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Hydra
User ID: 17873558 Germany 05/14/2014 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Bullshit. We dont need russian gas, oil, crops. They are also a margin trade partner. Irrelevant for our gdp. Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie. It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff. Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing......... If Russia turns off YOUR GAS you will sing a different tune. We got enough wealth to buy this shit somewhere else. It's the involvement of german banks and companies in the oil/gas supply chain that stop us from abandoning immediately. Our (Germanys) wealth is not the main problem. The main problem is transportation. We in Germany simply had not the facilities to counter a cutoff of Russion gas (for example). Just simply no storage capacity. And you can not always substitute gas with oil. Also there are other (EU) countries with not enough wealth. Agreed - it was but it is not any more since dictator Putin. THE RESPONSIBLE MORONS WITHIN OUR ECONOMY SHOULD START SEEING THE TRUTH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144 Agreed - I think / hope Ukraine was an eye opener ALL INVOLVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS INTO RUSSIAS OIL AND GAS SECTOR SHOULD BE DRIVEN BACK TO ZERO! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144 ASAP! Partialy agreed - at least there should be other options available at every time. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
°Lucy°
(OP) User ID: 57189955 Germany 05/14/2014 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites We got enough wealth to buy this shit somewhere else. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144 It's the involvement of german banks and companies in the oil/gas supply chain that stop us from abandoning immediately. RUSSIA IS NOT A TRUSTWORTHY PARTNER. THE RESPONSIBLE MORONS WITHIN OUR ECONOMY SHOULD START SEEING THE TRUTH. ALL INVOLVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS INTO RUSSIAS OIL AND GAS SECTOR SHOULD BE DRIVEN BACK TO ZERO! ASAP! You can't just "buy" gas! It has to be piped and the infrastructure put in place. Not an overnight task. I am sure AC forgot about that The Nordstream for instance: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by °Lucy° on 05/14/2014 09:22 AM "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57192133 United States 05/14/2014 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Russia will also close Global Positioning System stations on its territory by Sept. 1 unless the U.S. allows installations for Russia’s competing Glonass system, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters in Moscow today. Quoting: °Lucy° Ahm - as far as I know GPS is satellite based and does not need any "GPS stations" on the ground. [link to www.physics.org] Or for the illiterates: [link to www.youtube.com] And there was already a 6 page thread about this topic yesterday: Thread: Russia to ban US from using Space Station over Ukraine sanctions . /thread police/ are here :/ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58061463 United States 05/14/2014 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Russia is going to suspend the operation of all American GPS sites on its territory, starting from June 1, said Russia’s deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries. "Starting June 1, we will halt the work of those stations on Russian territory,” Rogozin said. Rogozin pointed out that American GPS ground stations are located in Russia under an agreement that dates back to 1993 and 2001. “Under this agreement there are 11 GPS stations on the territories of 10 [Russian federal] subjects,” he said. ----------------------------- GPS systems are comprised of satellites. So what is all this talk of "GPS sites on its territory" about? Obvious propaganda to lead the sheep astray.... :bs: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58063051 Puerto Rico 05/14/2014 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Saturn rocket engines were so secret in the US that when the people knowing the machining methods for the parts dies so did the knowledge to built them .... Chemical milling was one of the arts lost , when the last technician engineer died of old age (heart failure ) ... wile Russians spies took the technology to their advantage training their people to build them .... that is one of the worst cases of self fucking a nation can do to itself , everything is so proprietary& specialized a single event can take us to stone age within days .... |
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User ID: 56043334 United States 05/14/2014 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Moscow delivered a double whammy of bad news to US space programs today by banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military national security launches and by declining to prolong cooperation on the International Space Station (ISS) – says Russia’s deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries. Quoting: °Lucy° Virtually every aspect of the manned and unmanned US space program – including NASA, other government agencies, private aerospace company’s and crucial US national security payloads – are highly dependent on Russian & Ukrainian rocketry and are clearly at risk amidst the current Ukrainian crisis as tensions continue to escalate with deadly new clashes reported today in Ukraine with global repercussions. The engines at issue are the Russian made RD-180 engines – which power the first stage of the venerable Atlas V rocket built by United Launch Alliance (ULA) and are used to launch a wide array of US government satellites including top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67, as well as science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter. [link to www.universetoday.com] Agreed.....but........you should have used this pic, with the "i am" line, for the sake of accuracy- I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47734323 United States 05/14/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites I'm sure there will be more backlashes. Not sure how China will play out in all of this, as they like selling their stuff to both USA and Russia. The banning of Russian rockets will be painful for some tech companies in the short term wanting to put satellites in orbit...but there will be private corporations to step up to the plate and that might be a good thing. It could open up some manufacturing and jobs. The question will be...where will these private corporations set up shop? If this is not some game being played out by the elite globalists...I am sure more shit will hit the fan. Guess we hide and watch. |
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User ID: 58064043 Mexico 05/14/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Does anyone still believe that the US military needs 'rockets' to reach the space? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58041489 Trampoline? Kites? with tears streaming down my face. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. |
