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Anyone have any luck treating type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome with ketogenic diet?

 
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Anyone have any luck treating type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome with ketogenic diet?
Discuss.

As for me, I encounter crazy huge benefits when i barely consume any sugar in my diet. Last time I did this I lost a ton of belly weight and even when I went back to my crappy diet the weight didnt come back right away, took much longer. But I don't wanna deal with this anymore so I'm trying to stick with it now.

Just ate 5 hard boiled eggs and like 7 grapes earlier and am also doing intermittent fasting (only eating from 12-7pm) in order to get healthy again.
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I DEAL WITH IT ALSO its been a roller coaster ride i found out Diet can control it and you can get off insulin with it but its hard because one thing cause weight gain and makes you crave the sugars constantly. I tried the vegan thing and got off insulin for a year but was so weak and ill feeling and funny thing my creatines shot up scared the shit out of me a1c finally normal since having sugar and creatines shoot up. But Im trying it again but on small amount of protein more beans this time good luck but it do work I know just hard to sustain.
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The cravings are really a bitch aren't they. I've done multiple drugs: Amphetamines, marijuana, and even steroids (that was more for testosterone replacement self-medication, though.) and I've never really found them too addictive. But sugar. Forget about it. By the end of the day, I am ready to binge on candy just at the sight of it. They said in some articles that it's 8 times as addictive as hard drugs.

I believe it. Lately what I'm trying to do is 'taper off' of sugar. That is, in the morning I have like 4-6 grapes which is like nothing, go for a 40-45 minute jog, come back and eat 4-5 hard boiled eggs and then the rest of the day try and be good. I try not to eat past 7 PM, as well.

Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
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I recall that Dr. Atkins talks about people that tested for type II and got on his diet and lost a lot of weight and went back and then tested negative for type II. I don't know which book it was in.

I swore off sugar about four years ago. By that I mean any kind of food that it is obvious it has sugar such as cakes and stuff. I know that by eating bread I get some sugar.

The cravings I used years ago to have a long gone. I remember being a 'carbo-cow' and needing a 'hit' of a lot of carbs and sugar like Reeses and Butterfingers.

I just went 'cold turkey' one New Year's eve.

I don't like the taste of sugar in my mouth at this point.
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Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
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I broke my sugar addiction by switching to sugar-free candies. You binge on those, you'll be in some pain! (the fake sugars make you gassy/ poo-y) It took about a week, and I felt like a junkie the whole time, just obsessed with getting candy...
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I personally lost about 80 lbs on the diet.
It was hell for the first 4 days for me.
But from what I've read, the keto diet can reverse type 2 diabetes and insulin sensitivity.
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Yes, 5 years and counting. No meds.
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I was just recently(this past year) diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes.

The low carb foods:

Blueberry's are FANTASTIC snacks (I can eat them without insulin, they're so low in carb and sugar they're great!), I just found them out. Strawberries, too, if you're not allergic, one or two at a time. I eat cucumbers galore(1 or 2 a day), with a TBSP or two of low carb dressings (there is a decent variety- you can make your own too). Veggie mixes with cheese(I love cheese, low carb and practically no sugar), eat as much as that as you like and season them up just right. Mushrooms, broccoli, kale, salads, almost daily without insulin(can eat big servings too- eat AS MUCH as you like of that stuff).

Fish is great, and any meats(there is NO carb in meats- as you know(eggs) but I don't eat much of either- but mixing meat or fish with veggies and salads is good and you can eat a ton of it!).

The carby foods I need(pretty much):

Being a Type 1 I have to eat a specific amount of carbs in order to prevent going into a hypoglycemic coma(low blood sugar due to the long lasting insulin that I take- my body attacked itself and doesn't produce any insulin, pretty much). So I eat whole wheat bread sandwhiches(cheese and PB &Jelly, lol) and small 1 cup servings(pretty much) of whole wheat pasta's(I go for the GMO/Gluten free most organic stuff I can afford- and my own cheese sauces and seasonings, never tomato). 1 cup of pasta's ranges from 35-40 carbs, wow! That's a lot!

