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The chairman of the U.S. Senate’s intelligence committee said she wants to make changes to a bill passed by the House of Representatives to further narrow the scope of National Security Agency surveillance practices.

The House bill has confusing language regarding what kind of phone and Internet records the NSA would be permitted to gather in bulk, said Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat. That bill says it would allow collection of records that identify “a person, entity, account, address or device.”

“The language used in the bill is somewhat controversial,” Feinstein said at a hearing in Washington today. “We should take a close look at the House legislation with a view to its passage perhaps as amended in the Senate.”

The hearing was held on the one-year anniversary of the publication of documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden exposing the range of government surveillance tactics. The public backlash has prompted Congress and President Barack Obama to consider new parameters for spy programs.

Technology and Internet companies including Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and Google Inc. (GOOG) have asked the Senate to craft a version of NSA legislation that would narrow what was passed in the House. The companies are largely against the government’s bulk gathering of e-mails and other Internet records.

Bulk Collection

U.S. Deputy Attorney General James Cole said during the hearing the government doesn’t believe the House bill would permit bulk data collection, such as gathering records from an entire zip code.

“That would be the type of indiscriminate bulk collection that the bill is designed to end,” Cole said.

Federal investigators still need flexibility, he said. He outlined a scenario where if a terrorist stayed at a hotel, investigators may need to access records of all other guests in the hotel to determine if there are any connections.

“We need to have enough room to do an investigation that would be effective and we need to have enough restrictions so that we are not indiscriminately collecting records in bulk,” Cole said.

The Obama administration would be willing to work with the Senate intelligence committee to craft new language, Cole said.

“We think the definition that’s in the bill works,” he said, referring to the House legislation. “If you feel there is better language, we’re more than happy to work with the committee.”

Phone Records

Some senators questioned whether it would be practical to end the NSA’s collection and storage of phone records of millions of Americans. The House bill would require the NSA to obtain a court order to direct Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) and other phone companies to query records they hold for business purposes. Obama proposed such a plan in January.

“I think we all need to step back and ask ourselves whether all these changes are really necessary,” Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the top Republican on the intelligence panel, said during the hearing. “It seems to me this bill is fixing a lot of things that aren’t really broken.”

Senator Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat and chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, said having the phone companies hold the records creates an “unnecessary and unpredictable” risk to national security.

Senator Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, said phone records held by the carriers may be more prone to being hacked and exposed.

Cole and Richard Ledgett, the NSA’s deputy director, said the government has a long history of working with the phone companies in criminal investigations, and steps will be taken to ensure the carriers have adequate security.

Federal Mandate

“The companies already have this data,” Ledgett said. “We will work with the companies to put protections in place.”

In another change from the House bill, Feinstein said a government mandate may be needed to ensure carriers retain phone records for at least 18 months so they’re available for counterterrorism investigations.

“What I don’t know is why the House didn’t put in 18 months in the bill and I’m going to find out,” she told reporters after the hearing. “Telephone companies and the CEOs that I know are good Americans. They may prefer not to do it but, if they’re really pressed to do it, I think they will.”

Verizon only keeps records for as long as needed for its business purposes, which is generally 12 to 18 months, said Michael Woods, the company’s associate general counsel.

Requiring carriers to retain data could jeopardize customer trust, Woods said in prepared testimony for the hearing.

“Any constitutional benefit of having the data held by private entities is lost when, by compelling retention of that data for non-business purposes, the private entity becomes a functional surrogate of the government,” he said.



I saw this on MSM earler today, and it disturbed me to say the least.

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She must have something to hide. Normally they are ALL over this.
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Through a gradual process, we are transforming into a tyraniical government...a dictatorship....martial law. In the past few years, we have seen many small steps, each so gradually done and carefully orchestrated, that the public would suspect nothing. That is no longer the case.

We are entering an age in which even those who shut their eyes and cover their ears can't help but know the truth. They may be in denial as a self-protecting mechanism, but they see what lies ahead for all of us, and are disturbed by it.

At this point, we should be concerned, and should be questioning anyone who is not. From our freedom of religion, to our right to bear arms, to our right to privacy, the very principles this country was founded upon are being threatened.

MSM claism that the NSA would be scanning these personal cell phone records for "domestic terrorism", but what exactly is their definition of a "domestic terrorist"? I'll tell you. Anyone who beleives in the constituttion. Anyone who is pro God, pro life, pro family. Anyone who refsues to worhsip the antichrist. You and me.
"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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She must have something to hide. Normally they are ALL over this.
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I'm confused. Are you talking about me? I have nothing to hide.
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Nevermind. I get it now. LOL.
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Does anyone have additional informaiton on this? Please share.
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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance

Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'


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Vodafone has revealed the secret wires are widely used in the 29 countries it operates in. Photograph: Carl Court/AFP

Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.

The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday . At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.

The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups, allowing agencies to listen to or record live conversations and, in certain cases, track the whereabouts of a customer. Privacy campaigners said the revelations were a "nightmare scenario" that confirmed their worst fears on the extent of snooping.

