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It is time for the US to pull its head out of its ass and develop its own stuff.
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stupid 'mericans can now use trampoline to go to space

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It is time for the US to pull its head out of its ass and develop its own stuff.
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THIS!!! Sounds like some good American jobs to me.
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Russia will also close Global Positioning System stations on its territory by Sept. 1 unless the U.S. allows installations for Russia’s competing Glonass system, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters in Moscow today.
 Quoting: °Lucy°

Ahm - as far as I know GPS is satellite based and does not need any "GPS stations" on the ground. [link to www.physics.org]
Or for the illiterates: [link to www.youtube.com]


And there was already a 6 page thread about this topic yesterday: Thread: Russia to ban US from using Space Station over Ukraine sanctions

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 Quoting: Hydra


didnt see yesterday thread. I think what they mean are the "differential correction" stations. [link to www.trimble.com]

There are a few GPS "ground stations" to control GPS

The GPS control segment consists of a global network of ground facilities that track the GPS satellites, monitor their transmissions, perform analyses, and send commands and data to the constellation.

The current operational control segment includes a master control station, an alternate master control station, 12 command and control antennas, and 16 monitoring sites.


[link to www.gps.gov]
 Quoting: °Lucy°

The ground stations are used to correct the relativistic time dilation - no big problem, the correction will be made with the next station outside of Russia.
Not correcting it in Russia will lead to a variance of some meters at worst. And: With actions like this the just hit their own people.

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Didn't Obama sell all the US GPS stations to China ?
Got a good price for them too, plus he got a lifetime penthouse suite at the Shangri-La Hotel for the fam.
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stupid 'mericans can now use trampoline to go to space

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they can kite training experts from afghanistan; great success
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I wouldn't keep fucking with Russia.. I'm sure Putin has more aces up his sleeve, there is more to come. This shows what a poor statesman obama is.. Blowback from inaction at its finest.
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stupid 'mericans can now use trampoline to go to space

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they can kite training experts from afghanistan; great success
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Hey stinky, how's your space program working out?
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stupid 'mericans can now use trampoline to go to space

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they can kite training experts from afghanistan; great success
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Hey stinky, how's your space program working out?
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hey fatty can't you take a joke?
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Matthew 24:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
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the first stage of a rocket is at the bottom. the mars rover is already there, so it's a little late.

NASA is basically out of the game now, kinda of strange, but it's just another example of the USA in full decline.

expect more deck chair shuffling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57713175


This is just going to hurt both nations with this ban. Moscow depended heavily on US support for their space program due to the huge amount of business the US government was bringing to them to build these engines. Essentially, this ban pretty much has killed Russia's space program, which in my opinion is a stupid move by Russia. They just cut off the hand that feeds them as China has no interest in using their launch vehicles.

The rocket launches will continue for NASA as they have plenty of alternatives still, considering the private launches are now cheaper than what Russia was offering, so no biggie. This instead is going to spur a lot of business to SpaceX now. The RD-180 was still superior to anything SpaceX could provide right now, but next year they'll have an engine that's more efficient and better.

The only down side is Russia is pretty much the only provider for manned space flight to the International Space Station. Russia was already complaining about the tremendous costs to supply the space station and without the US support (Which SpaceX was supposed to take over), the International Space Station is now going to go down in flames as no way Russia is going to support it by itself.
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Don't forget companies like Sierra Nevada Corporation and their DreamChaser :)
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?

Are we scared?
Are we incapable?

ARE WE NOT WILLING FOR SELFISH REASONS?


Probably YES!

If russia was considered a real threat it would already be isolated.
Obviously it is not as much of a threat as its isolation is.

