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How I grow food year-round despite harsh winters

 
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My high tunnel aquaponic garden was previously featured on C2C back in 2011 shortly after I had built it: [link to www.coasttocoastam.com]

I'm writing to share an update because my project has expanded to such a degree--and in such strange directions--that I think a lot of you will be fascinated by what I'm doing and will hopefully be inspired to create your own systems.

I now not only grow huge amounts of blue tilapia (more than enough to feed my family), I successfully grow lots of edible bananas, figs, and other tropical crops here in Kansas...using almost no electricity or complex technology.

My main goal has been to figure out how to grow healthy 'real' food year-round in a state with harsh winters. My first system, the one featured on C2C, accomplished this via what I call high tunnel aquaponics. Here is a brief pictorial tour showing how that system progressed from 'boring' vegetables into a rainforest burgeoning with bananas and papayas: [link to www.greenfingardens.com] . That system satisfied my goal fairly well and was fairly inexpensive ($2,500 to build myself), but it was more complicated than most folks would want to manage, so I tried to come up with a better system that more people could adopt.

My second year-round food production system is far simpler and even more productive: a well insulated semi-pit tunnel greenhouse that is very cheap ($1,500 to build myself), extremely robust (withstanding winds in the 70-80 mph range on a half-dozen occasions), easy to manage, and, most important, amazingly productive. Even without heating, the lowest the temperature got in there this past winter was 39F...despite three separate polar vortexes that plunged our outdoor air temps to -10F. That allows me to not only grow enough vegetables over the winter to feed a small army (especially stuff like lettuce, spinach, beets, and even sweet potatoes), but to also grow fun tropical and semi-tropical crops like bananas and figs. Sure the bananas stop growing for a few months and die back a bit in the dead of winter, but they come roaring back in the spring because it just doesn't get cold enough to do substantial damage to them. What's more, this makes for a perfect environment for safely raising native fish like catfish year-round. The only power this system really needs is a measly 40 watts to power a small inflation fan that inflates the space between the two layers of greenhouse plastic. This inflation not only creates an extremely effective layer of insulation, it provides rigidity to the plastic, causing wind to slide over it rather than whip and shred it. Here's a pictorial tour that shows the construction and the various crops I've grown in there: [link to www.greenfingardens.com]

These are just simple test systems, but they have been amazingly productive. Hopefully they'll inspire other folks to create their own such systems...or even better systems!

My Dad is Type 2 diabetic, and I started this project primarily as a means to help keep him healthy if he were unable to get his meds for an extended period. It then quickly expanded into a search for a good answer to the question, "How can we keep everyone well-fed regardless of circumstances, whether it's war, pandemics, economic collapse, power grid failure, EMP's, shipping breakdowns, solar flares, peak oil, radical climate change, nuclear meltdowns, etc?" I don't know when or if most of those things will occur, but I sincerely believe that there are simple--and easily scalable--methods for safeguarding ourselves against them, at least from a food-production standpoint. If people lose access to food, society will disintegrate; but if we can all remain well-fed in a calamity, that gives us a good chance at not just surviving it, but thriving in spite of it.

That's why my big-picture goal is to create arrays of decent sized (~10 acre) highly intensive off-grid greenhouse food production facilities, arranged in satellite fashion around communities, that can provide a complete and exceptionally healthy diet that is entirely produced within a few miles of where it is eaten. Virtually anything can be grown in this manner by tailoring the design of each greenhouse to naturally provide the specific environmental needs of whatever is being grown in it. This style of hyperlocalized food production would not only allow folks to have direct and constant access to healthier food (no need for GMO's in our pampered greenhouse environments, for example), we'd get far tastier food, since we'd grow the best tasting varieties rather than the best shipping varieties, and we'd pick them when they're ripe rather than when they'd ship the best.

Anyway, thanks for reading. Hope it can be helpful to some of you.
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Thank you so much for this info, OP. Not really into it myself yet but know I should be.
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You could have a really big one and incorporate goats. That'd be great in a modified quonset.
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Goats would eat the plants, plumbing, fish and greenhouse.

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Got to agree, goats are omnivorous. The only thing they would leave alone would be the metal fixtures and fittings!

LOL
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I don't know... I saw one eat a beer can once lol
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This might be the most useful thread in years, thanks. I have land with perfect south exposure but mine is on a hill, about 20 degrees gradient, quite steep. Got any design for hilly areas?
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Thank you so much for this info, OP. Not really into it myself yet but know I should be.
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Start small with one row covered by plastic to extend the growing season. Or maybe one raised garden plot with plastic covering. That's how I started winter gardening.

One or two broccoli plants, a few onions, a little cut and come again lettuce, a little chard and carrots will give you fresh veggies well into the winter.

Or even just a small salad garden would be a good place to start, as lettuce, radishes, carrots and green onions are all cold hardy. Use leaf lettuce or romaine as you can just take leaves off, don't have to take the whole plant.

