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User ID: 62535644 United States 09/17/2014 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the two witnesses of the apocalypse are the Jews and the Christians. God bless. [link to www.thewarningsecondcoming.com] Rise now and accept My Seal, the Seal of the Living God. Recite this Crusade Prayer (33) to acknowledge My Seal and accept it with love, joy and gratitude. O my God, my Loving Father, I accept with love and gratitude Your Divine Seal of Protection. Your Divinity encompasses my body and soul for eternity. I bow in humble thanksgiving and offer my deep love and loyalty to You my Beloved Father. I beg You to protect me and my loved ones with this special Seal and I pledge my life to Your service forever and ever. I love You Dear Father. I console You in these times Dear Father. I offer You the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son In atonement for the sins of the world and for the salvation of all Your children. Amen. Go, My children and do not fear. Trust in Me, Your beloved Father, who lovingly created each of you. I know every single soul, every part of you is known to Me. Not one of you is loved less than the other. Because of this I do not want to lose one soul. Not one. Please continue to pray My Divine Mercy Chaplet every day. One day, you will understand why this purification is needed. Your Loving Father In Heaven |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/17/2014 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your words are true and correct. None the less if I do not get to see a fire breathing zombie prophet I am going to be a little disappointed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60439461 lol "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
Mrdlaw4Jc User ID: 62258556 United States 09/17/2014 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know that some of you, maybe all of you have the belief that the two witnesses are two actual individuals who are going to appear in Jerusalem, preach, be killed, and then rise up after 3 days. Quoting: furPete'sSake First off, I respect that view and I'm not trying to tell you what to believe. I would like to deepen your understanding of the bible and its teachings however. We have the saying that Elijah will come before the terrible day of the Lord. Just before Christ appeared on earth, the religious Jews had become apostate, which is the main reason that they could not recognize Christ. And so "Elijah" appeared in the person of John the Baptist. John denied that he was Christ and also, that he was Elijah. He lived in the desert, dressed like Elijah and to the people who were looking for him, certainly seemed to be that great prophet. So what did he do? He baptized these people "unto repentance". He couldn't have baptized all Israel, but he did a fair number. When Jesus came, he said that Elijah had come, "if you will accept it". By that he meant that John had come, "in the spirit of Elijah", and what was that spirit, other than the Holy Spirit. Now we see in scripture that God has witnesses, the two tablets of the testimony, the two books of Judaism, the Torah and the Tanach, ( the Law and the Prophets, symbolized by Moses and Elijah) the Old and New Testaments. And then he has his people, all the believing witnesses who ever lived, and all the believers of today. These are the two olive trees, one cultivated, one wild and grafted in, the Jews and the Gentiles. The twelve commandments are hated and thrown out of places, the Torahs are burned, the bible is held up to ridicule daily and Jews and Christians are hated world wide for their belief. We are killed all day long. Even on this forum, people spit at us and wish us dead. Some believe they have sound reason for that and the world is going to be better off without us. When God withdraws his Holy Spirit and all of us are gone from the world, then they will weep and want us back, like pharaoh did the fleeing Israelites. They will experience the worse Hell on earth that there has ever been, that's what they've got to look forward to. Well what do we have that they really hate? We have the Spirit of God and they hate God. No matter what they do to us, we just keep coming back. And we come and we witness of God and of Christ, in the Spirit of Elijah. As many as they kill and rejoice over, more of us just stand up, but not of our own strength. All glory to God, amen. Spot on! 1 John 3:13-24King James Version (KJV) 13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/17/2014 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Acts 1{8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62942305 Canada 09/17/2014 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible is widely misinterpreted. Here's what's happened. There was a guardian assigned to this world when it was created, note the two creation stories in genesis, one is God, the other creator is LORD which in original writings was four letters representing the name. This world was created for the natives and was a light world, think their heaven. They loved the earth and took care of it. The guardian was tricked and let evil beings in to heaven. A fight broke out, guardian was thrown to earth. The evil being then began creating...Adam and eve. The first non native people. The evil being demanded worship, sacrifices, war, complete