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Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?

 
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Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
My idea of being Christian is not only to live as Christ taught but to recognize in Him our Beloved Messiah
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Surely to say he was just a man is to deny the principles of our Faith as in Immaculate Birth, Miraculous Life and Resurrection on the Cross? not to mention the transubstantiation in the Holy Eucharist?
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Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. Matthew 10:41
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No , u have to accept him as God and saviour
To be saved and to be christian
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
LOL, most people that think they are followers of the Messiah, are NOT!

They do NOT do what the Messiah taught.
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Saved from what again?
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LOL, most people that think they are followers of the Messiah, are NOT!

They do NOT do what the Messiah taught.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47039720


Amen.

Just like Jesus pointed out with His parable of the farmer's two sons.

Modern "christians" are like the son who said "sure dad, I'll till the field" but then never did. They talk a good story, but they openly reject the Lord and spit in His face. They have made women the central idol of the "church", and have made nations that promote gay marriage/straight divorce, abortion everywhere, rape, high mental illness, domestic violence, hatred for men and fathers, the destruction of the Jews, and Female Worship above all else.

This by definition is institutionalization of Original Sin, and Satan is very pleased.

Just like the Bible says, those who were invited have rejected the invitation and have become an incredible Harlot.
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no
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My idea of being Christian is not only to live as Christ taught but to recognize in Him our Beloved Messiah
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"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom 8:9)
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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If people were more concerned with doing such-and-such instead of being a such-and-such (or being considered a such-and-such), it would go better for all concerned.

Just my humble opinion.
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John 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Why do you think the god of the jews, YHWH wants you to think he is god come in the flesh ?
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
This is my personal experience in the matter:

To claim belief and fail to give sufficient creedance to emulate Christ is to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Any lack of integrity, aka hypocrisy, results in comprimised character. This alone could be "death" or "hell" depending on several variables, but most importantly the level of "yeast" kneaded into the Word that detracts from our perfect understanding. The Word is intended to be broad by God, but has undergone sufficient narrowing by Christian "authorities" much like efforts of the pharisees Christ often detested in the Old Testament days.

To disbelieve in Christ Himself but live in accordance with his values naturally is perfectly acceptable. Ignorance isnt punished by righteousness in the presence of humility, and Christ will find you in accordance with His purpose and Grace.

Christ led me into understanding of the alternatives which naturally led me to a personal choice between pride/selfishness and humility/selflessness. Only after i chose the more difficult path did He show me that it was His will and Grace that led me there. How could I not accept.

Just one of the ways He works, but a very common and powerful method as it is rooted in His faith, His patience, and His humility rather than my own. He undoubtedly retains all credit.

YMMV
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It's only by acknowledging that Jesus Christ is YOUR Lord and God can He breath His Holy Spirit into you, and begin the slow process of changing you into an image of Himself, as you practice His teachings in the Word.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
The beatiful thing about Christian theology is the idea that man willfully exiled himself from God in the Fall, but then God "injected" himself into the fallen world in the form of Christ, to redeem man out of the love God had for man, despite the fall. And that the suffering of Christ represents God taking on and shouldering the burden of man's pain out of pure compassion. To me this is much more powerful than the words of Christ, etc. So in this sense I agree with the OP that Christ himself is the message rather than what he happened to teach, and to look at him merely as an advanced teacher or a model human is to miss the most profound level.

On the other hand, there are ways of approaching Christ such as Thomas a Kempis's De ImitatIone Christi (The Imitation of Christ), which looks solely at Christ's words and deeds, presenting them as a template for living a good life on earth. By modeling ourselves after Christ, this path leads to a kind of transcendence.

From an eastern perspective, the first way is envisioning Christ as similar to a Maha-Boddhisattva (although such comparisons are suggestive but not identical). The second path of Imitation is more a "yogic" or "Confucian" style approach, so to speak, which can be deeply profound as well. Since I am not an exclusivist I tend to see value in a variety of traditions but I acknowledge they are not all identical. Many Christians would frown upon such heterodoxy but I believe it does not take away from the awesome mystery and power of Christ as supreme redeemer.
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My idea of being Christian is not only to live as Christ taught but to recognize in Him our Beloved Messiah
 Quoting: wildhoney


The problem is that people do not agree on what he actually did teach. This has led us to adopt many different Christs. The term Christianity and christian are just useful for grouping religious people that believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah. Mormonism should be included. What we are called doesn't really matter but what matter is that we do what we are called to do.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
And what should we as Christians have to learn from others when ALL is in Christ for us?
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no, they should be burned at the stake. burn them!!!! burn them alll!!!!!
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no, they should be burned at the stake. burn them!!!! burn them alll!!!!!
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we are to imitate Christ ..since he didnt burn anyone at the stake neither should we, but he speak his mind in matters of the Father
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
The beatiful thing about Christian theology is the idea that man willfully exiled himself from God in the Fall, but then God "injected" himself into the fallen world in the form of Christ, to redeem man out of the love God had for man, despite the fall. And that the suffering of Christ represents God taking on and shouldering the burden of man's pain out of pure compassion. To me this is much more powerful than the words of Christ, etc. So in this sense I agree with the OP that Christ himself is the message rather than what he happened to teach, and to look at him merely as an advanced teacher or a model human is to miss the most profound level.