You can even plant those plants in 5 gallon buckets with loose dirt and some mulch of some kind in them and grow them on a balcony or in a sheltered sunny spot with plastic over them. For occasional hard freezes , you can put a Hot Hands in amongst them and cover them with a couple of blankets and they will make it.

Use your imagination. Invite friends for dinner in January and serve them fresh from the garden. The admiration will spur you on to greater things.LOL
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You could have a really big one and incorporate goats. That'd be great in a modified quonset.
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Goats would eat the plants, plumbing, fish and greenhouse.

hiding
 Quoting: SerenaSeesAll


Got to agree, goats are omnivorous. The only thing they would leave alone would be the metal fixtures and fittings!

LOL
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


I don't know... I saw one eat a beer can once lol
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lmao

I used to feed my grandfather's goat cigaret butts. Then I found out years later I was poisoning him. He loved them!
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My high tunnel aquaponic garden was previously featured on C2C back in 2011 shortly after I had built it: [link to www.coasttocoastam.com]

I'm writing to share an update because my project has expanded to such a degree--and in such strange directions--that I think a lot of you will be fascinated by what I'm doing and will hopefully be inspired to create your own systems.

I now not only grow huge amounts of blue tilapia (more than enough to feed my family), I successfully grow lots of edible bananas, figs, and other tropical crops here in Kansas...using almost no electricity or complex technology.

My main goal has been to figure out how to grow healthy 'real' food year-round in a state with harsh winters. My first system, the one featured on C2C, accomplished this via what I call high tunnel aquaponics. Here is a brief pictorial tour showing how that system progressed from 'boring' vegetables into a rainforest burgeoning with bananas and papayas: [link to www.greenfingardens.com] . That system satisfied my goal fairly well and was fairly inexpensive ($2,500 to build myself), but it was more complicated than most folks would want to manage, so I tried to come up with a better system that more people could adopt.

My second year-round food production system is far simpler and even more productive: a well insulated semi-pit tunnel greenhouse that is very cheap ($1,500 to build myself), extremely robust (withstanding winds in the 70-80 mph range on a half-dozen occasions), easy to manage, and, most important, amazingly productive. Even without heating, the lowest the temperature got in there this past winter was 39F...despite three separate polar vortexes that plunged our outdoor air temps to -10F. That allows me to not only grow enough vegetables over the winter to feed a small army (especially stuff like lettuce, spinach, beets, and even sweet potatoes), but to also grow fun tropical and semi-tropical crops like bananas and figs. Sure the bananas stop growing for a few months and die back a bit in the dead of winter, but they come roaring back in the spring because it just doesn't get cold enough to do substantial damage to them. What's more, this makes for a perfect environment for safely raising native fish like catfish year-round. The only power this system really needs is a measly 40 watts to power a small inflation fan that inflates the space between the two layers of greenhouse plastic. This inflation not only creates an extremely effective layer of insulation, it provides rigidity to the plastic, causing wind to slide over it rather than whip and shred it. Here's a pictorial tour that shows the construction and the various crops I've grown in there: [link to www.greenfingardens.com]

These are just simple test systems, but they have been amazingly productive. Hopefully they'll inspire other folks to create their own such systems...or even better systems!

My Dad is Type 2 diabetic, and I started this project primarily as a means to help keep him healthy if he were unable to get his meds for an extended period. It then quickly expanded into a search for a good answer to the question, "How can we keep everyone well-fed regardless of circumstances, whether it's war, pandemics, economic collapse, power grid failure, EMP's, shipping breakdowns, solar flares, peak oil, radical climate change, nuclear meltdowns, etc?" I don't know when or if most of those things will occur, but I sincerely believe that there are simple--and easily scalable--methods for safeguarding ourselves against them, at least from a food-production standpoint. If people lose access to food, society will disintegrate; but if we can all remain well-fed in a calamity, that gives us a good chance at not just surviving it, but thriving in spite of it.

That's why my big-picture goal is to create arrays of decent sized (~10 acre) highly intensive off-grid greenhouse food production facilities, arranged in satellite fashion around communities, that can provide a complete and exceptionally healthy diet that is entirely produced within a few miles of where it is eaten. Virtually anything can be grown in this manner by tailoring the design of each greenhouse to naturally provide the specific environmental needs of whatever is being grown in it. This style of hyperlocalized food production would not only allow folks to have direct and constant access to healthier food (no need for GMO's in our pampered greenhouse environments, for example), we'd get far tastier food, since we'd grow the best tasting varieties rather than the best shipping varieties, and we'd pick them when they're ripe rather than when they'd ship the best.