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User ID: 57934699 United States 05/14/2014 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites I shudder at the stupidity of a few people in other countries which think a Russia - USA conflict would not affect them. In truth, if something goes down, even the southern hemisphere would be affected quite tragically. One country might win the war, but there will be no winners amongst the people of the planet. 7 Billion people on the planet! That's a BIG number! And I am one. |
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(OP) User ID: 57189955 Germany 05/14/2014 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites I shudder at the stupidity of a few people in other countries which think a Russia - USA conflict would not affect them. In truth, if something goes down, even the southern hemisphere would be affected quite tragically. One country might win the war, but there will be no winners amongst the people of the planet. Quoting: We Who Watch True. There are so many things and branches involved it would be felt globally "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21847987 United States 05/14/2014 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57212642 United States 05/14/2014 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Saturn rocket engines were so secret in the US that when the people knowing the machining methods for the parts dies so did the knowledge to built them .... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58063051 Chemical milling was one of the arts lost , when the last technician engineer died of old age (heart failure ) ... wile Russians spies took the technology to their advantage training their people to build them .... that is one of the worst cases of self fucking a nation can do to itself , everything is so proprietary& specialized a single event can take us to stone age within days .... The only explanation that makes ANY sense to me is that the TPTB know something is coming, which makes the Space Program a waste of time and money. They have QUIT voluntarily. NASA is dead. So what could be so far ranging that a government knows a decade in advance the shit is going to hit the fan? Are Chem-trails real then? Is our climate so FU'd that there is NO HOPE? Or is some other doom'ish scenario that we haven't even heard of? Whatever, but the fact that the U.S. has purposely let the space program die is a CLEAR indicator they KNOW something. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40922034 United States 05/14/2014 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites So, will there be a new crew on ISS? Quoting: °Lucy° However, NASA said that it is not aware of any such changes. A NASA spokesperson said that ongoing operations on the ISS continue on a normal basis with a planned return of crew tonight and expected launch of a new crew in the next few weeks. [link to www.business-standard.com] Maybe he did not get the memo Why should they still be on the mailing list? Looks to me like they've been put out of business. R.I.P. U.S.A. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40922034 United States 05/14/2014 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Saturn rocket engines were so secret in the US that when the people knowing the machining methods for the parts dies so did the knowledge to built them .... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58063051 Chemical milling was one of the arts lost , when the last technician engineer died of old age (heart failure ) ... wile Russians spies took the technology to their advantage training their people to build them .... that is one of the worst cases of self fucking a nation can do to itself , everything is so proprietary& specialized a single event can take us to stone age within days .... The only explanation that makes ANY sense to me is that the TPTB know something is coming, which makes the Space Program a waste of time and money. They have QUIT voluntarily. NASA is dead. So what could be so far ranging that a government knows a decade in advance the shit is going to hit the fan? Are Chem-trails real then? Is our climate so FU'd that there is NO HOPE? Or is some other doom'ish scenario that we haven't even heard of? Whatever, but the fact that the U.S. has purposely let the space program die is a CLEAR indicator they KNOW something. If I were a betting man, I'd be putting a few bucks on YELLOWSTONE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51381951 United States 05/14/2014 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Where did we get our rockets during the cold war? We built them. Time to start again, and FUCK the gov for even getting rockets from them in the first place. What a bunch of fucking morons. As far as GPS, Russia doesn't own that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56649698 Canada 05/14/2014 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites Didn't ANYONE in the current administration see this coming? Don't they know how to extrapolate and play "What if?" as they map out their strategy? I like and admire both leaders (but for very different reasons). Having said that, we all know one thing for certain: ~~~ Obama plays golf; Putin plays chess ~~~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20589235 United States 05/14/2014 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites The GPS thing may actually be more important than people realize. It is because of the various ground stations around the world feeding data into the GPS system that MILITARY accuracy for the GPS system can be measured by fractions of an inch whereas civilian accuracy, withOUT ground based radio correction, is about 10 meteres (when they turn ON the distortion for the civilian channels it is a much rougher calculation of location, generally 100 meters, but they can distort it even further). Why is it important to have an accuracy of a fraction of an inch versus 10 meters? In the war against Sadam we were putting some of our high tech missiles DOWN VENTILATION DUCTS ... which required an accuracy of no more than a couple of inches, which a 10 meter accuracy would NOT do. For general navigation 10 meters if fine. For aircraft in landing mode the local ground based correction system in that specific urban area will get the accuracy down also to a fraction of an inch. For our High Tech smart weapons operating over non friendly areas were we do NOT have a ground based correction radio transmitter and the weapons are relying strictly upon the GPS signal, 10 meters is CRAP for positioning them. The targeting of those "smart precision" weapons would be like WW2 bombers getting mixed up and bombing the next city over from the one they were supposed to bomb. No ventilation shaft precision in that case. |
We Who Watch
User ID: 57934699 United States 05/14/2014 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Moscow banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military and will shut down GPS sites ...<snip>... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20589235 For our High Tech smart weapons operating over non friendly areas were we do NOT have a ground based correction radio transmitter and the weapons are relying strictly upon the GPS signal, 10 meters is CRAP for positioning them. The targeting of those "smart precision" weapons would be like WW2 bombers getting mixed up and bombing the next city over from the one they were supposed to bomb. No ventilation shaft precision in that case. Your right. We better send a nuke. 7 Billion people on the planet! That's a BIG number! And I am one. |