I love peanut butter and cashews, too. But they are carby and I can only have the smallest amount when I need to keep my sugar up.

And when it's that time of the month I've developed a habit for snickerdoodles(low carb/low sugar cookies) and milk. 2-4 cookies at a time(with breakfast or at night, lol). We've also baked our own small muffins and cookies for me, too.

The sugar-alcohol in sugar-free stuff is NO GOOD for me, it bothers my tummy. I'd stay away from stuff like that.

Some blood sugar tips(maybe you already know):

The fatty foods slow down sugar spikes(instead of a FAST high rise and drop, the fat keeps it more even and slows down the sloping, which is easier on your body). It's good to get a little fatty something in a meal to keep your blood sugar more on an even keel. Coconut and almond and pears are good for insulin regulation as well.

Sorry, this is all pretty new to me and thought I'd share. It's been over a year and I haven't had any complications just yet, aside from medical insurance stuff(ugh! my own fault really). Hope I never end up in the hospital again, either. These foods seem to be working well with me though. Good luck and I hope you never get to insulin injections!
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Forget all this! Go plant based diet! Raw vegan! Look up Dr. Gabriel Cousens an M.D and watch is videos of reversing diabetes and etc!

Shalom!
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Forget all this! Go plant based diet! Raw vegan! Look up Dr. Gabriel Cousens an M.D and watch is videos of reversing diabetes and etc!

Shalom!
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You must work for the American Diabetes "Ass"
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Forget all this! Go plant based diet! Raw vegan! Look up Dr. Gabriel Cousens an M.D and watch is videos of reversing diabetes and etc!

Shalom!
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It makes me furious when the vegans come out of the closet. I was a vegan for 10 years and then boom, got T2 diabetes.

You don't think all of those carbs led to that?

Eat grass-fed meat and cure your metabolism. Read "The Vegetarian Myth."
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Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.

If you feel weak and tired on a vegan diet, you just aren't eating enough calories. It's low calorie density food, so you get to eat plenty of food. You can load your plate up with food, not just nibble on salads all day.
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I treat my mother with coconut oil.
she was at 30 after 7 days down to 17

dig it
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Forget all this! Go plant based diet! Raw vegan! Look up Dr. Gabriel Cousens an M.D and watch is videos of reversing diabetes and etc!

Shalom!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27074937


It makes me furious when the vegans come out of the closet. I was a vegan for 10 years and then boom, got T2 diabetes.

You don't think all of those carbs led to that?

Eat grass-fed meat and cure your metabolism. Read "The Vegetarian Myth."
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The problem is most vegan and vegetarians fill their plate with breads, starches, sugars, and fruits. They don't stick to what their name implies, VEGETABLES.

Most people don't have the skill to cook vegetables to taste good anymore, so they gorge themselves on fruit all day.
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The cravings are really a bitch aren't they. I've done multiple drugs: Amphetamines, marijuana, and even steroids (that was more for testosterone replacement self-medication, though.) and I've never really found them too addictive. But sugar. Forget about it. By the end of the day, I am ready to binge on candy just at the sight of it. They said in some articles that it's 8 times as addictive as hard drugs.

I believe it. Lately what I'm trying to do is 'taper off' of sugar. That is, in the morning I have like 4-6 grapes which is like nothing, go for a 40-45 minute jog, come back and eat 4-5 hard boiled eggs and then the rest of the day try and be good. I try not to eat past 7 PM, as well.

Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
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You should be eating large amounts of fat on the keto diet. Your body (and brain) will sustain their energy from the ketones produced. If you are not eating enough fat, your body will crave sugar/carbs for energy. Stay away from commercial dairy, eat raw and local only, if available. Plus, go to bed by 9-10 pm and sleep at least 8 hours. If you are not getting enough sleep, you will crave sugar/carbs in an attempt to keep your frontal lobe functioning. Hope this helps!