submission to him, he also talked directly to people. His reign is documented in the old testement. Now Jesus does not come from the god of isreal, he came from a father you've never seen and his voice has never been heard, it's in John where Jesus says this, chapter 5 I think. Jesus said he came from the kingdom of heaven, not heaven. He corrected the god of Israel's commandments, preached kindness, love and forgiveness. Why would a father speak directly to us and then send his son to clear things up? Wouldn't happen. So why the mass confusion? Well when Jesus came he lived among the Jews. They worshiped the god of isreal. After he died the Jews who believed Jesus was not from this world assumed when Jesus said his father that he meant the god of isreal. The rest of the New Testament was written by human, Jews who believed. They are not perfect and wanted to hold on to the religion of thier fathers and Jesus. How many people has the god of isreal killed? Too many to count. No one from the kingdom would kill, in fact they would go to their death and not protest. Jesus came in a human body so no one could change his message like in a vision. The two witnesses will most likley be from the god of isreal, because if they were from the kingdom they would be peaceful. |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/18/2014 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Acts 5, Peter says that the Holy Spirit indwelling believers is also a witness 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/19/2014 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For clarification to the little weasel that gave me red and ran away, not bothering to post his theological defense, probably because he has none, I don't think that I am Elijah. God is a 7 fold Spirit and He gives out His Spirit in measure. Elijah had a full measure as did John the Baptist. Elisha received a double portion. Each believer receives an in-filling and is constantly renewed if he deserves it. The full body of believers all together has a full measure, as they have spiritual gifts from God, and it is not us, but God's Holy Spirit that is always the Witness, whether He appears as Elijah, Elisha, John or Himself. In the Revelation of Christ, we see seven Spirits and seven churches, symbolizing perfection, one Spirit to each church. Last Edited by Furrry Pete on 09/19/2014 02:02 PM "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
Inerrancia
User ID: 63060657 Spain 09/20/2014 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know that some of you, maybe all of you have the belief that the two witnesses are two actual individuals who are going to appear in Jerusalem, preach, be killed, and then rise up after 3 days. Quoting: furPete'sSake First off, I respect that view and I'm not trying to tell you what to believe. I would like to deepen your understanding of the bible and its teachings however. We have the saying that Elijah will come before the terrible day of the Lord. Just before Christ appeared on earth, the religious Jews had become apostate, which is the main reason that they could not recognize Christ. And so "Elijah" appeared in the person of John the Baptist. John denied that he was Christ and also, that he was Elijah. He lived in the desert, dressed like Elijah and to the people who were looking for him, certainly seemed to be that great prophet. So what did he do? He baptized these people "unto repentance". He couldn't have baptized all Israel, but he did a fair number. When Jesus came, he said that Elijah had come, "if you will accept it". By that he meant that John had come, "in the spirit of Elijah", and what was that spirit, other than the Holy Spirit. Now we see in scripture that God has witnesses, the two tablets of the testimony, the two books of Judaism, the Torah and the Tanach, ( the Law and the Prophets, symbolized by Moses and Elijah) the Old and New Testaments. And then he has his people, all the believing witnesses who ever lived, and all the believers of today. These are the two olive trees, one cultivated, one wild and grafted in, the Jews and the Gentiles. The twelve commandments are hated and thrown out of places, the Torahs are burned, the bible is held up to ridicule daily and Jews and Christians are hated world wide for their belief. We are killed all day long. Even on this forum, people spit at us and wish us dead. Some believe they have sound reason for that and the world is going to be better off without us. When God withdraws his Holy Spirit and all of us are gone from the world, then they will weep and want us back, like pharaoh did the fleeing Israelites. They will experience the worse Hell on earth that there has ever been, that's what they've got to look forward to. Well what do we have that they really hate? We have the Spirit of God and they hate God. No matter what they do to us, we just keep coming back. And we come and we witness of God and of Christ, in the Spirit of Elijah. As many as they kill and rejoice over, more of us just stand up, but not of our own strength. All glory to God, amen. Too much commandments, but very interesting reflection |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/21/2014 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol, don't know what I was thinking, thanks "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/21/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/21/2014 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe anyone is "afraid or annoyed", it's just theologically interesting and blessed are the people who read the book and contemplate it. I believe it's safe to say that the Revelation of Christ is filled with symbols, ones that readers can discern by knowing all of the bible. It also doesn't make sense if we accept symbols and then jump to literal meanings. My opinion anyway "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
