Physics: WHAT If I Told You The Mass Into Space Is Irrelevant Since It Have NO Weight

That's a shame. All of Italia or just you?

Thank you, we are all learning. Knowing there are others who gain from my insights encourages me to be more insightful. It is a wonderful cycle.

I disagree, the Moon pulls on the Oceans. Rocks are tugged by planets with no atmosphere. In fact, a planet with no atmosphere still has a gravitational pull.

What did thrusters from an Apollo moon mission push off of in outer space if it is virtually a vacuum? How could a course be set to and from the moon?

You all universe's Unified Field formula of your subatomic world; its has only two states, that which is assimilated and that which is seeking assimilation. There are no in between.

basic uni-directional thruster--

you obtain combustion (force) by igniting oxygen (B.Y.O.O2) with fuel (unless its solid fuel) from your thruster that allows emission in a single direction, which ejects mass in one direction, and forces your ship to go in the opposite direction (less resistance)

Of course, if you try the same trick close enough to the sun, the mass of the sun and it's resulting gravitational pull is enough to counter the thrust force, hence....you needed to build a bigger engine or stay away from the sun in the first place.

EDIT: My apologies...I think you were responding to somebody else rather than asking the question. Anyway...

Sorry about that. I'm dense sometimes.



Last Edited by Kezar Stanyan on 08/12/2014 12:39 PM

Right, now I am tremendously confused. You are the electric everything guy and now you are telling us that's it gravity that sticks water to surfaces, not electricity?

I suppose there is some sort of backward symmetry in saying planets are attracted by electricity but water adheres by gravity.

I'm assuming you mean helium balloons. The are squeezed up because the gas is more expanded than the denser air under it, so the denser air tries to equalise it but instead of doing so, it pushes it up. If gravity was a force, this shouldn't happen. It happens because gravity is a made up load of baloney and atmospheric pressure is the key to everything that happens on Earth.

How about just being plain and simple. What this singularity space garbage. Lat it out so people can understand what you are talking about.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that what you see in the sky is a big floating ball of rock? Come on, use your mind.
Space as we are told, does not exist.

The simple answer is, it can't. No man nor craft can go much higher than about 100,000 feet and I'm being ultra generous here.

If that was the case, why even ignite anything? What's the point of igniting a fuel to move in space?
It's all hogwash.

yeah but get in the way of an object in space bet it still gonna hurt

Just because it does not have weight, (Which is wrong btw, we just can't comprehend)

EVERY ATOM has intelligence at its core. every tiny piece of intelligence is connected and is one. It all goes back to the same source and is still connected. The universe is ONE living organism.

so gravity is just air pressure? Then everything in a vacuum chamber is weightless? Something tells me you've never tested your bullshit hypothesis.

Here are my observations about the second largest planet in the solar system, Saturn.
Its mean density is .687gm/cmcubed. That means if it could be setting in a galactic ocean then it would float. Its composition is 96% hydrogen and 3% helium. Jupiter's composition is similar. The Sun's is less at 73.46% hydrogen and 24.85% helium. Why doesn't Saturn turn into a star or Jupiter for that matter? It doesn't look like it would take much to do it. Saturn gives off twice as much radiation as it receives from the Sun. Do the polar vortices of Saturn and Jupiter indicate a pattern of planetary formation that would give credence to a hollow earth theory?

How do the rings of Saturn appear to defy the randomness of gravity that all of its moons are subject to? Instead tight discs shaped rings are at the equatorial plane. Why? Even a much larger Sun with a host of orbiting bodies cannot manage to pull that off and line everything up like a thin record disc.

You can't have weight without having a man made measuring scale.
The only time you can be measured in terms of your mass, is by atmospheric pressure pushing against that mass whilst that mass pushes back.
Put a scale there and you gain a man made measurement of your mass, called a weight measurement.

No atmospheric pressure, no weight measurement.
A vacuum chamber on Earth can only evacuate most NOT ALL of the atmosphere inside the chamber and yes I've done tests to prove I'm correct.

Would you care to tell me how a so called planet that is 99% made up of hydrogen and helium (BOTH TRANSPARENT GASES) can have the colours we supposedly see through pictures shown to us?

