage forges a path through all obstacles, while fear is the obstruction of all dreams. The only way that anyone gets something for nothing, is that someone else has given up something for nothing. |
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emerald eye
(OP) Keeping an "eye out" for the truth. User ID: 39877195 United States 10/13/2014 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear you need the full plastic hazmat suit with a refrigerated airsupply (for cooling and breathing). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61708997 the kind that blows-up and makes you look like the Michelin Man. . That would be ideal in working with a patient with a potential BSL4 agent. I just cant understand why the CDC expects us to believe that the same agent that requires BSL4 precautions in their lab, is supposed to be OK to work around in a health care setting with so much less PPE and no respirator. Oh wait, its us and not them.... Courage forges a path through all obstacles, while fear is the obstruction of all dreams. The only way that anyone gets something for nothing, is that someone else has given up something for nothing. |
emerald eye
(OP) Keeping an "eye out" for the truth. User ID: 39877195 United States 10/13/2014 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Good night all, I will try to answer any questions that this thread generates tomorrow. Courage forges a path through all obstacles, while fear is the obstruction of all dreams. The only way that anyone gets something for nothing, is that someone else has given up something for nothing. |
robomont
User ID: 51352024 United States 10/13/2014 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear this is the info i asked last night on here about. thankyou emerald eyes for a very detailed report.maybe the nurses will be seeing this and stand up and say no ,not until i get a pressurized suit. the cdc let us down and betrayed us. im not god but i play one on glp. |
Lilbabez33
User ID: 58342800 United States 10/13/2014 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear I totally agree with you, Quoting: Earl of Grey Ebola reston ( a type which only is lethal to monkeys) was proven to be transmissible by aerosol at very low doses and actually there were cases of 6 human handlers being infected with this virus by aerosol transmission. [ [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Reston genetically is very similar to ebola zaire. Also, if ebola zaire is not transmissible by aerosol transmission then why is it classified as a biosafety level 4 disease? (“for work with dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol- transmitted laboratory infections”) see slide 10, [link to www.cdc.gov] Take a look at what the CDC does when they have to be in contact with ebola [link to www.cdc.gov] Read the steps that must be implemented in a BSL-4 lab, including insect and pest control, now think of Duncan's apartment, with possible roaches scurrying at night through his ebola mattress, and maybe rats licking at his vomitus, then right on to the next guy's apartment and walking over dishes and sinks... Think of all the possible ways we are screwed. The pressure washing of his vomit from the sidewalk. Ugggg. YES, I agree with what you said and therein lies the problem that my brain just can't wrap around. Because of the rats and the roaches and the airborne/aerosolized droplets, there should be a shitload more people coming forward that are infected. Where are they? If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -Albert Einstein ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude about the problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in a moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul .......................................................................... Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world ..................................... ..................................... "And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand it's meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment." -JFK .......................................................................... |
Texas Brushpopper
User ID: 58749174 United States 10/13/2014 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear ER Nurse here. A few years back, I signed up for a 2 day hazmat class. It was free, I got paid for going, and they had catered lunch... So why wouldn't I? It was very interesting and had lots of hands-on training for level B hazmat. Level B is what I would guess... SHOULD be the minimum hospital staff should be using when caring for an Ebola patient. It's basically a Tyvek suit, PAPR respirator, rubber boots and gloves, with the suit arms and legs taped over them. Here's what sucks: They are expensive for the hospital to purchase. They require a fair amount of training. They are very cumbersome. We donned our suits and had hazmat drills for roughly 45 minutes in 80 degree weather. By the time we were finished, most of us were exhausted, soaked in sweat, etc. The PAPRs were shitty quality at best. Constantly malfunctioning, missing parts, etc. IMO, the hospitals/CDC know damn well that this is required to safely care for an Ebola patient. They also realize that it is a logistical nightmare to go this route. So what do we get? A throw away paper gown, N95 Mask and some rubber gloves. Shit's about to get real Texas Brushpopper |
emerald eye
