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POPE Francis Warns ANY "Personal Relationship with Jesus is Dangerous"

 
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Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

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Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."


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Sorry to be crude, but the so called "Pope" can kiss my buttocks.
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This is exactly why St. Jeanne D'Arc was killed. For claiming that God had a personal relationship with her in order to accomplish His will. Isn't that what Moses was doing? How many times does God use us in our daily lives? Jesus is the Way.
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Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

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Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."


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 Quoting: I'm May


Unless he is speaking "ex cathedra", he is not speaking for the church.

He is entitled to his opinion.

The part about protestants, or evangelicals, or charismatics being "made in a laboratory" is just his own opinion -- and he didn't express himself very well, in my opinion, and -- yes -- I am a Catholic.

On this matter, in this form and way, he does not speak for me.

He likes to speak "off the cuff" a lot -- not very diplomatic and not a very good idea for a pope.

He needs to lay off the twitter, too, IMO, and really think about what he wants to say to the world.

No wonder he seems to be taking some "time off".

Maybe he is regrouping -- but he doesn't seem to be doing it right.

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Reporter: Why are you an Christian?
Xtiwn: Because Jesus touched me!
Reporter: Show on the doll where Jesus touched you.
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As a Catholic I would prefer if Bergoglio stopped speaking off the cuff, he is supposed to be vicar of Christ therefore his personal opinions are really of no relevance,
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EXACTLY why the Pope does not speak for the majority of Christians.
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I wouldn't even call Catholics Christians. They are satanists and don't even know it.
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Dont be ridiculous.
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i'm ex-catholic; i always had felt that there was something not right with that organization.

and now i'm a born-again Christian; i don't care about denominations or religion..

i care only about following Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach, the only Savior.


and i think that catholicism is disguised mystery babylon..

check it out..

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Watch this video about catholicism! from the Fuel Project

[link to www.youtube.com]
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The entire Bible is about having a personal relationship with Jesus.

Catholics seem to be always trying to put things between people and Jesus, whether it is their religious rituals or idols of Mary.

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True.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Was St. Paul a member of the church when he met Christ on the road to Damascus and began to develop a relationship with him?

There is the answer right there.

I am a Catholic, and I say -- on this -- the pope is simply WRONG.

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Was St Paul a member of the church when he met Christ on the road to Damascus and began to develop a reltionship with him?

There is the answer right there.

I am a Catholic, and I say -- on this -- the pope is simply WRONG.
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I don't think the message was aimed towards CAtholics, he's talking to Protestants and everyone else who follows Jesus.
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"My main point here is that if you are a child of God and God is a part of you, then in your imagination God is supposed to look like you. And when you accept an image of the deity assigned to you by another people, you become the spiritual prisoners of that other people." - John Henrik Clarke.
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i'm ex-catholic; i always had felt that there was something not right with that organization.

and now i'm a born-again Christian; i don't care about denominations or religion..

i care only about following Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach, the only Savior.


and i think that catholicism is disguised mystery babylon..

check it out..

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Watch this video about catholicism! from the Fuel Project

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach? I love the names you guys come up with lol
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Was St Paul a member of the church when he met Christ on the road to Damascus and began to develop a reltionship with him?

There is the answer right there.

I am a Catholic, and I say -- on this -- the pope is simply WRONG.
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I don't think the message was aimed towards CAtholics, he's talking to Protestants and everyone else who follows Jesus.
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I know, and -- again -- I say: he is not speaking in such a way as to define Catholic doctrine or dogma and, therefore, this utterance does not represent necessarily the teaching of the church.

It is offensive to protestants, evangelicals and charismatics both within and without the church.

It was extremely ill-said.
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i'm ex-catholic; i always had felt that there was something not right with that organization.

and now i'm a born-again Christian; i don't care about denominations or religion..

i care only about following Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach, the only Savior.


and i think that catholicism is disguised mystery babylon..

check it out..

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57319709


Watch this video about catholicism! from the Fuel Project

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57319709


Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach? I love the names you guys come up with lol
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That's His true name. You should know this.

Lord Yeshua the Messiah is risen.
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Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

...

Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."


[link to www.wucnews.com]
 Quoting: I'm May


How Catholic of him. There was a reason Martin Luther nailed that letter to the church door.

No where in the Bible does it say one must go to a Catholic priest to speak to Jesus. Just the opposite, Jesus clearly stated when 2 or more are gathered in my name He is there.
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Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

...

Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."


[link to www.wucnews.com]
 Quoting: I'm May



"Obviously, he said, it is not always easy to walk the path of faith with other people. "Sometimes it's tiring. It can happen that a brother or sister creates problems for us or scandalizes us, but the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to human beings, to us, to witnesses," he said.
"It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. Remember: Being Christian means belonging to the church. If your first name is Christian, your last name is Member of the Church."
At the end of his talk, the pope asked people to join him in praying that they would never "give into the temptation of thinking you can do without others, without the church, that you can save yourself, of thinking you can be a laboratory Christian.

Christians, he said, are not manufactured in isolation, but belong to a long line of believers who handed on the faith and challenged one another to live it fully."