Also tell me how those gases just manage to stay together when clearly helium and hydrogen are pushed up and away on this Earth, so what's keeping them from being pushed away on your Jupiter and saturn so called planets of gas?

You really need to have a serious think on what you are being fed and I say that respectfully.

Why not? You would still have denser air around it.

Igniting it releases more kinetic energy than just releasing it.

I doubt you've done tests to show that weight decreases in a vacuum chamber.
If gravity was just air pressure than anything with the same surface area would weigh the same. Density would mean nothing.


If gravity was just air pressure then a torsion balance would not work at all
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The colors come from the other gasses. You said yourself that it isn't 100% hydrogen and helium. Gravity keeps them together. It still works weather you believe in it or not.

If "gravity" holds gaseous planets together and makes them perfect spheres then why are the rings the exception to the rule? The compositions of both Jupiter and Saturn are 99% hydrogen and helium. Scientists say the core of Saturn consist of "metallic" hydrogen. What is that? The surface gravity of this planet is slightly higher than earth's.

The rings are orbiting.



Hydrogen that has been heavily compressed into a solid.
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The surface gravity of this planet is slightly higher than earth's.

Yes, and?

Any object has intertia, besides weight is more a measurement of how much mass an object has, not how many pounds an object weighs in the presence of gravity.


Try to understand Newtons laws a little better.


...the weight of an object varies in proportion to the strength of the gravitational field, its mass is constant (ignoring relativistic effects) as long as no energy or matter is added to the object. Accordingly, for an astronaut on a spacewalk in orbit (a free-fall), no effort is required to hold a communications satellite in front of him; it is "weightless". However, since objects in orbit retain their mass and inertia, an astronaut must exert ten times as much force to accelerate a 10‑ton satellite at the same rate as one with a mass of only 1 ton.





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Yes, and?


Jupiter is next door with a similar composition but yet its gravitational force is 2.5 times that of the earth and saturn. Its mean density is twice that of Saturn. Same composition so to speak but it became an apple instead of an orange.

Why don't the moons orbit in the same fashion? Why do the rings collect at the equatorial plane? How does a planet have large amounts of compressed hydrogen in a metallic state not characteristic of the element but yet the mean density is 2/3rds of water? It looks like you have somebody that is heavily into theory and throwing jello at a wall hoping some of it will stick.

Go and dilute a bottle of water with 1% colour and see if you get a opreety pattern.
As for gravity keeping the gases together, tell me why the so called Earth's same gases get lost in space, as we are being told.
It's all nonsense and totally made up scientific bullshit that simply baffles people's brains so they simply don't question it due to the fact they know nothing about it, just as scientists don't. It's a perfect way to stop anything being proved isn't it? It's like the rotating sphere of Earth bullshit. Any rational person should know that the Earth is no spinning frigging ball.

Explain in a supposed near vacuum?

Let's go by the space people's idea of space. It's a vacuum, we are told. Heat cannot expand anything in a vacuum, so where's this more kinetic energy? It might as well be a water jet.
I mean, the point is irrelevant because ntihing would work in a near vacuum anyway.

This!

The same surface area means nothing. It's about the density of any object exerting a force against a force over it's area.

For instance...if you place a sponge on scales and an equal sized gold bar, the atmospheric pressure pushing down onto both against the push back is remarkably different, for obviously reasons.
The sponge is already porous so most of that sponge is actually equalised with the atmospheric pressure so it's push back is extremely minimal. To find out how minimal the atmospher is acting on it, squash it as tight as you can into as dense a form as you can. What you will notice is that sponge is now the size of a pea or smaller, depending on how compressed you can mechanically squash it, so all you have acting on it, is what atmospheric pressure is acting on that pea sized area....not much, meaning it will not register much measurement.

A gold bar is entirely different because it's super dense already and trying to squeeze it's area down much less would take super mechanical pressure. Basically it's area repels the atmospheric pressure as is, meaning a lot of psi on teh area, making the gold bar as dense and heavy as we feel it.

You take away atmospheric pressure and you take away your ability to measure any object.
Just remember that man made scales are made under atmospheric conditions too, so they already have the atmospheric psi working on them, like everything else.

Gravity doesn't exist..it's all to do with atmospheric pressure, no matter what youc an come up with, as long as the lie of space isn't used.