(OP) Keeping an "eye out" for the truth. User ID: 847075 United States 10/13/2014 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear I think you are so right... Thanks for weighing in, and take care of yourself. I can put up with a fair amount of discomfort in order not to die, if given those two options as a choice, but most people are not really thinking about it seriously. They can only twist the facts for so long. They do not have the logistics or the incentive to deal with the proper precautions for all who will need them, and the CDC knows it. Shit's about to get real. Last Edited by emerald eye on 10/13/2014 01:51 AM Courage forges a path through all obstacles, while fear is the obstruction of all dreams. The only way that anyone gets something for nothing, is that someone else has given up something for nothing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33754627 United States 10/13/2014 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear "Persons with no known direct contact with Ebola virus disease or their bodily fluids have become infected.12” That is extremely disturbing to me. That needs to be clarified. If that is The case I would say within a few years Our country will be in ruins. Let alone Africa And the rest of the world. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63983842 United Kingdom 10/13/2014 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear To convince you through signs that it is airborne. Claim: it's airborne. Signs: mysterious infection despite standard protocols You then use the signs to 'prove' the claim's truthfulness But what if the claim: (It's airborne) is a lie? That makes the signs: (infection despite standard protocols), lying. For months leading up to today's latest news, the same pulpit has given you horses and Trojan horses and heroin. Horse is slang for heroin. What if a toxin is placed into the heroin supply? Seemingly random people will start falling sick all around us, mainly in large cities first. . Millions are recreational users using their drug in private without friends or families aware of it. So, having been convinced that health care workers are falling sick via an airborne virus through the pulpit of mass media, we all will conclude that the random people around us falling sick are getting sick via the same method. Yet they are lying signs which prove a lie as true. But tainted heroin may be the true claim and therefore the sick people are true signs of the true claim. Now I'm not saying this is the reality, but rather giving a caution of how lying signs and wonders work on us. They are lying because they are given as evidence of a claim that is a lie itself. The real claim however is the truth and if you were aware of it, the people falling sick are actually proof of it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31058171 Canada 10/13/2014 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Thank you for posting Emerald!! To be honest, THAT is the reason I thought this was all a hoax: Only a FOOL would possibly try to handle Ebola with less than BSL4. We've known that for decades now. We've had Ebola outbreaks before. We had to know BSL-2 wouldn't cut it going in. In other words, trying to contain Ebola with BSL-2 is a token gesture. Barely better than going naked. Pointless. So either this is all fake, or they know we are so utterly fucked they can't actually do anything about it. I say again, you CANNOT contain a BSL-4 infectious agent under BSL-2 standards. I'm sure the freaking CDC knows this. Therefore it's either fake and not Ebola, or it is Ebola and it's beyond containment. You can't set up BSL-4 level containment in an infected place after the fact. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63946021 United Kingdom 10/13/2014 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear One of the most compelling posts I have EVER seen on GLP. The CDC and authorities MUST consider this as a possibility, considering the scientific evidence (Spanish Nurse, Texan nurse, many many HCWs infected in Africa)... They don't have to scare us but they do have a duty to investigate rather than presume an error was made. It's obvious to me that aerosol xmission is a possibility, and a likely one at that. I speak as a PhD-qualified physicist, an honorary research fellow with 000's of citations for papers with my name on them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31058171 Canada 10/13/2014 02:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear I'm sincerely hoping it really is just a giant immunization scam, because that would be by far the easier to deal with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61708997 United States 10/13/2014 02:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear you need the full plastic hazmat suit with a refrigerated airsupply (for cooling and breathing). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61708997 the kind that blows-up and makes you look like the Michelin Man. . That would be ideal in working with a patient with a potential BSL4 agent. I just cant understand why the CDC expects us to believe that the same agent that requires BSL4 precautions in their lab, is supposed to be OK to work around in a health care setting with so much less PPE and no respirator. Oh wait, its us and not them.... yes. but that's all rigging the hospital's should already have installed. but the don't. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31058171 Canada 10/13/2014 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear you need the full plastic hazmat suit with a refrigerated airsupply (for cooling and breathing). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61708997 the kind that blows-up and makes you look like the Michelin Man. . That would be ideal in working with a patient with a potential BSL4 agent. I just cant understand why the CDC expects us to believe that the same agent that requires BSL4 precautions in their lab, is supposed to be OK to work around in a health care setting with so much less PPE and no respirator. Oh wait, its us and not them.... yes. but that's all rigging the hospital's should already have installed. but the don't. . Most hospitals barely have the funding to continue daily operations to begin with, and even then it's often by cutting corners. No offense to you actual health workers, you astound me with what you deal with and how you make do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61708997 United States 10/13/2014 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear you need the full plastic hazmat suit with a refrigerated airsupply (for cooling and breathing). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61708997 the kind that blows-up and makes you look like the Michelin Man. . That would be ideal in working with a patient with a potential BSL4 agent. I just cant understand why the CDC expects us to believe that the same agent that requires BSL4 precautions in their lab, is supposed to be OK to work around in a health care setting with so much less PPE and no respirator. Oh wait, its us and not them.... yes. but that's all rigging the hospital's should already have installed. but the don't. . so. see? we're actually no better off than those wretched souls in West Africa. . |
Texas Brushpopper
User ID: 58749174 United States 10/13/2014 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear A few questions for healthcare workers: If this does become a pandemic... Will you take the vaccine? To not, would surely mean getting fired. Oh sure, you can lawyer up with Dewey, Cheatem and Howe.. file a big-ass lawsuit and maybe win in 5 years. But what will be left of this world by then? I don't know about y'all, but I am the primary breadwinner of the house. I make a comfortable living, but we have a mortgage, car payment, utilities, etc. I can't just quit my job and go work at Wally World. Question 2: If the Ebola shit is truly hitting the fan.. Odds are that sooner or later, healthcare workers are going to get infected. Wouldn't it be a gamble to purposefully get infected very early on? I mean shit... Get admitted early when they can load your ass up on antivirals, fluids, the total support of the whole fucking hospital. Be the lone motherfucker in a 24-bed ICU with a fuck-ton of top notch Drs, nurses, ancillary staff at your disposal. Imagine getting it late in the game when the place is overwhelmed, people are dying all over the place, half of the staff has bugged out. Take a 50-50 gamble on beating it and getting those precious antibodies? Fuck, I need another beer Texas Brushpopper |
robomont
User ID: 51352024 United States 10/13/2014 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear sandblasting respirator hood +- 850$ trying to figure out how to post pic. Last Edited by YOUR HANDLER on 10/13/2014 03:18 AM im not god but i play one on glp. |
robomont
User ID: 51352024 United States 10/13/2014 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear [link to www.nortonsandblasting.com] heres a link and this setup along with some high end neoprene duckhunting waders and gloves will hook you up for any weather.only thing is you have to have hoses hooked up to it.ive worn these before in middle of east texas summer and they are cadillac. and they are pressurized around head down to neck level.with gasket around neck Last Edited by YOUR HANDLER on 10/13/2014 03:24 AM im not god but i play one on glp. |
deathpossum
User ID: 22718508 United States 10/13/2014 03:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear damn you again norton. so, without a tombstone making outfit (most of the guys around here just wear a mask), I would say around 200 yards would make a good barrier. [Your rights are] "wherever we're willing to draw a line and say 'you cannot come across this line or I'll kill you.' That's where our rights are. If you don't understand that, folks, then it's beyond my capability to explain it to you. They will get away with whatever you let them get away with. And until you draw the line and you're willing to die for what you believe in, they will keep taking and taking and taking and taking, until there is no more left to take. Then, it's all gone, and you're a slave." -bill cooper |
robomont
User ID: 51352024 United States 10/13/2014 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear [link to t.basspro.com] and heres the perfect waders with boots built in and knee pads. so basically a compressed air supply and 1500$ would put a suit ,anywhere in the world. im not god but i play one on glp. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63952251 United States 10/13/2014 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Thank you for posting Emerald!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31058171 To be honest, THAT is the reason I thought this was all a hoax: Only a FOOL would possibly try to handle Ebola with less than BSL4. We've known that for decades now. We've had Ebola outbreaks before. We had to know BSL-2 wouldn't cut it going in. In other words, trying to contain Ebola with BSL-2 is a token gesture. Barely better than going naked. Pointless. So either this is all fake, or they know we are so utterly fucked they can't actually do anything about it. I say again, you CANNOT contain a BSL-4 infectious agent under BSL-2 standards. I'm sure the freaking CDC knows this. Therefore it's either fake and not Ebola, or it is Ebola and it's beyond containment. You can't set up BSL-4 level containment in an infected place after the fact. Add to this that clusterfuck OBOMACARE is EBOLACARE. We are all dead real soon |
