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POPE Francis Warns ANY "Personal Relationship with Jesus is Dangerous" | |
Ozicell
 User ID: 59580906  Australia07/05/2014 05:19 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | further: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37388779 when Christ said "it is not man that has revealed this to you but the True and Living God" he already answered the deception of the catholic church in that no man would deliver God's message to the human as this is the domain of the Holy Spirit. And may I say ALL OTHER churches that push this line of doctrine!  That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Ozicell
User ID: 59580906 Australia07/05/2014 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who claims to have a "personal relationship" with a deity of any kind is delusional and should seek professional help when available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45857271 So Jesus was delusional????? Ok, if you say so  That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37388779  United States07/05/2014 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said. Quoting: I'm May At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith. ... Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church." [link to www.wucnews.com] "Obviously, he said, it is not always easy to walk the path of faith with other people. "Sometimes it's tiring. It can happen that a brother or sister creates problems for us or scandalizes us, but the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to human beings, to us, to witnesses," he said. "It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. Remember: Being Christian means belonging to the church. If your first name is Christian, your last name is Member of the Church." At the end of his talk, the pope asked people to join him in praying that they would never "give into the temptation of thinking you can do without others, without the church, that you can save yourself, of thinking you can be a laboratory Christian. Christians, he said, are not manufactured in isolation, but belong to a long line of believers who handed on the faith and challenged one another to live it fully." I totally agree! Ditto :) It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. COMPLETE NONSENSE and totally against Christs's teachings, the apostasy of the church of Rome is complete as it has now become the abomination of desolation in trying to separate The Creator from his creations. |
| Ozicell
User ID: 59580906 Australia07/05/2014 05:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said. Quoting: I'm May At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith. ... Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church." [link to www.wucnews.com] "Obviously, he said, it is not always easy to walk the path of faith with other people. "Sometimes it's tiring. It can happen that a brother or sister creates problems for us or scandalizes us, but the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to human beings, to us, to witnesses," he said. "It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. Remember: Being Christian means belonging to the church. If your first name is Christian, your last name is Member of the Church." At the end of his talk, the pope asked people to join him in praying that they would never "give into the temptation of thinking you can do without others, without the church, that you can save yourself, of thinking you can be a laboratory Christian. Christians, he said, are not manufactured in isolation, but belong to a long line of believers who handed on the faith and challenged one another to live it fully." I totally agree! Ditto :) It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. COMPLETE NONSENSE and totally against Christs's teachings, the apostasy of the church of Rome is complete as it has now become the abomination of desolation in trying to separate The Creator from his creations. ditto! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45857271 United States07/05/2014 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who claims to have a "personal relationship" with a deity of any kind is delusional and should seek professional help when available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45857271 So Jesus was delusional????? Ok, if you say so Not certain if you're aware of this, but your holy text was written by a bunch of primitive dudes who wandered the desert in robes thousands of years ago. If you take anything they wrote seriously, that's your personal failing.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 56439762  Latvia07/05/2014 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religion is bullshit and Roman Catholic Church is the bull doing all the shifting... Quoting: johnny yum yum 57552804  All religions are snares and delusions. Any human being can have a direct and personal relationship with the Supreme Being, if he/she wishes. There is no need for homo-shyster "middle-men." |
| Ozicell
User ID: 59580906 Australia07/05/2014 05:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who claims to have a "personal relationship" with a deity of any kind is delusional and should seek professional help when available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45857271 So Jesus was delusional????? Ok, if you say so Not certain if you're aware of this, but your holy text was written by a bunch of primitive dudes who wandered the desert in robes thousands of years ago. If you take anything they wrote seriously, that's your personal failing. Actually I don't! It's hearsay mixed with some historical evidence! The historicity of the bible is reasonably verifiable but the doctrine isn't! So it goes back to the personal experience and anyone who denies their OWN personal experience in preference to something another would tell them is a fool! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37388779 United States07/05/2014 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who claims to have a "personal relationship" with a deity of any kind is delusional and should seek professional help when available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45857271 So Jesus was delusional????? Ok, if you say so Not certain if you're aware of this, but your holy text was written by a bunch of primitive dudes who wandered the desert in robes thousands of years ago. If you take anything they wrote seriously, that's your personal failing. Actually I don't! It's hearsay mixed with some historical evidence! The historicity of the bible is reasonably verifiable but the doctrine isn't! So it goes back to the personal experience and anyone who denies their OWN personal experience in preference to something another would tell them is a fool! The Bible is a like a magic oracle that you need to have eyes to see. Any fool can pick it up and think it's just a collection of words by silly old men, only the chose see the true message within it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37388779 United States07/05/2014 05:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks to poster "the The Real 5150" for this link I found in one of his threads: [link to childabuserecovery.com] |