In Albania, Egypt, Hungary, India, Malta, Qatar, Romania, South Africa and Turkey, it is unlawful to disclose any information related to wiretapping or interception of the content of phone calls and messages including whether such capabilities exist.

"For governments to access phone calls at the flick of a switch is unprecedented and terrifying," said the Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti. "[Edward] Snowden revealed the internet was already treated as fair game. Bluster that all is well is wearing pretty thin – our analogue laws need a digital overhaul."

In about six of the countries in which Vodafone operates, the law either obliges telecoms operators to install direct access pipes, or allows governments to do so. The company, which owns mobile and fixed broadband networks, including the former Cable & Wireless business, has not named the countries involved because certain regimes could retaliate by imprisoning its staff.
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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance

Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'


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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
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Vodafone has revealed the secret wires are widely used in the 29 countries it operates in. Photograph: Carl Court/AFP

Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.

The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday . At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.

The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups, allowing agencies to listen to or record live conversations and, in certain cases, track the whereabouts of a customer. Privacy campaigners said the revelations were a "nightmare scenario" that confirmed their worst fears on the extent of snooping.

In Albania, Egypt, Hungary, India, Malta, Qatar, Romania, South Africa and Turkey, it is unlawful to disclose any information related to wiretapping or interception of the content of phone calls and messages including whether such capabilities exist.

"For governments to access phone calls at the flick of a switch is unprecedented and terrifying," said the Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti. "[Edward] Snowden revealed the internet was already treated as fair game. Bluster that all is well is wearing pretty thin – our analogue laws need a digital overhaul."

In about six of the countries in which Vodafone operates, the law either obliges telecoms operators to install direct access pipes, or allows governments to do so. The company, which owns mobile and fixed broadband networks, including the former Cable & Wireless business, has not named the countries involved because certain regimes could retaliate by imprisoning its staff.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing. I am just shaking my head at all of this. As the article says, it IS terrifying. People are fianlly waking up.
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"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance

Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'


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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'

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Juliette Garside
The Guardian, Thursday 5 June 2014
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vodafone surveillance
Vodafone has revealed the secret wires are widely used in the 29 countries it operates in. Photograph: Carl Court/AFP

Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.

The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday . At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.

The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups, allowing agencies to listen to or record live conversations and, in certain cases, track the whereabouts of a customer. Privacy campaigners said the revelations were a "nightmare scenario" that confirmed their worst fears on the extent of snooping.

In Albania, Egypt, Hungary, India, Malta, Qatar, Romania, South Africa and Turkey, it is unlawful to disclose any information related to wiretapping or interception of the content of phone calls and messages including whether such capabilities exist.

"For governments to access phone calls at the flick of a switch is unprecedented and terrifying," said the Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti. "[Edward] Snowden revealed the internet was already treated as fair game. Bluster that all is well is wearing pretty thin – our analogue laws need a digital overhaul."

In about six of the countries in which Vodafone operates, the law either obliges telecoms operators to install direct access pipes, or allows governments to do so. The company, which owns mobile and fixed broadband networks, including the former Cable & Wireless business, has not named the countries involved because certain regimes could retaliate by imprisoning its staff.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing. I am just shaking my head at all of this. As the article says, it IS terrifying. People are fianlly waking up.
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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance

Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'


[link to www.theguardian.com]



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Vodafone reveals existence of secret wires that allow state surveillance
Wires allow agencies to listen to or record live conversations, in what privacy campaigners are calling a 'nightmare scenario'

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Juliette Garside
The Guardian, Thursday 5 June 2014
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vodafone surveillance
Vodafone has revealed the secret wires are widely used in the 29 countries it operates in. Photograph: Carl Court/AFP

Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.

The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday . At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.

The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups, allowing agencies to listen to or record live conversations and, in certain cases, track the whereabouts of a customer. Privacy campaigners said the revelations were a "nightmare scenario" that confirmed their worst fears on the extent of snooping.

In Albania, Egypt, Hungary, India, Malta, Qatar, Romania, South Africa and Turkey, it is unlawful to disclose any information related to wiretapping or interception of the content of phone calls and messages including whether such capabilities exist.

"For governments to access phone calls at the flick of a switch is unprecedented and terrifying," said the Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti. "[Edward] Snowden revealed the internet was already treated as fair game. Bluster that all is well is wearing pretty thin – our analogue laws need a digital overhaul."

In about six of the countries in which Vodafone operates, the law either obliges telecoms operators to install direct access pipes, or allows governments to do so. The company, which owns mobile and fixed broadband networks, including the former Cable & Wireless business, has not named the countries involved because certain regimes could retaliate by imprisoning its staff.
 Quoting: CARLOS SPICY WEINER 58836824


Wow! Thanks for sharing. I am just shaking my head at all of this. As the article says, it IS terrifying. People are fianlly waking up.
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"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23





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