And to the guy saying he needs carbs/sugar to keep from going into hypoglycemic coma, CUT YOUR CARBS=CUT YOUR MEDS. Eat an allergen-free version of the keto diet and you may not need your insulin anymore!! Insulin is ONLY needed for carbs/sugar!! There is a good chance that even type 1 folks can come off their meds!!
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I have made a page on Facebook detailing the fractal correlation of the plant kingdom and our body parts.

The food in the plant kingdom that is the fractal of the pancreas is the Sweet Potato.

Sweet Potatoes balance the glycemic index (I am not a doctor and I have no idea what this means).

I am 100% positive that Sweet Potatoes benefit the pancreas. Some holistic and modern Doctors recommend this to patients with Diabetes.

Sweet Potatoes don't work one way or the other, it balances.

Here is the Facebook page, and below that is a link to the actual diagram I made detailing out this information for the pancreas.


Doctrine of Signatures
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Sweet Potato
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Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run. because of pancreatic stress due to commercial dairy, an allergen-free version of this diet is most ideal which excludes commercial dairy, grains, soy and peanuts.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems. FALSE insulin resistance is caused by the cells constantly being flooded by insulin from consuming too much sugar/carbs.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.


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Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run. because of pancreatic stress due to commercial dairy, an allergen-free version of this diet is most ideal which excludes commercial dairy, grains, soy and peanuts.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems. FALSE insulin resistance is caused by the cells constantly being flooded by insulin from consuming too much sugar/carbs.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.


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Come back and talk when you've actually successfully treated diabetes eating carbs and ruined your metabolism.
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Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run. because of pancreatic stress due to commercial dairy, an allergen-free version of this diet is most ideal which excludes commercial dairy, grains, soy and peanuts.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems. FALSE insulin resistance is caused by the cells constantly being flooded by insulin from consuming too much sugar/carbs.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1977868


Come back and talk when you've actually successfully treated diabetes eating carbs and ruined your metabolism.
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My replies are in italics, which do not endorse carbs/sugar or vegan diets.
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Not a diabetic, but dealing with a neuropathy and learned about curcumin. The studies (over 2500) convinced me it was worth looking into so I started making liposomal curcumin and I can't say enough about the benefits of this plant. For starters, one study showed people at risk who took curcumin didn't get type 2 diabetes (16% of the controls did), it can prevent the development of diabetic neuropathy, it control inflammation (and neuropathic pain) better than steroids. (Inflammation is both a cause AND result of diabetes!) All of the syndromes associated with diabetes are fueled by inflammation as part of their process (cause and result), and again, curcumin works better than steroids or nsaids. I have experienced and have witnessed amazing results using this food /medicine. Here is the conclusion from a recent study: "Recent research has provided the scientific basis for “traditional” curcumin and confirmed the important role of curcumin in the prevention and treatment of diabetes and its associated disorders. Curcumin could favorably affect most of the leading aspects of diabetes, including insulin resistance, hyperglycemia, hyperlipidemia, and islet apoptosis and necrosis (Figure 2). In addition, curcumin could prevent the deleterious complications of diabetes. Despite the potential tremendous benefits of this multifaceted nature product, results from clinical trials of curcumin are only available in using curcumin to treat diabetic nephropathy, microangiopathy and retinopathy so far. Studies are badly needed to be done in humans to confirm the potential of curcumin in limitation of diabetes and other associated disorders. Further, multiple approaches are also needed to overcome limited solubility and poor bioavailability of curcumin. These include synthesis of curcuminoids and development of novel formulations of curcumin, such as nanoparticles, liposomal encapsulation, emulsions, and sustained released tablets. Enhanced bioavailability and convinced clinical trial results of curcumin are likely to bring this promising natural product to the forefront of therapeutic agents for diabetes by generating a “super curcumin” in the near future."