Lester User ID: 32092149 United States 09/21/2014 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe anyone is "afraid or annoyed", it's just theologically interesting and blessed are the people who read the book and contemplate it. Quoting: furPete'sSake I believe it's safe to say that the Revelation of Christ is filled with symbols, ones that readers can discern by knowing all of the bible. It also doesn't make sense if we accept symbols and then jump to literal meanings. My opinion anyway I sure care NOTHING about your "beliefs". What do you KNOW? Conjecturing and spinning bullshit you've come up with from your own rationalization of Scripture? You are skipping happily down the path of anti-Christ... Trust your rationale (lack there of) but can't Trust God Fully and tell HIM so? Were you able to do so, Father Witnesses this is what HE Would Enable for you: 26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (from Ezekiel ch 36) Get the bit about "Keep MY Judgments and DO Them"??? Knowing God's Will and DOing it... A new thing for you; to have witness rather than conjecture. To have actually Been Enabled to See and Know God In Your Life.... What do you think the Two Witnesses mean in your context? They mean NOTHING>. Unless you are Born-Again; Enabled To Do God's Will BY The Father, Christ Jesus Will Deny/Reject you! 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (From Matt ch 7) You are a self-willed carnal-heart who has no Relationship or Knowledge. Think you are clever? Think God thinks your errors are fine by HIM? HE Does Not! Time for you to quit bullshitting self and others and decide if you will answer God's Call... If you were Born-Again per Ezekiel 36 you would KNOW. St. John Gives The Same Witness in 2nd chapter of his 1st Epistle: 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Until you ARE HIS, Christ Witnesses you are merely a "worker of iniquity" which is to say an operator with a carnal-heart. Until you have a Born-Again Heart you have no witness... |
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(OP) User ID: 62666924 United States 09/21/2014 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe anyone is "afraid or annoyed", it's just theologically interesting and blessed are the people who read the book and contemplate it. Quoting: furPete'sSake I believe it's safe to say that the Revelation of Christ is filled with symbols, ones that readers can discern by knowing all of the bible. It also doesn't make sense if we accept symbols and then jump to literal meanings. My opinion anyway I sure care NOTHING about your "beliefs". What do you KNOW? Conjecturing and spinning bullshit you've come up with from your own rationalization of Scripture? You are skipping happily down the path of anti-Christ... Trust your rationale (lack there of) but can't Trust God Fully and tell HIM so? Were you able to do so, Father Witnesses this is what HE Would Enable for you: 26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (from Ezekiel ch 36) Get the bit about "Keep MY Judgments and DO Them"??? Knowing God's Will and DOing it... A new thing for you; to have witness rather than conjecture. To have actually Been Enabled to See and Know God In Your Life.... What do you think the Two Witnesses mean in your context? They mean NOTHING>. Unless you are Born-Again; Enabled To Do God's Will BY The Father, Christ Jesus Will Deny/Reject you! 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (From Matt ch 7) You are a self-willed carnal-heart who has no Relationship or Knowledge. Think you are clever? Think God thinks your errors are fine by HIM? HE Does Not! Time for you to quit bullshitting self and others and decide if you will answer God's Call... If you were Born-Again per Ezekiel 36 you would KNOW. St. John Gives The Same Witness in 2nd chapter of his 1st Epistle: 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Until you ARE HIS, Christ Witnesses you are merely a "worker of iniquity" which is to say an operator with a carnal-heart. Until you have a Born-Again Heart you have no witness... So then search the scriptures to see if the things I have said are true or not. That's all you can do. If you have other beliefs, be like the rest of us and start your own thread. "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