| Ozicell
User ID: 59580906 Australia07/05/2014 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not certain if you're aware of this, but your holy text was written by a bunch of primitive dudes who wandered the desert in robes thousands of years ago. If you take anything they wrote seriously, that's your personal failing. Actually I don't! It's hearsay mixed with some historical evidence! The historicity of the bible is reasonably verifiable but the doctrine isn't! So it goes back to the personal experience and anyone who denies their OWN personal experience in preference to something another would tell them is a fool! The Bible is a like a magic oracle that you need to have eyes to see. Any fool can pick it up and think it's just a collection of words by silly old men, only the chose see the true message within it. The bible is like a field in which a handful of gems may be found! You have to dig through a whole lot of clay to find them but the effort is worth it! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| M1.618
User ID: 57277453  Canada07/05/2014 05:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who claims to have a "personal relationship" with a deity of any kind is delusional and should seek professional help when available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45857271 So Jesus was delusional????? Ok, if you say so Not certain if you're aware of this, but your holy text was written by a bunch of primitive dudes who wandered the desert in robes thousands of years ago. If you take anything they wrote seriously, that's your personal failing. Similar to the cultured that built the monoliths ... Whose legacy in significant part shaped the modern day world as you understand it... Neanderthals .,, + you figure you are bright by including the butthurt meme. wmMmw |
| Vaellene
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59930565  South Africa07/05/2014 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about...You're ALL Looney and belong in a massive asylum together where you can endlessly debate which god is the real one!? Reading through this thread makes it perfectly clear why the world is a fucking mess. You'll never agree on whose unicorn is the most powerful because they will never battle it out themselves. If you Moran's can't see that then I have no doubt you're all nuts... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42095573 United States07/05/2014 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about...You're ALL Looney and belong in a massive asylum together where you can endlessly debate which god is the real one!? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59930565 Reading through this thread makes it perfectly clear why the world is a fucking mess. You'll never agree on whose unicorn is the most powerful because they will never battle it out themselves. If you Moran's can't see that then I have no doubt you're all nuts... Atheists and unbelievers will also either take the mark of the beast and worship his image, or die for refusing to do so. Some will die for a cause and some will die just because. There is only one true God, the Father of spirits, Who has made Himself known in this world in the person of Yeshua, the Savior of mankind. Do you wonder where the power is in the believers and the churches that was so prevalent in the book of Acts when all that we find ourselves surrounded by are impostors, charlatans, and wolves in sheep's clothing who are only in it for money and power? Those who were in power at the time knew very well that there is power in the name, which is exactly why they changed it in translation and killed off anyone that disagreed. It was Moshe that led the children of Abraham out of Egypt but it was Joshua that led them into the promised land. Those who seek to enter that promised land know that the name Joshua is an interpreted pronunciation of the name of the Savior, Yehoshua / Yeshua / Yahshua. When believers start calling on God by name, the sparks are going to fly. The pharisees and false prophets of baal know very well that the battle is coming to a head and they are desperate to confuse and unite the entire world against those who are about to be revealed as the true Sons of God. Getcha popcorn. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57648665  Taiwan07/05/2014 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Judethz
User ID: 47012985  United Kingdom07/05/2014 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I attended a Catholic elementary school. In general, they seemed to have all kinds of additional accessories needed to be a believer. Stuff that's not even in the Bible. I don't think Christ's leadership was that complicated. Also, they made Mary seem just as or more important than Christ... giving her way more credit than the Bible did. Aye. Quoting: I.P. Freely 59791163  You might find this Chick illustrated tract on the subject useful.WHY IS MARY CRYING?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59649647 United States07/05/2014 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, he's right. You CAN'T. And nor can he! Anymore than he or anybody else can have a 'personal' relationship with Harry Houdini, George Washington, Thor, Satan, Ahura Mazda, The Buddah, George Carlin, a deceased spouse... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59930565 Jesus is alive, because He lives in me. You dispute scripture, that is your choice. I won't dispute you. And you cannot dispute, me... that the Holy Ghost and the spirit of Christ risen, lives in those of us who are blessed by His spirit of love, forgiveness, peace and truth. I am crucified with Christ and yet I live. I live, therefore He lives, in me, every day. This is truth and I bear witness to it as such. I feel the Holy Ghost and I know it's Christ.  Hoo-Ah!!! This is the Spirit of the Risen Christ Jesus Who is the Creator of All that Is. My Lord and My Savior. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! |