I made a video for some friends, to share what I found out, part 1 is mainly about the inflammatory role in disease, part 2 has quite a bit about diabetes and curcumin:

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If you look at this research and think, like I did, that maybe you should follow the science (which is way out front) and not the medicine, which follows the dollar...then you will find out that this wonder substance is not very absorbable. A homemade liposomal (sounds hard...isn't) formula may be made, at minimal expense) as follows:

Liposomal Curcumin
Warm 1 cup distilled water to about 113 degrees.
Put water in a blender, add 9 tablespoons of lecithin.*
Blend 1 minute.
Set aside for 2 hours.
Reblend 1 minute.
Add 1 tablespoon curcumin* blend 1 minute.
Pour into sonic jewelry cleaner* and run for 15 minutes (or more) while stirring constantly with a plastic spoon.
Refrigerate.

*Soy lecithin may be used but sunflower lecithin granules (powder) are preferred.
*Curcumin (95% curcuminoids) is available on ebay and amazon
*Sonic jewelry cleaner is about $18 including shipping on ebay and amazon
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Forget all this! Go plant based diet! Raw vegan! Look up Dr. Gabriel Cousens an M.D and watch is videos of reversing diabetes and etc!

Shalom!
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Thanks for sticking your stinky vegan nose in this.
And BTW, enjoy your heart disease, jackass.
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The cravings are really a bitch aren't they. I've done multiple drugs: Amphetamines, marijuana, and even steroids (that was more for testosterone replacement self-medication, though.) and I've never really found them too addictive. But sugar. Forget about it. By the end of the day, I am ready to binge on candy just at the sight of it. They said in some articles that it's 8 times as addictive as hard drugs.

I believe it. Lately what I'm trying to do is 'taper off' of sugar. That is, in the morning I have like 4-6 grapes which is like nothing, go for a 40-45 minute jog, come back and eat 4-5 hard boiled eggs and then the rest of the day try and be good. I try not to eat past 7 PM, as well.

Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58639034


You should be eating large amounts of fat on the keto diet. Your body (and brain) will sustain their energy from the ketones produced. If you are not eating enough fat, your body will crave sugar/carbs for energy. Stay away from commercial dairy, eat raw and local only, if available. Plus, go to bed by 9-10 pm and sleep at least 8 hours. If you are not getting enough sleep, you will crave sugar/carbs in an attempt to keep your frontal lobe functioning. Hope this helps!


And to the guy saying he needs carbs/sugar to keep from going into hypoglycemic coma, CUT YOUR CARBS=CUT YOUR MEDS. Eat an allergen-free version of the keto diet and you may not need your insulin anymore!! Insulin is ONLY needed for carbs/sugar!! There is a good chance that even type 1 folks can come off their meds!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1977868


Yeah my rest quality is shit, but I think it's because my body is constantly in a stressed condition; perhaps inflammation. Hopefully keto can help with this.

Question on type 1 diabetes, but isn't that where there is an issue producing insulin? How would keto assist them in this case? Thanks!
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Have seen a good number of diabetics and every single one was able to diminish dependence on their meds, and about half eventually came off them completely.

Even had one teenage Type I (yes, ONE) kid able to cut to just a low dose of insulin every two days before he moved away.

Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.

If you feel weak and tired on a vegan diet, you just aren't eating enough calories. It's low calorie density food, so you get to eat plenty of food. You can load your plate up with food, not just nibble on salads all day.
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Pure, unadulterated hippie tree-hugger horse-shit.

Pick up any med school physiology text book (e.g. Guyton and Hall, etc) and learn how the human body actually works and it will explain WHY high-fat diets work so well. The human body has very specific hormonal and physiological responses to a high-fat, low carb diet. Those lying sacks of crap who pushed this low-fat garbage on everyone ought to have their graves desecrated for the suffering they've unleashed on the world in the name of their own careers.

Look at the CDC website's animation for obesity since 1980, shortly after they got big publicity for that low-fat horse-shit.

One thing to keep in mind is that the kidneys use excess protein and convert it into blood sugar. It IS possible to "overdose" on protein if you're not getting enough fat and end up with an insulin spike, negating the "low carb" aspect even though not consuming any actual carbs.

The heart and brain become extremely efficient on the ketones, as someone else commented.

