why do "Christians " abhor homosexuality because the Bible condemns but most are ok with divorce and remarry when the Bible says it adultery

it is the Torah that in which God calls sodomy an abomination.

please understand that the Torah is a Jewish document.


your thread title should address that.

Actually, the thread title (to me) reflects the sin of hypocrisy, not a specific sexual sin.

True, I was speaking to just the thought

You are not a christian.

Plus - got any proof to back your claims ?


Thought so.

Matt 19:7 They asked him, “Why then did Moses command us to give her a bill of divorce, and divorce her?”
Matt 19:8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so. Matt 19:9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery.”

You do not stand against the sin of eating lobster.
Ergo you are abetting sin.
Ergo you are guilty of everything you are preaching about.
Ergo you are a hypocrite.

Either you're going to find yourself unforgiven, standing in Hell side by side with the homosexuals, or your going to find yourself forgiven, standing side-by-side in Heaven with the homosexuals.

That is the point you are intellectually incapable of understanding.

Mark 10:4 They said, “Moses allowed a certificate of divorce to be written, and to divorce her.”
Mark 10:5 But Jesus said to them, “For your hardness of heart, he wrote you this commandment. Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation, ‘God made them male and female.

You are in no position to be informing others there's 'no hope for them' unless (blah blah blah).... You really know nothing about what anyone else will experience when they 'die' but you can certainly pretend that you can know... Do you know there are plenty of people out there who feel sorry about their past transgressions and who hold themselves accountable for all of their actions - yet they don't believe that entitles them to some special 'afterlife experience' at the exclusion of others who don't think or believe as they do?

you have no clue what the scripture says ...

You speak of the old covenant that was given unto Moses for the Hebrews to adhere to

Since the death and resurrection of Christ ...Christians live under the new covenant and I can show you in the NT where God directly shows his followers that they can eat whatever they want to

actually Jesus was the one who said there's no hope for anyone, period, without a wedding garment, but rant away

However, there is a condition upon God's forgiveness of sin. Man must come to God through the Lord Jesus Christ alone. "Jesus said to him, ’I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me’" (John 14:6). God's forgiveness is available to all who will come (John 3:16), but for those who will not believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness or remission of sin (Acts 10:43). Therefore, the only sins God will not forgive in this age of grace are the sins of those who die without first placing their faith in Jesus Christ. By that I mean that a person goes through his life here on this earth and fails to avail himself of the provision that God has provided through the Lord Jesus Christ and goes out into eternity separated from God, and therefore unforgiven.

Born-again believers also sin, and when we do, we put ourselves outside of fellowship with the Lord. However, God has made a provision for that. The Holy Spirit that indwells every born-again believer convicts us and convinces us that we have sinned, and when that happens we have a choice to respond in the right way and renew our fellowship.
"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7). That does not give us carte blanche to continue sinning; rather, a born-again believer who is walking in the light and fellowship of God will be quick to use confession so that there remains a continual and clear fellowship with the Lord on a daily basis.

Everyone! Remember that when people preach at you about divorce, adultery, sodomy or homosexuality -- it means they fear that they will do it. They aren't preaching to you as much as reminding themselves. The most vocal anti-gay is gay himself.

The only problem I have with the Bible is that it isn't 2-ply!

Oh what a wonderful message.... No hope for anyone, period - by default.... Unless of course you were born before anyone wrote those books of the bible, or you were born mentally disabled, or you died when you were a child, or you were born in a region of the world that never heard of christianity anytime during the last 2000 years.... Or should we just forget about all the various life circumstances that millions upon millions of humans have experienced in which the dogma does not universally apply?

It's a good thing the Universe operates in a way that transcends the imaginations of the man-made religions....

Do you see what I'm doing here by focusing on the lobster? I'm picking out an absurd law from the Bible, so that you have to look at the same concept when applied to something that you don't personally find revolting.

Leviticus and Deuteronomy are absurd chapters of the Bible, and are filled with absurd laws, 99% of which YOU would personally agree are absurd when confronted with the notion of actually adhering to them in modern day society.

What all of you gay-bashing Christians have done, is picked out one law out of a collection of obviously absurd laws, and decided to hold people accountable to it simply because it reinforces your own personal beliefs.

If you want to know how silly what you're doing is, imagine a world where millions of people revile you because you wear shirts made of mixed textiles, or because you have tomatoes planted beside carrots in your backyard garden.

Imagine people with signs telling you how much God hates you for these things, internet forums filled with posts about how you're going to hell, knowing you could never run for office because once it came out that you eat fried clams, your career would be done for.

Those things would all be absurd, no?
Well they are all laws that are literally equivalent in the Bible. They are all things God abhors. And you are doing a bunch of them, every day, with impunity, without remorse, all the while you are pointing your finger at people who are choosing to break a different one.