deathpossum
User ID: 22718508 United States 10/13/2014 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Thank you for posting Emerald!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31058171 To be honest, THAT is the reason I thought this was all a hoax: Only a FOOL would possibly try to handle Ebola with less than BSL4. We've known that for decades now. We've had Ebola outbreaks before. We had to know BSL-2 wouldn't cut it going in. In other words, trying to contain Ebola with BSL-2 is a token gesture. Barely better than going naked. Pointless. So either this is all fake, or they know we are so utterly fucked they can't actually do anything about it. I say again, you CANNOT contain a BSL-4 infectious agent under BSL-2 standards. I'm sure the freaking CDC knows this. Therefore it's either fake and not Ebola, or it is Ebola and it's beyond containment. You can't set up BSL-4 level containment in an infected place after the fact. Add to this that clusterfuck OBOMACARE is EBOLACARE. We are all dead real soon You won't be without either a.) a $2000 suit or b.) keep away from infection. To me it's not that hard to figure out. [Your rights are] "wherever we're willing to draw a line and say 'you cannot come across this line or I'll kill you.' That's where our rights are. If you don't understand that, folks, then it's beyond my capability to explain it to you. They will get away with whatever you let them get away with. And until you draw the line and you're willing to die for what you believe in, they will keep taking and taking and taking and taking, until there is no more left to take. Then, it's all gone, and you're a slave." -bill cooper |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61708997 United States 10/13/2014 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Thank you for posting Emerald!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31058171 To be honest, THAT is the reason I thought this was all a hoax: Only a FOOL would possibly try to handle Ebola with less than BSL4. We've known that for decades now. We've had Ebola outbreaks before. We had to know BSL-2 wouldn't cut it going in. In other words, trying to contain Ebola with BSL-2 is a token gesture. Barely better than going naked. Pointless. So either this is all fake, or they know we are so utterly fucked they can't actually do anything about it. I say again, you CANNOT contain a BSL-4 infectious agent under BSL-2 standards. I'm sure the freaking CDC knows this. Therefore it's either fake and not Ebola, or it is Ebola and it's beyond containment. You can't set up BSL-4 level containment in an infected place after the fact. Add to this that clusterfuck OBOMACARE is EBOLACARE. We are all dead real soon wish it didn't have to be this way. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31058171 Canada 10/13/2014 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Thank you for posting Emerald!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31058171 To be honest, THAT is the reason I thought this was all a hoax: Only a FOOL would possibly try to handle Ebola with less than BSL4. We've known that for decades now. We've had Ebola outbreaks before. We had to know BSL-2 wouldn't cut it going in. In other words, trying to contain Ebola with BSL-2 is a token gesture. Barely better than going naked. Pointless. So either this is all fake, or they know we are so utterly fucked they can't actually do anything about it. I say again, you CANNOT contain a BSL-4 infectious agent under BSL-2 standards. I'm sure the freaking CDC knows this. Therefore it's either fake and not Ebola, or it is Ebola and it's beyond containment. You can't set up BSL-4 level containment in an infected place after the fact. Add to this that clusterfuck OBOMACARE is EBOLACARE. We are all dead real soon You won't be without either a.) a $2000 suit or b.) keep away from infection. To me it's not that hard to figure out. Imagine you're the CDC and trying to contain this. Two thousand dollars for every health care worker and support staff involved in Ebola? Couldn't afford that if they wanted to, and it's already far too late. |
deathpossum
User ID: 22718508 United States 10/13/2014 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Attention Health care workers: Why health care workers are being infected with Ebola despite protective gear Always the optimist, eh? RNA viruses are the quickest to mutate, and since no one is doing anything about it, nor quarantining, this will probably happen. Even the CDC, which is a bunch of derelict sub-par government paid scientist drop outs in Atlanta think it's possible. And they just take their government check, do their government paycheck requirements, and clock out at 5pm. They got this! [Your rights are] "wherever we're willing to draw a line and say 'you cannot come across this line or I'll kill you.' That's where our rights are. If you don't understand that, folks, then it's beyond my capability to explain it to you. They will get away with whatever you let them get away with. And until you draw the line and you're willing to die for what you believe in, they will keep taking and taking and taking and taking, until there is no more left to take. Then, it's all gone, and you're a slave." -bill cooper |