Anyway, thanks for reading. Hope it can be helpful to some of you.
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We have a room on the first floor of our 3 floor mountain home for growing herb...ventilation...(pot smell sucks), lighting, sealed grow room...mmmm...herb
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Grow veggies too for a balanced diet!
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This might be the most useful thread in years, thanks. I have land with perfect south exposure but mine is on a hill, about 20 degrees gradient, quite steep. Got any design for hilly areas?
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Well, I am not the OP and don't have any engineering background, but here goes.

I would start with a raised bed about 4feet by 10feet. This will allow you to reach in from either end to the middle, and give you about 30feet of row with narrow aisle in between.

You can accommodate for the slope by making the downhill side of the bed enough taller than the uphill side to give you a level bed. Adjust ends accordingly too. Or if you are young and strong, you can excavate a bit to bring your surface more level.

You could do metal conduit or PVC hoops or you could do a sturdy ridgepole on the N side and cover it with plastic. There are a lot of instructions on Youtube for making tunnel gardens, so I'll let you follow one which suits your circumstance best.

For the ridgepole, I had a 2x4 at either end right at the edge of the bed. My husband made it with a 1x4 wooden crosspiece between the 2x4s. He fastened the 2x4s to the end of the bed. If doing it now, I would put them inside the bed, using treated lumber. The reason for this it to provide a better seal for the plastic. You could also use metal fence post.

The crosspiece served to string Christmas lights to heat the tunnel when the weather was cold, and then in Spring I took the tunnel down and used it for green bean trellis.

When you place your plastic, leave enough on both ends to be able to fold them over and envelop the tunnel. I used sturdy spring clamps to secure the ends. This will allow you to unclamp and access the food inside. You will also want something to press down the plastic on the ends, such as a couple of concrete pavers or good sized rocks.

On the long sides you can lash the plastic down with straw bales which also insulates the structure, or, as I did, I had 2 long 2x4s which I laid on the edges of the overhanging plastic and then just rolled them up. This held them through some strong winds.

The main thing to remember about plastic structures is that they will flap themselves to pieces in strong winds unless restrained.

You can drive tent pegs into the ground every 12-18 inches or so of the length and crisscross cord across the top, back and forth over the ridgepole. I have used clothes line, baling twine, even sturdy garden twine for this. It does not have to be particularly strong, it just needs to keep the sides from flapping.

If the weather turned particularly cold, I have added a second layer of plastic, or used that roll float over the rows or even bubble wrap, and added warmth with Hot Hands or gallon jugs filled with hot water.

Root crops, broccoli/brussels sprouts, and greens do well as winter crops. There is nothing like a carrot fresh out of the ground in the middle of January. :-)

I hope this helps. I think it is good to start small and learn your way around according to your own environment.

I think you are better off with 3 tunnels that you can easily tweat and tend than one new greenhouse that you don't really know personally that fails under a hard freeze or snow.

Charles Dowding is a well known British gardener/instructor who has a lot of good things to say. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

You should watch this Elliot Coleman video:

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I have seen people paint water jugs black and place them in small greenhouses. The black absorbs the suns heat and releases it at night keeping the inside from freezing. Wonder if this could be incorporated here somehow in these hoop houses ?
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Yes, they could easily be used. I was looking at a video yesterday where he used small barrels of water across the whole north wall. Thanks for the suggestion.
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How to Build a $17.50 Greenhouse Without Any Tools

John from [link to www.growingyourgreens.com] shares with you building his $17.50 greenhouse that he purchased from Big Lots on clearance sale. In this episode you will see how easy it is to build this no-tool assembly greenhouse. In addition, John will share the reasons why he is building this greenhouse and his thoughts and opinions on the quality of the greenhouse. After watching this episode you will learn if this vinyl inexpensive greenhouse is one you should consider adding to grow more food in the colder months.


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Starter project:

Mini Greenhouse
Skip to 1:06 to go right to the greenhouse if you don't want to hear my intro. I built this mini greenhouse in my back yard over a raised garden bed. The project was pretty easy and was accomplished over several evenings after work. Almost all of the wood was purchased in the 75% off bin in the back of the lumber department, (I would search there for boards if your are not too particular about everything matching). The automatic basement vent can be purchased all over the internet or ordered into a big box store. This would probably make it easier to return the vent if it does not open and close with a temperature change like it should. The main reason that I made my greenhouse this way, with wood, was so I could build in a door that would swing open and make it easier for me to access the in inside for watering and harvest. The music in the background was written and recorded by myself. Thanks for watching.


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I was sure there would be comments on the mini-greenhouse project's unorthodox building techniques. :-)

I have to give this guy credit, he tackled a job to solve his problem, even though he doesn't look to be a real DIY guy. We really need more people like him to get hands on in growing food.

The prices on produce keep escalating. Maybe some of you have noticed that. Do you think it is going to reverse the rise pretty soon?

If you have your systems in place and the bugs worked out, you won't be so bothered at $3 a pound for carrots.
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