You are a hypocrite, you are the worst kind of person, and there is no scenario in which anyone's 'Heaven' involves a population of hypocritical hatemongers who are full of malice.

God can forgive a mistake. But the one thing he simply can't do, is let people with rotten, corrupt, hate-filled souls into Heaven.

And Scripture represents that a lot better than has been quoted by some on this thread. (But I know you already know that.)

Because you don't understand the bible, that's why and it's intentional. You'd know why if you studied it and instead of just read it

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.(Matthew 5:17-20)"

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It is detrimental to the continued propagation of our species is why. DUH!

I don't have a problem with the scripture per se, just what some have chosen to take away from it and enforce upon others... I support the principle that many of the early christians held - the (eventual) universal reconciliation....

Exactly.

aw, the religion of Oprah and the enlightened masses--- the Universe is in charge

We have ministries to the mentally disabled, who are capable of accepting Christ as their savior, and do

Before the bible was completely written, God was, and his great high priest was in Jerusalem, before Abraham

God deals justly with everyone who never heard the Gospel, it's not a secret, your polemic is baseless

Acts 10


9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Please continue down to verse 28 to find out what God really showed Peter.

“You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean."

Food isn't the issue here.

What that was referring to was fornication PRIOR to marriage. Sorry, many Christians are doomed due to adultery. That's how it goes with private interpretation as condemned in the Scriptures.

Lack of knowledge is the #1 thing destroying America today. Instead of being a city upon a hill to give light unto the world, like our Founding Fathers intended, most of our people wander in darkness in need of light themselves (John 1:4). They no longer study God’s Word chapter-by-chapter and verse-by-verse like they used to. Not only that, but most are completely ignorant of America’s rich Christian heritage as well. For in public schools across our land our children are now taught multiculturalism and diversity in place of the Word of God.

Is there any wonder why America is crumbling to pieces?

Hosea 4 – My People perish for lack of knowledge

It isn’t a lack of worldly knowledge that’s destroying our people. They have plenty of that. With the Internet now, they can access just about anything they need to know. It’s a lack of Biblical knowledge that’s destroying them.

Just as God cried out through Hosea the prophet when He said,


Hear the word of the LORD…for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land…

My People are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee… -Hosea 4:1,6
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Oh, we’ve got a lot a people who still attend church, wave their hands in the air, and sing praises. But how many churches break down and teach God’s Word chapter-by-chapter and verse-by-verse? Not many, because if there were, America wouldn’t be perishing today due to a lack of knowledge.


The Holy Bible



The Bible as the textbook

In America’s early days, believe it or not, the Bible was actually the textbook in our public schools. It was used to teach morality, discipline, self-government, history etc. I can tell you this for sure. No man, or group of men can write a textbook that even compares to it. The Bible is it. It’s the instruction manual for life, and its author is the Creator himself.

Why would anyone be foolish enough to reject it? I can’t answer that. I suppose they enjoy lacking in knowledge (Prov 1:7).

We are not perfect...no one is but it is not judging each other but showing what the bible says about sin. Jesus Christ die for our sins but we must acknowledge him as our Lord in order to be forgiven. Repent from sin and ask the Lord to help us to turn away for sins we are convicted of through the Holy Spirit.

We are accountable to GOD in everything.... do not wait until death to find out and put your eternal life in jeopardy. Make the right choice and call on Jesus.

First Timothy 4

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Yes, I actually believe this.

My purpose was to show how wrenching a few verses out of context can cause the whole text to be horribly misunderstood.

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Oh, so you've already ruled out the likelihood that the Universe operates on principles that your limited human brain organ is incapable of fully comprehending? I wasn't aware that we humans have already figured out the inner working of the entire Universe and all dimensions of existence, despite the fact that we're not even advanced enough to travel beyond our solar system yet, let alone run our planet efficiently... Interesting.



And all the mentally disabled who cannot comprehend such instructions? What about all the mentally disabled around the world without acccess to any such 'ministries'?



This means what exactly to all the peoples on the Earth who were not in or around Jerusalem or in contact with any of these biblical characters?



So what you're suggesting is that God's written 'rules' are conditional and not universally applicable to all humans.... Conditional to your life experiences/circumstances/situation/mental capacity/age of death/the time period on Earth/etc. So some rules for some people, other rules for others - and when people ask you what those 'other rules' are, you can't provide an answer because it's not written in a book for you to quote from. So you must chooose between either rebuking the questioner for even asking such a question, or circumventing the question by saying 'God knows' and that's not for us to know... Well I'd say if you were one of those individuals who the 'other rules' applied to, you might like to know, yes?

I think you have a difficult time imagining the world through the eyes of others whose life circumstances were vastly different than yours - and doing so outside of the confines of your rigid beliefs... Religion is conditional to whatever time period it was created in - it didn't exist prior. The Universe is governed by laws/principles/order and has an amazingly vast design & structure. Man's belief systems keep changing over the course of time...