This world is a joke and globalisation is the reason.
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...well we'll just have our corps of precious negro rocket scientists build our own rockets then.
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stupid 'mericans can now use trampoline to go to space

:grin:
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they can kite training experts from afghanistan; great success
 Quoting: attila


Hey stinky, how's your space program working out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56679085

Better than yours: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

chuckle

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05/14/2014 08:24 AM
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

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°Lucy°  (OP)

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Russia will also close Global Positioning System stations on its territory by Sept. 1 unless the U.S. allows installations for Russia’s competing Glonass system, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters in Moscow today.
 Quoting: °Lucy°

Ahm - as far as I know GPS is satellite based and does not need any "GPS stations" on the ground. [link to www.physics.org]
Or for the illiterates: [link to www.youtube.com]


And there was already a 6 page thread about this topic yesterday: Thread: Russia to ban US from using Space Station over Ukraine sanctions

.
 Quoting: Hydra


didnt see yesterday thread. I think what they mean are the "differential correction" stations. [link to www.trimble.com]

There are a few GPS "ground stations" to control GPS

The GPS control segment consists of a global network of ground facilities that track the GPS satellites, monitor their transmissions, perform analyses, and send commands and data to the constellation.

The current operational control segment includes a master control station, an alternate master control station, 12 command and control antennas, and 16 monitoring sites.


[link to www.gps.gov]
 Quoting: °Lucy°

The ground stations are used to correct the relativistic time dilation - no big problem, the correction will be made with the next station outside of Russia.
Not correcting it in Russia will lead to a variance of some meters at worst. And: With actions like this the just hit their own people.

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 Quoting: Hydra


So, no big deal about it by the sound of, but why are they fighting over GPS / Glonass stations? Or is there something else behind it?
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It is what they deserve for outsourcing all of our technology. No doubt it's part of the plan!!!
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So, if they banned the use, does that mean every thing in US using a RD-180 engine should be taken out of service??

Things like

US government satellites
top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67,
science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter

scratchingscratching
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I suggest there are better sites to read this,,, like RT. It means the US will not be SOLD any more of them until the BS stops.
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Ahm - as far as I know GPS is satellite based and does not need any "GPS stations" on the ground. [link to www.physics.org]
Or for the illiterates: [link to www.youtube.com]


And there was already a 6 page thread about this topic yesterday: Thread: Russia to ban US from using Space Station over Ukraine sanctions

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 Quoting: Hydra


didnt see yesterday thread. I think what they mean are the "differential correction" stations. [link to www.trimble.com]

There are a few GPS "ground stations" to control GPS

The GPS control segment consists of a global network of ground facilities that track the GPS satellites, monitor their transmissions, perform analyses, and send commands and data to the constellation.

The current operational control segment includes a master control station, an alternate master control station, 12 command and control antennas, and 16 monitoring sites.


[link to www.gps.gov]
 Quoting: °Lucy°

The ground stations are used to correct the relativistic time dilation - no big problem, the correction will be made with the next station outside of Russia.
Not correcting it in Russia will lead to a variance of some meters at worst. And: With actions like this the just hit their own people.

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 Quoting: Hydra


So, no big deal about it by the sound of, but why are they fighting over GPS / Glonass stations? Or is there something else behind it?
 Quoting: °Lucy°

a fully functioning GPS system results from GPS stations all over the world...... GPS isn't going to work very well for data coming from the Russian portions.

Putin is quite a chess player, is he not.... we sanction a few of his higher people by monetary means for investments in the US of A, and he checkmating the US and west in places that are going to hurt a whole lot. You do love your GPS do you not?
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

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 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
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Moscow delivered a double whammy of bad news to US space programs today by banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military national security launches and by declining to prolong cooperation on the International Space Station (ISS) – says Russia’s deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.

Virtually every aspect of the manned and unmanned US space program – including NASA, other government agencies, private aerospace company’s and crucial US national security payloads – are highly dependent on Russian & Ukrainian rocketry and are clearly at risk amidst the current Ukrainian crisis as tensions continue to escalate with deadly new clashes reported today in Ukraine with global repercussions.

The engines at issue are the Russian made RD-180 engines – which power the first stage of the venerable Atlas V rocket built by United Launch Alliance (ULA) and are used to launch a wide array of US government satellites including top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67, as well as science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter.

[link to www.universetoday.com]
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Putins_bitch
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AAAHAHAHAHA!!
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So, will there be a new crew on ISS?

However, NASA said that it is not aware of any such changes.

A NASA spokesperson said that ongoing operations on the ISS continue on a normal basis with a planned return of crew tonight and expected launch of a new crew in the next few weeks.
[link to www.business-standard.com]
 Quoting: °Lucy°


what does NASA stand for?
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144


If Russia turns off YOUR GAS you will sing a different tune.
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Moscow delivered a double whammy of bad news to US space programs today by banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military national security launches and by declining to prolong cooperation on the International Space Station (ISS) – says Russia’s deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.