The weight-loss aspect of the Atkins diet was simple serendipity. It was more designed originally for cardio-protection, obviously, with his being a cardiologist. Those cocksucker commie doctors also did a number on Atkins by lying to the public about how, AFTER Atkins fell on the ice and went into the hospital on a junk high-carb diet, he gained weight and got totally screwed up and ended up dying from it. But they try to run around saying "oh, he died of a heart attack due to his diet" when he did NOT. In fact, if memory serves, his wife or the foundation sued and WON for the medical community's lies.

Obviously the ketogenic diet has other great effects, like diminishing the inflammatory processes in the body, and obviously weight loss. In fact, since the angiogenesis and tumors of many cancers are dependent on high blood sugar, there was a big study in Wurzburg Germany that found evidence that a very high fat diet could even help stop or in some cases CURE various cancers. The patients in that study were taken from patients whose cancers were refractive to all other treatments. The biggest problem the patients had was sticking to the diet!! Some of them said sugar was more important to them than life.
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The cravings are really a bitch aren't they. I've done multiple drugs: Amphetamines, marijuana, and even steroids (that was more for testosterone replacement self-medication, though.) and I've never really found them too addictive. But sugar. Forget about it. By the end of the day, I am ready to binge on candy just at the sight of it. They said in some articles that it's 8 times as addictive as hard drugs.

I believe it. Lately what I'm trying to do is 'taper off' of sugar. That is, in the morning I have like 4-6 grapes which is like nothing, go for a 40-45 minute jog, come back and eat 4-5 hard boiled eggs and then the rest of the day try and be good. I try not to eat past 7 PM, as well.

Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58639034


You should be eating large amounts of fat on the keto diet. Your body (and brain) will sustain their energy from the ketones produced. If you are not eating enough fat, your body will crave sugar/carbs for energy. Stay away from commercial dairy, eat raw and local only, if available. Plus, go to bed by 9-10 pm and sleep at least 8 hours. If you are not getting enough sleep, you will crave sugar/carbs in an attempt to keep your frontal lobe functioning. Hope this helps!


And to the guy saying he needs carbs/sugar to keep from going into hypoglycemic coma, CUT YOUR CARBS=CUT YOUR MEDS. Eat an allergen-free version of the keto diet and you may not need your insulin anymore!! Insulin is ONLY needed for carbs/sugar!! There is a good chance that even type 1 folks can come off their meds!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1977868


Yeah my rest quality is shit, but I think it's because my body is constantly in a stressed condition; perhaps inflammation. Hopefully keto can help with this.

Question on type 1 diabetes, but isn't that where there is an issue producing insulin? How would keto assist them in this case? Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58639034


You don't need insulin if you are on a GOOD keto diet because insulin is only needed for carbs/sugar (eliminate commercial dairy, grains, soy and peanuts). But research indicates insulin production CAN be restored on a proper keto diet. Just google allergen free ketogenic diet and type 1 diabetes and sift through the information.

As far as sleep and stress goes, support your adrenal glands with reishi (my personal favorite) or some other ideal adaptogen. It will work wonders for you.
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The cravings are really a bitch aren't they. I've done multiple drugs: Amphetamines, marijuana, and even steroids (that was more for testosterone replacement self-medication, though.) and I've never really found them too addictive. But sugar. Forget about it. By the end of the day, I am ready to binge on candy just at the sight of it. They said in some articles that it's 8 times as addictive as hard drugs.

I believe it. Lately what I'm trying to do is 'taper off' of sugar. That is, in the morning I have like 4-6 grapes which is like nothing, go for a 40-45 minute jog, come back and eat 4-5 hard boiled eggs and then the rest of the day try and be good. I try not to eat past 7 PM, as well.

Any suggestions on defeating the cravings? Gonna see how tapering off of sugars goes. In theory, it should work.
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You should be eating large amounts of fat on the keto diet. Your body (and brain) will sustain their energy from the ketones produced. If you are not eating enough fat, your body will crave sugar/carbs for energy. Stay away from commercial dairy, eat raw and local only, if available. Plus, go to bed by 9-10 pm and sleep at least 8 hours. If you are not getting enough sleep, you will crave sugar/carbs in an attempt to keep your frontal lobe functioning. Hope this helps!