I totally agree!
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Ok I'm SICK of this shit. Listen, turn in your fucking PEDOPHILES and we'll consider taking you seriously. Till then you're full of shit.
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^He's Right You Know^

Not only that, how about the cultures and civilizations they have destroyed years ago ( think South America as one example). Not to mention the Crusades. There are more.

Fuck that evil shit. Where was Jesus in any of that? Nowhere.
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Pope Francis has a personal relationship with the Devil.
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i'm ex-catholic; i always had felt that there was something not right with that organization.

and now i'm a born-again Christian; i don't care about denominations or religion..

i care only about following Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach, the only Savior.


and i think that catholicism is disguised mystery babylon..

check it out..

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57319709


Watch this video about catholicism! from the Fuel Project

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57319709


Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach? I love the names you guys come up with lol
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That's His true name. You should know this.

Lord Yeshua the Messiah is risen.
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oh suuure thats his name...lol..whatever floats your boat
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Watch this video about catholicism! from the Fuel Project

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach? I love the names you guys come up with lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9739208


That's His true name. You should know this.

Lord Yeshua the Messiah is risen.
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oh suuure thats his name...lol..whatever floats your boat
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That's His name in Hebrew.

Y esto es la ultima vez que voy a decirte. Debe entender.
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Lord Yeshua Ha Mashiach? I love the names you guys come up with lol
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That's His true name. You should know this.

Lord Yeshua the Messiah is risen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57319709


oh suuure thats his name...lol..whatever floats your boat
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That's His name in Hebrew.

Y esto es la ultima vez que voy a decirte. Debe entender.
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he spoke in aramaic you do know that dont you?

the writing pinned on the cross was in latin , greek and aramaic

not in hebrew

do some research
lo siento...lol
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Statue worshipers by their very nature are liars...
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Statue worshipers by their very nature are liars...
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we dont worship statues, if you have a photo of your mother does that mean you worship her? hardly, the same goes for us
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This thread reminds me of a woman I met online; we were talking about meeting when she mentioned being catholic... the next words out of her mouth were... "You can't dump me cause I'm catholic?"
She was wrong.
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I won't even let a catholic touch me because of what The Bible says in Haggai 2:11-14
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A priest can't make you holy by touching you; and if he's unclean by a dead body, he will make you unclean... and popes claim their right of decent because they were touched by a man who was touched by mass murderers.
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This Jesuit pope took a horrible oath to kill Christians with daggers and poison. To lie about Christians, and to decieve.
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Read the Jesuit oath, to see the real heart of this pope.
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He took an oath to decieve, that's the devil's job.
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Look up all of the inquisitions; you probably only heard of the Spanish Inquisition, there was an inquisition everywhere! They are killing Christians and taking their land for the catholic church, in Mexico now!
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Statue worshipers by their very nature are liars...
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we dont worship statues, if you have a photo of your mother does that mean you worship her? hardly, the same goes for us
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I completely agree with you but the Catholic church never tells us that those statues are simply symbols to help you get to your proper deity.
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This thread reminds me of a woman I met online; we were talking about meeting when she mentioned being catholic... the next words out of her mouth were... "You can't dump me cause I'm catholic?"
She was wrong.
.
I won't even let a catholic touch me because of what The Bible says in Haggai 2:11-14
.
A priest can't make you holy by touching you; and if he's unclean by a dead body, he will make you unclean... and popes claim their right of decent because they were touched by a man who was touched by mass murderers.
.
This Jesuit pope took a horrible oath to kill Christians with daggers and poison. To lie about Christians, and to decieve.
.
Read the Jesuit oath, to see the real heart of this pope.
.
He took an oath to decieve, that's the devil's job.
.
Look up all of the inquisitions; you probably only heard of the Spanish Inquisition, there was an inquisition everywhere! They are killing Christians and taking their land for the catholic church, in Mexico now!
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Post of the day!

Soon Protestants will be rounded up and hounded into camps.

They'll have to make the choice:

Take the Mark, or have your head cut off.

Compliments of the Jesuits.
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Statue worshipers by their very nature are liars...
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we dont worship statues, if you have a photo of your mother does that mean you worship her? hardly, the same goes for us
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9739208


I completely agree with you but the Catholic church never tells us that those statues are simply symbols to help you get to your proper deity.
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they are not a means to God

If for example someones father or mother or spouse is no longer present in the flesh here on earth it is habitual to have a photo with which to remember them, see them , think of them, though they are always in our hearts
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Wait...can't I just get a Bible?
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I think what he could have said is

that though everyone can have a personal relationship with Christ it is always perferable to have the guidance of the Catholic Church in spiritual and religious matters to avoid personal interpretations and or viewpoints that could be tainted and erroneous..and to obtain the spiritual support and protection that comes from participating in the Holy Sacraments via Church attendance
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Statue worshipers by their very nature are liars...
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we dont worship statues, if you have a photo of your mother does that mean you worship her? hardly, the same goes for us
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But if you kneel down to that photo, and pray to it, then that is idolatry.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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That is so true,a female friend of mine was dating a guy named Jesus from Portugal,turned out he was a serial rapist.guess she should have listen to the pope.





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