Lester User ID: 32092149 United States 09/21/2014 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furry, Not really a matter of "mind" here. It is your heart that has failed to answer God's Call, otherwise you would possess witness rather than conjecture. What does any of Revelation's Witness matter to you if you are absent from The Knowing Conveyed By God Unto HIS People? Think this subject matters, but Abiding In and With God is just "talk" that has nothing for you? FACT is, If you can't surrender self Unto The Father, Father has no Relationship with you... Talking Great Tribulation events here, on your thread... Just never looked at matthew 24:21-24? The Witness about how EVERY Christian (except) "The Very Elect" will be suffering misdirection and deception in the final moments??? The deception is already here and plain as the nose on your face if you cannot "elect" to Trust God and give HIM your life. The young prince who asked Jesus "what must I do to Follow YOU" is no different from any of us. Jesus' Witness is not about the money, although HE Tells him to be rid of it. It ain't his money the prince was fighting to hold onto, it was self... If we would BE Father's and Abide In-HIM, we must Trust HIM Fully. Jesus Witnesses in John 17 that HIS People, those Entrusted To HIM By Father and then Returned To Father BY HIM, are "Preserved against all evil"... Not like were you Born-Again God's Two Witnesses would hold more than an awareness and knowledge for you. Certainly not something to conjecture about. Go on and have fun with your Bible study game. There is nothing Revealed through Scripture beyond some basics if you have a carnal-heart. You may get enough awareness to understand that God Has Called Your Heart, but without Love and humility to act upon HIS Call, you remain in the iniquitous state which gets you only Rejection By Christ Jesus. |
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(OP) User ID: 63108722 United States 09/21/2014 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Lester, we are to admire zeal, but not zeal without knowledge. You frightened me so much that I went and hid under a juniper bush for much of the day, until I got hungry, then I ate some bread, and prayed, as instructed by Christ: Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Notice, I did not pray for my will to be done, or even Lester's. God has not given us a spirit of fear, and so we are not to fear that Jezebel spirit that lurks about, seeking to confront, accuse, confuse and cause turmoil in others. That is a controlling spirit that wants to dominate, judge, and most importantly rule, his and her will is what matters to them. You ask me what I know, and then pretend to tell me. You pretend to know what's in my heart, and all about my relationship with God. You somehow think that I have committed an egregious sin by daring to share some gospel verses with a few people. It seems that you are perhaps more annoyed that I just offered a view for thought rather than insist that what I said was true and then beat up anyone who dared to disagree, even though both of us know that no part of the gospel is of a private interpretation. We are to search the scriptures to see if those things be true, but you were more interested in attacking the messenger. What do I know? I know in Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day. "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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(OP) User ID: 63108722 United States 09/22/2014 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys are all lying to your selves and subsequently each other. Do not pretend to know anything, for you do nut. Be humble and go about your way. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54607220 Sorry God does not lie and His Spirit is not a lying spirit Romans 10 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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User ID: 63186494 Spain 09/23/2014 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Lester, we are to admire zeal, but not zeal without knowledge. Quoting: furPete'sSake You frightened me so much that I went and hid under a juniper bush for much of the day, until I got hungry, then I ate some bread, and prayed, as instructed by Christ: Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Notice, I did not pray for my will to be done, or even Lester's. God has not given us a spirit of fear, and so we are not to fear that Jezebel spirit that lurks about, seeking to confront, accuse, confuse and cause turmoil in others. That is a controlling spirit that wants to dominate, judge, and most importantly rule, his and her will is what matters to them. You ask me what I know, and then pretend to tell me. You pretend to know what's in my heart, and all about my relationship with God. You somehow think that I have committed an egregious sin by daring to share some gospel verses with a few people. It seems that you are perhaps more annoyed that I just offered a view for thought rather than insist that what I said was true and then beat up anyone who dared to disagree, even though both of us know that no part of the gospel is of a private interpretation. We are to search the scriptures to see if those things be true, but you were more interested in attacking the messenger. What do I know? I know in Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day. My friend, that paragraph in red is biblical itself. The Bible is within you too, you're living the words, and the Word. I haven't felt so moved by such single and honest lines from a man from long time ago. The rest looks like a Paul's letter, lol Please, let me share here these lines. They come from the beginning of the faith in The Christ (and you can interpretate them privately): And he said: He who shall find the interpretation of the words shall not taste of death. Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until: finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and if he is troubled, he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Jesus said: If those who lead you say unto you: Behold, the Kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will be before you. If they say unto you: It is in the sea, then the fish will be before you. But the Kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then shall you be known, and you shall know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if ye do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty. (Gospel of Thomas) |