And to the guy saying he needs carbs/sugar to keep from going into hypoglycemic coma, CUT YOUR CARBS=CUT YOUR MEDS. Eat an allergen-free version of the keto diet and you may not need your insulin anymore!! Insulin is ONLY needed for carbs/sugar!! There is a good chance that even type 1 folks can come off their meds!!
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Yeah my rest quality is shit, but I think it's because my body is constantly in a stressed condition; perhaps inflammation. Hopefully keto can help with this.

Question on type 1 diabetes, but isn't that where there is an issue producing insulin? How would keto assist them in this case? Thanks!
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You don't need insulin if you are on a GOOD keto diet because insulin is only needed for carbs/sugar (eliminate commercial dairy, grains, soy and peanuts). But research indicates insulin production CAN be restored on a proper keto diet. Just google allergen free ketogenic diet and type 1 diabetes and sift through the information.

As far as sleep and stress goes, support your adrenal glands with reishi (my personal favorite) or some other ideal adaptogen. It will work wonders for you.
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They're right.

I have no idea what a ketogenic diet is but the information here is correct, and I know a little about ketone acids. I'll have to check it out some more(I have little hope that I'll ever be free of insulin treatment, though).

It's better if you have the fat(protein) from foods for those acids to eat at, if your ketone levels are high.

When your body needs energy but it doesn't have the carbs(or CAN'T use the carbs to turn them into energy), your body will produce ketone acids which start to eat away at itself(muscles, organs) for energy. This is very bad, it's what happened to me and I ended up in the hospital- even though I was eating my body couldn't turn the carbs into energy.

Fatty foods(PROTEINS) ARE good, for blood sugar levels and for preventing the body from eating away at it's own muscles/organs(just need to watch cholesterol issues). Anorexics and bulimics deal with this issue as well, as their bodies aren't getting enough fats or carbs and their bodies start to eat away at their own hearts, not good.

I look at protein and carbs whenever I eat, unless it's greens and cheese and meat(which I'll eat in abundance if I have it, cheese is high in protein and of course, meat. peanut butter is high in protein too, cashews, etc.). The more protein and fat the better. I make sure the sugar is less than, say, 20 grams per meal(it's usually a lot less than that). I feel pretty great in general, haven't gained or lost any weight since the hospital, and I'm thin.
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Re: Anyone have any luck treating type 2 diabetes/metabolic syndrome with ketogenic diet?
Im 43 and was diagnosed two weeks ago w type2. I'm doing the same..NO SUGAR. Thanks for the thread.
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Have seen a good number of diabetics and every single one was able to diminish dependence on their meds, and about half eventually came off them completely.

Even had one teenage Type I (yes, ONE) kid able to cut to just a low dose of insulin every two days before he moved away.

Well Atkins is the most famous ketogenic diet and even he admitted that after initial benefits for diabetes, it usually fails at allowing diabetics to go off insulin in the long run.
Fat is what clogs the insulin receptors and causes insulin resistance leading to blood glucose problems.

The more successful approach is an extremely low fat diet (no fat used in cooking--10% or less calories from fat) whole food vegan diet like McDougall's. You clear out the fat clogging up the insulin receptors and you ironically can end up eating a high carb, high starch diet. The carbs are complex carbs NOT REFINED products. Trial and error lets individuals find out what they can or can't tolerate, like white potatoes or certain fruits.

If you feel weak and tired on a vegan diet, you just aren't eating enough calories. It's low calorie density food, so you get to eat plenty of food. You can load your plate up with food, not just nibble on salads all day.
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Pure, unadulterated hippie tree-hugger horse-shit.

Pick up any med school physiology text book (e.g. Guyton and Hall, etc) and learn how the human body actually works and it will explain WHY high-fat diets work so well. The human body has very specific hormonal and physiological responses to a high-fat, low carb diet. Those lying sacks of crap who pushed this low-fat garbage on everyone ought to have their graves desecrated for the suffering they've unleashed on the world in the name of their own careers.