Virtually every aspect of the manned and unmanned US space program – including NASA, other government agencies, private aerospace company’s and crucial US national security payloads – are highly dependent on Russian & Ukrainian rocketry and are clearly at risk amidst the current Ukrainian crisis as tensions continue to escalate with deadly new clashes reported today in Ukraine with global repercussions.

The engines at issue are the Russian made RD-180 engines – which power the first stage of the venerable Atlas V rocket built by United Launch Alliance (ULA) and are used to launch a wide array of US government satellites including top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67, as well as science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter.

[link to www.universetoday.com]
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:Putins_bitch:
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clappaclappa
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Moscow delivered a double whammy of bad news to US space programs today by banning the use of Russian made rocket engines for US military national security launches and by declining to prolong cooperation on the International Space Station (ISS) – says Russia’s deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.

Virtually every aspect of the manned and unmanned US space program – including NASA, other government agencies, private aerospace company’s and crucial US national security payloads – are highly dependent on Russian & Ukrainian rocketry and are clearly at risk amidst the current Ukrainian crisis as tensions continue to escalate with deadly new clashes reported today in Ukraine with global repercussions.

The engines at issue are the Russian made RD-180 engines – which power the first stage of the venerable Atlas V rocket built by United Launch Alliance (ULA) and are used to launch a wide array of US government satellites including top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67, as well as science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter.

[link to www.universetoday.com]
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:Putins_bitch:
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clappaclappa
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144


If Russia turns off YOUR GAS you will sing a different tune.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57783312


We got enough wealth to buy this shit somewhere else.
It's the involvement of german banks and companies in the oil/gas supply chain that stop us from abandoning immediately.

RUSSIA IS NOT A TRUSTWORTHY PARTNER.
THE RESPONSIBLE MORONS WITHIN OUR ECONOMY SHOULD START SEEING THE TRUTH.
ALL INVOLVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS INTO RUSSIAS OIL AND GAS SECTOR SHOULD BE DRIVEN BACK TO ZERO!
ASAP!
Hydra

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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

You should learn something about economy before you make some real stupid comments.

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So, if they banned the use, does that mean every thing in US using a RD-180 engine should be taken out of service??

Things like

US government satellites
top secret US military spy satellites for the US National Reconnaissance Office, like NROL-67,
science satellites for NASA like the Curiosity Mars rover and MAVEN Mars orbiter

scratchingscratching
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Yes Russians will reel in the fishing line attached to the satellites
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*** NO MORE BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA ***

Don't buy anything from there.
Don't sell anything to there.
Don't exchange technological knowledge, money, help, information.
Don't allow any attendance or precense of russian origins within schengen and north american areas.
Ban them from using western controlled seaways, ports, airposrts, roads.
Ban them from international boards, communities, agencies.
Advise everty ally on the planet to do the same.

That shouldn't be so hard to achieve.


So the question is:

Why are we not doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144


Well you don't expect the Millennials to do anything do you? They are too concerned about getting their genitals pierced to be of any use.
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Because it would cut our supplies and cripple our economy, too.

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 Quoting: Hydra


Bullshit.
We dont need russian gas, oil, crops.
They are also a margin trade partner.
Irrelevant for our gdp.
Suggesting we need anything from russia is a lie.
It's political will and industrial greed that wants us to believe such stuff.
Just like they want us to believe singing women with beart are a normal thing.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144


If Russia turns off YOUR GAS you will sing a different tune.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57783312


We got enough wealth to buy this shit somewhere else.
It's the involvement of german banks and companies in the oil/gas supply chain that stop us from abandoning immediately.

RUSSIA IS NOT A TRUSTWORTHY PARTNER.
THE RESPONSIBLE MORONS WITHIN OUR ECONOMY SHOULD START SEEING THE TRUTH.
ALL INVOLVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS INTO RUSSIAS OIL AND GAS SECTOR SHOULD BE DRIVEN BACK TO ZERO!
ASAP!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059144

You can't just "buy" gas! It has to be piped and the infrastructure put in place. Not an overnight task.





GLP