On the other hand, there are ways of approaching Christ such as Thomas a Kempis's De ImitatIone Christi (The Imitation of Christ), which looks solely at Christ's words and deeds, presenting them as a template for living a good life on earth. By modeling ourselves after Christ, this path leads to a kind of transcendence.

From an eastern perspective, the first way is envisioning Christ as similar to a Maha-Boddhisattva (although such comparisons are suggestive but not identical). The second path of Imitation is more a "yogic" or "Confucian" style approach, so to speak, which can be deeply profound as well. Since I am not an exclusivist I tend to see value in a variety of traditions but I acknowledge they are not all identical. Many Christians would frown upon such heterodoxy but I believe it does not take away from the awesome mystery and power of Christ as supreme redeemer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58553376


Good stuff.

I agree 100% - Christ taught tolerance and forebearance, but he also is the divine manifestation of perfect tolerance and forebearance as well. It is silly to exclude Christ from any religion. There are differences, sure, but variety that confirms foundations are either of similar origin or confirming of truth.

There are plenty of historical, foundational differences between ancient religions, but they all arrive to similar conclusions to Christ's teachings. Christ gives us a consistent and universal formula for every deviation from Himself, and the keen and wise recognize His signature in ALL things.

All that is required is a patient and humble attitude, which is a remarkably challenging command to a mortal born in our impetuous age.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Some beautiful, enriching testimonies in this thread so far.

To me, being a Christian is recognizing when Christ speaks to us through our heart. The sheep know the shephard's voice. Of course, this all comes down to the individual rather than the ideology, although there are probably some ideologies that help the individual along.

In reading the gospels, we have a framework of how to allow ourselves to recognize the shephard....e.g. repentance for the forgiveness of sins, love God fully, love (agape) neighbour, follow the 10 commandments, live the beatitudes, humility, poverty, chastity.

In the end, our years living on this planet and how we learn from our experience through our free will is the key to recognizing the shephard's voice, and thus being able to call ourselves Christians.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Christ Himself said "no man is good only My Father in Heaven....".
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Christ Himself said "no man is good only My Father in Heaven....".
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therefore what would Christ opine of someone saying that Christ was a good man ...but now he has gone?

and could such a person be defined as Christian?
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Christ said " NO man is good ONLY MY Father..." He included Himself as a physical man. He has ascended to God and is totally righteous and perfect as is the Father.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Christ said " NO man is good ONLY MY Father..." He included Himself as a physical man. He has ascended to God and is totally righteous and perfect as is the Father.
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Did He include Himself as a physical man? I do not think so.
The physical man died on that cross but the spirit that is Jesus Christ ..the Messiah for us Christians gave life to the dead physical body and Resurrected it
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
If You re-read what I just posted You would see I said the exact same thing. He was physical and yes AFTER He was resurrected He was a "new creature and perfect" as father God is.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Also God the Father resurrected Jesus from the tomb if You want to be accurate.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
If You re-read what I just posted You would see I said the exact same thing. He was physical and yes AFTER He was resurrected He was a "new creature and perfect" as father God is.
 Quoting: anonymous 2743009


I disagree inasmuch Jesus Christ in my view was never just a man..he is Spirit as is the Father..so He said in His own words..not flesh

The flesh was the manifestation he chose for this our reality
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
Think You better re-read the Bible. Christ was very much flesh and yes He had the very Spirit (Holy Spirit) of God the Father. Best read John 1 thoroughly and comprehend what it' saying.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
John 1 :14 disagrees with your' premise that Jesus was "not flesh", it says " He became FLESH and dwelt among us...". He absolutely had the mind/Holy Spirit of God.
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Re: Should someone who says Jesus was just a good man be considered a Christian?
John 1 :14 disagrees with your' premise that Jesus was "not flesh", it says " He became FLESH and dwelt among us...". He absolutely had the mind/Holy Spirit of God.
 Quoting: anonymous 2743009


this is what I said...He became flesh..He manifested and became flesh..but He existed before and after because he is Spirit as is the Father..because to know Him is to know the Father





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