Look at the CDC website's animation for obesity since 1980, shortly after they got big publicity for that low-fat horse-shit.

One thing to keep in mind is that the kidneys use excess protein and convert it into blood sugar. It IS possible to "overdose" on protein if you're not getting enough fat and end up with an insulin spike, negating the "low carb" aspect even though not consuming any actual carbs.

The heart and brain become extremely efficient on the ketones, as someone else commented.

The weight-loss aspect of the Atkins diet was simple serendipity. It was more designed originally for cardio-protection, obviously, with his being a cardiologist. Those cocksucker commie doctors also did a number on Atkins by lying to the public about how, AFTER Atkins fell on the ice and went into the hospital on a junk high-carb diet, he gained weight and got totally screwed up and ended up dying from it. But they try to run around saying "oh, he died of a heart attack due to his diet" when he did NOT. In fact, if memory serves, his wife or the foundation sued and WON for the medical community's lies.

Obviously the ketogenic diet has other great effects, like diminishing the inflammatory processes in the body, and obviously weight loss. In fact, since the angiogenesis and tumors of many cancers are dependent on high blood sugar, there was a big study in Wurzburg Germany that found evidence that a very high fat diet could even help stop or in some cases CURE various cancers. The patients in that study were taken from patients whose cancers were refractive to all other treatments. The biggest problem the patients had was sticking to the diet!! Some of them said sugar was more important to them than life.
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Best post I have read in a long time. completely factual and true. thanks.
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Im 43 and was diagnosed two weeks ago w type2. I'm doing the same..NO SUGAR. Thanks for the thread.
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That's great to hear. What I've been doing is trying to TAPER off of sugar as if it were a drug (it actually is when you think about it).

I find lately fruit tastes so much better than usual, too. But I only have small amounts of fruit (very small amounts, and usually early in the day) since I'm trying to restore insulin sensitivity and lose all the weight around my abdominal region.

If you stick with this diet, you'll see that your LDL and HDL levels improve quite a bit within a few months. Some have even said that the diagnoses of diabetes was reversed. But be careful, it can always come back if you start ingesting large amounts of sugar. It's scary how addictive sugar really is.

I've done amphetamines, steroids, marijuana and never had much of a problem giving those up and sugar is STILL something I'm strongly tempted by. Avoid temptation as much as possible, it's everywhere; so hang in there.
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Friend's mother had tremendous improvement after going ketogenic. She is a longtime type II with really bad sugar, so seems to be worth a shot.
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes last September. Fasting glucose of 293 and Hb1AC of 10.9%. I have been on a very low carb ketogenic diet for many months now. Today my fasting lucose was 65. I don't know if I would describe it as "luck" as much as I would success, and I am convinced that there are MANY who would respond favorably--maybe even most.

If you eat a high fat diet it is important that you eat good fats. No trans fats, avoid highly processed foods, and get your fats from the most natural sources you can. Think pastured butter, eggs and meats, fatty wild fish like salmon and sardines, coconut oil, olives and olive oil (not for cooking), avocado and nuts (avoid peanuts). Fats have the added benefit of helping you absorb fat soluble vitamins like D, E and K.

A ketogenic diet is not a high protein diet. Do not overingest protein. I aim for 0.75 grams of protein for kilogram of bodyweight, but 1 gram per kg seems to be tolerable.

I eat less than 20 grams of net carbohydrates per day. For me it means no sugar, no milk, no beans, no grains and no starchy vegetables. The only fruits I eat are a limited amount of berries--raspberries, blueberries, strawberries and blackberries. My carb sources are all of the above ground vegetables, which I eat in abundance. Again, think real food, whole food, natural food--not processed and preferably organic to avoid toxins.

Finally, add some fermented vegetables or probiotic supplements to promote beneficial gut flora.

I hope you enjoy the same "luck" I have. But please--feel free to ignore the advice of the ADA, AHA and all other institutions that are mainly subsidzed by the pharmaceutical companies. They are not interested in your health. They want you to remain dependent on them and on their medications, poised somewhere between perfect health and death (that's their profit sweet spot) for as long as poosible.





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