| vedklyvare
User ID: 59937863  Sweden07/05/2014 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said. Quoting: I'm May At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith. ... Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church." [link to www.wucnews.com] He should partner up with Jehovah's Witnesses, they believe you can't have a relationship with God unless you're a brainwashed member of their congregation. But JW aren't trinitarian polytheists or idolaters so that wouldn't work out very well. looks like the JWs are YOUR god sad little man. I find that very hard to believe seing as I'm not even JW. Nice try though. vedklyvare |
| vedklyvare
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| vedklyvare
User ID: 59937863 Sweden07/05/2014 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And there you have the exact lie that the church was built upon. It is dangerous to believe in the lies of the church, you don't need them. Jesus knew that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3279425 Simon was picked by the Holy Spiritwhen he was the one to say that Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God. Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter signifying the transformation which was to take place in Peter the denier and also signifying that the church would be built upon Peter literally...Peter is reportedly buried under the Vatican..and symbolically..a church built on rock..has a solid foundation He said that Peter was the rock he would build HIS CHURCH ON and that the forces of hell would not overpower it which means I think that it would be under attack by the same forces but would survive Matthew 16/18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Thread: PETER WAS NOT THE ROCK JESUS REFERRED TO! THE WORD CHURCH WAS INSERTED FALSELY IN THE BIBLE vedklyvare |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 46181201 United States07/05/2014 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EXACTLY why the Pope does not speak for the majority of Christians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49845998 I wouldn't even call Catholics Christians. They are satanists and don't even know it. You are so right. I have asked so many Catholics what is it that they do believe, they cant really say , so I ask what r u taught, they don't know. Then they get mad at me when I ask why would u dedicate your whole life (and kids lives) to something that u don't even know what they teach or believe. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 53910531 Canada07/05/2014 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He is right, because most Christians are morons and don't even understand the Bable, and what it really is conveying. They twist it all up with their own interpretation, think they are so smart and knowledgeable. A personal relationship with the 'so(u)n' can cause sun burn, blindness if looked at for long enough, skin cancer, among other cancers. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59930565 South Africa07/05/2014 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about...You're ALL Looney and belong in a massive asylum together where you can endlessly debate which god is the real one!? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59930565 Reading through this thread makes it perfectly clear why the world is a fucking mess. You'll never agree on whose unicorn is the most powerful because they will never battle it out themselves. If you Moran's can't see that then I have no doubt you're all nuts... Atheists and unbelievers will also either take the mark of the beast and worship his image, or die for refusing to do so. Some will die for a cause and some will die just because. There is only one true God, the Father of spirits, Who has made Himself known in this world in the person of Yeshua, the Savior of mankind. Do you wonder where the power is in the believers and the churches that was so prevalent in the book of Acts when all that we find ourselves surrounded by are impostors, charlatans, and wolves in sheep's clothing who are only in it for money and power? Those who were in power at the time knew very well that there is power in the name, which is exactly why they changed it in translation and killed off anyone that disagreed. It was Moshe that led the children of Abraham out of Egypt but it was Joshua that led them into the promised land. Those who seek to enter that promised land know that the name Joshua is an interpreted pronunciation of the name of the Savior, Yehoshua / Yeshua / Yahshua. When believers start calling on God by name, the sparks are going to fly. The pharisees and false prophets of baal know very well that the battle is coming to a head and they are desperate to confuse and unite the entire world against those who are about to be revealed as the true Sons of God. Getcha popcorn.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59626666 United States07/05/2014 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52952781 United States07/05/2014 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read this thread and you will understand WHY! A Kingdom divided against itself WILL NOT STAND. Thread: Muslim man tells me |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44217168 United States07/05/2014 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 53910531 Canada07/05/2014 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read this thread and you will understand WHY! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52952781 A Kingdom divided against itself WILL NOT STAND. Thread: Muslim man tells me Did Jesus know this, I don't think he got the memo because in the Bible it says he came to divide. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59936200  Pakistan07/05/2014 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59939175 United States07/05/2014 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a Catholic I would prefer if Bergoglio stopped speaking off the cuff, he is supposed to be vicar of Christ therefore his personal opinions are really of no relevance, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9739208 You guys seem to have the same problem with the older popes that Mormons have with the president, by the time they're in office they are senile. Or at least getting there. |
