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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48562152 United States 05/28/2014 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL, most people that think they are followers of the Messiah, are NOT! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47039720 They do NOT do what the Messiah taught. Amen. Just like Jesus pointed out with His parable of the farmer's two sons. Modern "christians" are like the son who said "sure dad, I'll till the field" but then never did. They talk a good story, but they openly reject the Lord and spit in His face. They have made women the central idol of the "church", and have made nations that promote gay marriage/straight divorce, abortion everywhere, rape, high mental illness, domestic violence, hatred for men and fathers, the destruction of the Jews, and Female Worship above all else. This by definition is institutionalization of Original Sin, and Satan is very pleased. Just like the Bible says, those who were invited have rejected the invitation and have become an incredible Harlot. |
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Eklektos User ID: 49888601 United States 05/28/2014 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is my personal experience in the matter: To claim belief and fail to give sufficient creedance to emulate Christ is to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Any lack of integrity, aka hypocrisy, results in comprimised character. This alone could be "death" or "hell" depending on several variables, but most importantly the level of "yeast" kneaded into the Word that detracts from our perfect understanding. The Word is intended to be broad by God, but has undergone sufficient narrowing by Christian "authorities" much like efforts of the pharisees Christ often detested in the Old Testament days. To disbelieve in Christ Himself but live in accordance with his values naturally is perfectly acceptable. Ignorance isnt punished by righteousness in the presence of humility, and Christ will find you in accordance with His purpose and Grace. Christ led me into understanding of the alternatives which naturally led me to a personal choice between pride/selfishness and humility/selflessness. Only after i chose the more difficult path did He show me that it was His will and Grace that led me there. How could I not accept. Just one of the ways He works, but a very common and powerful method as it is rooted in His faith, His patience, and His humility rather than my own. He undoubtedly retains all credit. YMMV |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58553376 Japan 05/28/2014 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The beatiful thing about Christian theology is the idea that man willfully exiled himself from God in the Fall, but then God "injected" himself into the fallen world in the form of Christ, to redeem man out of the love God had for man, despite the fall. And that the suffering of Christ represents God taking on and shouldering the burden of man's pain out of pure compassion. To me this is much more powerful than the words of Christ, etc. So in this sense I agree with the OP that Christ himself is the message rather than what he happened to teach, and to look at him merely as an advanced teacher or a model human is to miss the most profound level. On the other hand, there are ways of approaching Christ such as Thomas a Kempis's De ImitatIone Christi (The Imitation of Christ), which looks solely at Christ's words and deeds, presenting them as a template for living a good life on earth. By modeling ourselves after Christ, this path leads to a kind of transcendence. From an eastern perspective, the first way is envisioning Christ as similar to a Maha-Boddhisattva (although such comparisons are suggestive but not identical). The second path of Imitation is more a "yogic" or "Confucian" style approach, so to speak, which can be deeply profound as well. Since I am not an exclusivist I tend to see value in a variety of traditions but I acknowledge they are not all identical. Many Christians would frown upon such heterodoxy but I believe it does not take away from the awesome mystery and power of Christ as supreme redeemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41934451 Iceland 05/28/2014 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My idea of being Christian is not only to live as Christ taught but to recognize in Him our Beloved Messiah Quoting: wildhoney The problem is that people do not agree on what he actually did teach. This has led us to adopt many different Christs. The term Christianity and christian are just useful for grouping religious people that believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah. Mormonism should be included. What we are called doesn't really matter but what matter is that we do what we are called to do. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49888601 United States 05/28/2014 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The beatiful thing about Christian theology is the idea that man willfully exiled himself from God in the Fall, but then God "injected" himself into the fallen world in the form of Christ, to redeem man out of the love God had for man, despite the fall. And that the suffering of Christ represents God taking on and shouldering the burden of man's pain out of pure compassion. To me this is much more powerful than the words of Christ, etc. So in this sense I agree with the OP that Christ himself is the message rather than what he happened to teach, and to look at him merely as an advanced teacher or a model human is to miss the most profound level. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58553376 On the other hand, there are ways of approaching Christ such as Thomas a Kempis's De ImitatIone Christi (The Imitation of Christ), which looks solely at Christ's words and deeds, presenting them as a template for living a good life on earth. By modeling ourselves after Christ, this path leads to a kind of transcendence. From an eastern perspective, the first way is envisioning Christ as similar to a Maha-Boddhisattva (although such comparisons are suggestive but not identical). The second path of Imitation is more a "yogic" or "Confucian" style approach, so to speak, which can be deeply profound as well. Since I am not an exclusivist I tend to see value in a variety of traditions but I acknowledge they are not all identical. Many Christians would frown upon such heterodoxy but I believe it does not take away from the awesome mystery and power of Christ as supreme redeemer. Good stuff. I agree 100% - Christ taught tolerance and forebearance, but he also is the divine manifestation of perfect tolerance and forebearance as well. It is silly to exclude Christ from any religion. There are differences, sure, but variety that confirms foundations are either of similar origin or confirming of truth. There are plenty of historical, foundational differences between ancient religions, but they all arrive to similar conclusions to Christ's teachings. Christ gives us a consistent and universal formula for every deviation from Himself, and the keen and wise recognize His signature in ALL things. All that is required is a patient and humble attitude, which is a remarkably challenging command to a mortal born in our impetuous age. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55968850 Canada 05/28/2014 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me, being a Christian is recognizing when Christ speaks to us through our heart. The sheep know the shephard's voice. Of course, this all comes down to the individual rather than the ideology, although there are probably some ideologies that help the individual along. In reading the gospels, we have a framework of how to allow ourselves to recognize the shephard....e.g. repentance for the forgiveness of sins, love God fully, love (agape) neighbour, follow the 10 commandments, live the beatitudes, humility, poverty, chastity. In the end, our years living on this planet and how we learn from our experience through our free will is the key to recognizing the shephard's voice, and thus being able to call ourselves Christians. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9739208 Spain 05/28/2014 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ said " NO man is good ONLY MY Father..." He included Himself as a physical man. He has ascended to God and is totally righteous and perfect as is the Father. Quoting: anonymous 2743009 Did He include Himself as a physical man? I do not think so. The physical man died on that cross but the spirit that is Jesus Christ ..the Messiah for us Christians gave life to the dead physical body and Resurrected it |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9739208 Spain 05/28/2014 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If You re-read what I just posted You would see I said the exact same thing. He was physical and yes AFTER He was resurrected He was a "new creature and perfect" as father God is. Quoting: anonymous 2743009 I disagree inasmuch Jesus Christ in my view was never just a man..he is Spirit as is the Father..so He said in His own words..not flesh The flesh was the manifestation he chose for this our reality |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9739208 Spain 05/28/2014 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 1 :14 disagrees with your' premise that Jesus was "not flesh", it says " He became FLESH and dwelt among us...". He absolutely had the mind/Holy Spirit of God. Quoting: anonymous 2743009 this is what I said...He became flesh..He manifested and became flesh..but He existed before and after because he is Spirit as is the Father..because to know Him is to know the Father |