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(OP) User ID: 63108722 United States 09/23/2014 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Lester, we are to admire zeal, but not zeal without knowledge. Quoting: furPete'sSake You frightened me so much that I went and hid under a juniper bush for much of the day, until I got hungry, then I ate some bread, and prayed, as instructed by Christ: Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Notice, I did not pray for my will to be done, or even Lester's. God has not given us a spirit of fear, and so we are not to fear that Jezebel spirit that lurks about, seeking to confront, accuse, confuse and cause turmoil in others. That is a controlling spirit that wants to dominate, judge, and most importantly rule, his and her will is what matters to them. You ask me what I know, and then pretend to tell me. You pretend to know what's in my heart, and all about my relationship with God. You somehow think that I have committed an egregious sin by daring to share some gospel verses with a few people. It seems that you are perhaps more annoyed that I just offered a view for thought rather than insist that what I said was true and then beat up anyone who dared to disagree, even though both of us know that no part of the gospel is of a private interpretation. We are to search the scriptures to see if those things be true, but you were more interested in attacking the messenger. What do I know? I know in Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day. My friend, that paragraph in red is biblical itself. The Bible is within you too, you're living the words, and the Word. I haven't felt so moved by such single and honest lines from a man from long time ago. The rest looks like a Paul's letter, lol Please, let me share here these lines. They come from the beginning of the faith in The Christ (and you can interpretate them privately): And he said: He who shall find the interpretation of the words shall not taste of death. Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until: finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and if he is troubled, he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All. Jesus said: If those who lead you say unto you: Behold, the Kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will be before you. If they say unto you: It is in the sea, then the fish will be before you. But the Kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then shall you be known, and you shall know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if ye do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty. (Gospel of Thomas) Thank you, I. The interesting thing about Elijah was that he just appeared, out of nowhere, like King Melchizadek. He has no lineage except speculation. He was a sojourner, and moved as God directed him. He was jealous for the Lord God of Hosts. You can compare his Spirit with that of the Holy Spirit, which moves wherever it will (John 3:8), goes where God directs Him to go, and in the OT, even rested "outside the camp" on two individuals, much to the consternation of those within the camp. People like to put limits on God. And when Elijah left, he did not die, he went fearlessly out and was lifted up in the Chariot. The Spirit then went into Elisha. And as Paul said, we have this treasure in clay vessels (2 Cor 4) showing that the Spirit is all of God, not of us. The New Testament expressly says that born again believers are given the Spirit of Truth, who will teach us all things, even the deep truths of God. He always points to Christ, never to Himself and especially not to us. No man can limit this Spirit or tell others that they can't have it, although they try. He is in the camp, and He is outside the camp. That's one way to tell if the teacher, the prophet, the pastor, whoever is true, who does he come pointing at? "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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also known at WA User ID: 54218278 United States 09/23/2014 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe anyone is "afraid or annoyed", it's just theologically interesting and blessed are the people who read the book and contemplate it. Quoting: furPete'sSake I believe it's safe to say that the Revelation of Christ is filled with symbols, ones that readers can discern by knowing all of the bible. It also doesn't make sense if we accept symbols and then jump to literal meanings. My opinion anyway It could be both. Jesus spoke literally as well in parables. Just saying. The Two Witnesses have always been a puzzle to me. That they are wearing sackcloth, sounds like literal people not just the Hebrews and Christians. God Bless Isaiah 5:20 KJV Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One |