POPE Francis Warns ANY "Personal Relationship with Jesus is Dangerous"

But the relationship you have with statues bring you closer, right?

And what about Matthew 18:20? Was Jesus lying? I bet you have another sweet apology for that one

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I can tell you this, because I have been there, thinking my own way was everything, that God was with me, and close to me, but once I began my spiritual life within the Church, my eyes were opened and I soon knew how little of God I'd had.

Pope Francis is right.

Humans see what they want to see.

Yes! Our sight is so easily blinded, so insidiously blinkered, we need each other and to make use of all that Jesus left for us, to keep us strong and within God's family.

Five percent of the people think;
ten percent of the people think they think
and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think.

I saw that underground, the goings on is hell

What gives him the authority and right to say such a thing??
He's merely a man. No better then you or me.
You can have a personal relationship with Jesus or God
don't need his permission !

I wish a big expose would come out about it.

You could well be right, though I'll keep asking God for more thinkers, for larger chips in their armour of self-sufficiency.

I think you just made those stats up.

It is this simple.

Arguing with the Pope about Jesus is like arguing with JK Rowlings about Harry Potter.

The Church compiled the Bible, the Church selected the Gospels to include, and the Church delivered the Idea, the Character of Jesus to YOU.

They have every right to tell others you are imagining a Jesus not intended by THEIR design.


Go create your own story and let them have it.

Chances are, YOU would not do what Jesus asked of you anyway.

Well hello again, Jesus made it very clear, that he was leaving us with a church to guide us, to keep the truth held in faith through time, with a leader.
Us humans, all with our own ideas, our creative abilities, are so prone to error, that he did a very wise and caring thing, in giving us the church, and he would not leave her to fend for herself.

Fisherman you impress me so.

First Obama reptilian, pope weed, now hints to the ring.

Oh how I love a good show. Bravo.




Yet they know not, they understand not, none know their part in the play. Its been said before, they know not what they do.

Ah ....

So the only way to Christianity is THROUGH a Priest ... often in the past a PEDOPHILE Priest.

Yep ... sounds like the way to "Salvation" to me ... go through a Pedophile Priest.

Sheesh.

I know a lot of nice people who are Catholics ... but I NEVER could subscribe to religious concept that the ONLY way to be a Christian was via going up through the Catholic Hierarchy with only the Pope having direct access to Jesus and God.

No wonder Martin Luther nailed his broadside on the Cathedral Door basically saying there was a different way. (of course the Catholic Church responded in it's long typical manner by putting a Death Warrant on his head).

Sorry about the Religious Discussion/Diatribe (on my part).

You know the old saying: "Never discuss Religion or Politics in polite company."


Main Line Protestant here and very very happy with it (and btw in my church we do NOT slam others for their Christian beliefs and allow ALL to take Communion even if they do NOT belong to our particular church) ... so WHY is the Pope slamming others' Christian Beliefs?

Jesus didn't found the RCC.



Are you calling this the church of Christ?

Last Edited by vedklyvare on 07/06/2014 09:38 PM

Yes, that what I said.

I fended for her, though she is not mine.

The Spirit of God comes from the flock not the church.

I believe it's just in Thomas...

Last Edited by Saddletramp on 07/06/2014 10:06 PM

It seems I'm being asked to act as defender of the Church, yet again, and I'm so very tired of doing it.

The Church does not teach, that only the Pope has direct access to God, we all have it, we can ALL pray.
But he does have the power to speak for faith and morals.

"Explanation of papal infallibility

The Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra — that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church — is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals".

[link to www.newadvent.org]



That this is a reasoned position, makes sense to me, it is how I envision God would act, if He cared for us, as a father - would you leave your children adrift and lost in an ocean of their own beliefs, if you could make sure that they would always know the truth, of what you want from them, and for them, in regard to morals, and all your teachings. You are the inheritors of eternal life and His kingdom, it's simply too important to leave to chance and the vagaries of various philosophies and thinking.

Last thing the pope really wants the people to come to understand is that they can hold a personal relationship with the real Christ. Especially upon His return to the Flesh.

Uh nooooo the Holy Spirit is God.

Thankyou!

That's actually one of the teachings that really angered the sanhedrine, when he started revealing the truth of God that is in every man, woman and child. Not just Jew or Roman.

That's actually one of the teachings that really angered the sanhedrine, when he started revealing the truth of God that is in every man, woman and child. Not just Jew or Roman.

He IS in every man, woman and child, and you have your own conscience as your guide too, but more than that, He has acted as a caring and loving father, in not leaving us upto our own devices, but 'writing' out His truth in the Bible and leaving us a haven to come to, the church, where He continues to act as our father.

A living aspect of G//d,

Similar to the Christ .

YES…but the Catholic church compiled the New Testament. They chose what was to be included and excluded from the mystery documents. They transcribed them.

It's still the Catholic bible; Catholic roots, Catholic doctrine for the most part,
Men as leaders, women as servants.

Sorry, incorrect, all the known bishops gathered, those who were "romish" as well as orthodox, Syriac etc, and this also doesn't take into account the Ethiopic canon, or the orthodox(let alone faithful remnant).
Rome has so many problems regarding scripture, ranging from burning the faithful at the stake for owning copies of the bible in other languages to this very day where a mea culpa from the current office holder is not going to fix the pedo problem, because its just the tip of the iceberg, way down in the bowels there are far worse things going on, as enumerated by many witnesses and victims, its just that so many pedo facts have surfaced at once they are trying to allay public confidence issues.
And sorry KK, i like you, but you cant defend the indefensible without becoming part of it, no matter how sincere you are, and that is part of a larger issue where the same people at the top of the pyramid love the ever so useful "idiots" who will defend their inexcusable positions to the death, for to acknowledge the real issues in the mind/heart/soul/spirit of a committed/active follower will destroy not just their world views but also their sanity.