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What do we need to do in order to fulfil the criteria required for "First Contact"?

 
Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brav​e  (OP)

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I forgot to mention when making this thread that I also wanted to include the idea that if "First Contact" isn't possible then we still have the means to further our civilization. It was just one of a few ideas. I'm still not quite sure whether there is anything to this as such, but it's worth mentioning that a few weeks ago I toyed with an idea that we could use a form of mathematical reasoning for something and as an additional addendum to this and I quote myself from earlier in the thread:

As an important side note, I do often wonder whether or not we are being observed already. Take UFO's for instance, covering all possibilities that they could logically be, they may be categorized as follows:

1. Hoax
2. Mistaken identification.
3. Some form of advanced human aircraft.
4. Extra terrestrial biological entities.
5. Time travellers.

We're more concerned with 4. and 5. for the time being. "First Contact" is a real possibility for our discussion and also, if I wanted to visit the past by means of time travel and required a cover, being 'identified' as a UFO would be it. UFO is also a good cover for 3. as well coming to think of it.

Anyway, whether or not "First Contact" exists as a possibility, we still do need to try our very best to advance and the opportunity is here whether or not we are alone in the universe. Scientific discoveries are breaking the boundaries at an exponential rate and we can make it.

I, for one, would like to see us reach the stars before WWIII.
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Can we not consider this and specifically for this case part 5. which I forgot to add when I made the thread ...and I also quote myself from a few weeks ago:

I was watching the 'We Are From The Future' video the other day because somebody posted it on here and it got me into thinking, maybe they are from the future or maybe not - but one thing is for certain, human civilization needs to make a leap forward and quickly before warand all the other negativity in our world destroys any chances we have of advancing and realizing our full potential in the universe.

In mathematics there are a series of mathematical proofs that can be done in order to prove an algebraic expression is true for all numbers. One of thse is called a 'mathematical proof by induction' whereby you assume A for example in order to prove B, and by proving B you are also proving A - which, of course, no longer becomes an assumption but is proved to be so. In short if you assume something is correct, then you can prove it as well - not always, but sometimes.

Now if we take time travel, for instance. If we assume it is possible, can we not make it possible by proving it is possible if it is possible?

We can't simply use a mathematical induction method but to try to attempt to take the idea into the physical world - maybe we can deliberately create a paradox in order to make the advance we need. So we can start by assuming something exists in the future, then proving it must exist to be so in the present (and the past if necessary) - and therefore proving that it must also exist in the future.

We have all seen science fiction movies and they imaginatively depict how life could be, but if we assume that we are visited by somebody from the future and try to establish what they would advise us by using logic, reasoning and our imaginations thereby attempting to deliberately create the paradox that we are visited by somebody in the future - could that actually help us to leap forward to the next level in our civilization?

I will be away for a little while but I would like to discuss this and other ideas with like-minded people you more upon my return. Looking back this is actually quite nonsensical but I like this place for accepting everyone's thoughts.

Peace, love & happiness.
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Taken from: Thread: Interesting idea (or maybe not actually) with regard to mathematical induction and paradoxes.

Whether or not we are alone in the universe doesn't really matter, "First Contact" can occur in more than one way, either we make contact with extraterrestrial beings or we make it ourselves with Alpha Centauri and beyond...
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That's better. :)
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I'm gonna bump off to bed, and maybe watch a mooovie as Austin Powers calls it. Yes, you've guessed it...Goldmember lol.

G'night GLP. hf
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Any thoughts?
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We have to find solution on a third task which will appear nearest days. After it "New Contact" will happened.
First two task were recently solved:
1. [link to planeta.moy.su] - it is decoding of the Crop Circle in Cakifornia (short scheme) article with complete explanation is not in English: [link to tonkiimir.ru] though you can see pictures.
2. Explanation what really happened with MH370 and connection of the logo of Malaysian Aircompany with Crop Circle on the field "Adam's Grave": [link to tonkiimir.ru]

I hope that the "Contact" will be this month.
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Any thoughts?
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We have to find solution on a third task which will appear nearest days. After it "New Contact" will happened.
First two task were recently solved:
1. [link to planeta.moy.su] - it is decoding of the Crop Circle in Cakifornia (short scheme) article with complete explanation is not in English: [link to tonkiimir.ru] though you can see pictures.
2. Explanation what really happened with MH370 and connection of the logo of Malaysian Aircompany with Crop Circle on the field "Adam's Grave": [link to tonkiimir.ru]

I hope that the "Contact" will be this month.
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Very interesting.

Thank you very much for those links. I do not speak Russian, but I get the general idea of their analysis of the crop circle. I am no expert in cereology mind you, but I have always maintained a fascination with the subject.
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Umm, stop the hate and open your eyes.
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some of them are loving and kind

not all
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Why have we not been invaded in the last, say, 4000 years?

Because they are loving and kind.

The rest is PROPAGANDA of modern mind.
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do you know what the quarantine is? We've been under quarantine for a long time because this is an evolutionary planet where souls come to learn. So other aliens aren't allowed to interfere with that on a grand scale. Only recently has the quarantine been lifted. This planet is protected by other extraterrestrials to stop the malicious ones from coming here. In fact, there is a war that's been going on over earth.

And disagreeable aliens have already been working with the government for a long time.
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Bingo! You speak the truth. Bravo!
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get our schit together.

BTW...that will never happen.
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some of them are loving and kind

not all
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Why have we not been invaded in the last, say, 4000 years?

Because they are loving and kind.

The rest is PROPAGANDA of modern mind.
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do you know what the quarantine is? We've been under quarantine for a long time because this is an evolutionary planet where souls come to learn. So other aliens aren't allowed to interfere with that on a grand scale. Only recently has the quarantine been lifted. This planet is protected by other extraterrestrials to stop the malicious ones from coming here. In fact, there is a war that's been going on over earth.

And disagreeable aliens have already been working with the government for a long time.
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I have also learned this
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I have really learnt a lot since I came to GLP per se. WOW. It is an endearingly enlightening place....or would that be enlighteningly endearing?

Anyway it is really cool. :)
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bump
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bump squared
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I have really learnt a lot since I came to GLP per se. WOW. It is an endearingly enlightening place....or would that be enlighteningly endearing?

Anyway it is really cool. :)
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Same here - thanks for the interesting thread.
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I have really learnt a lot since I came to GLP per se. WOW. It is an endearingly enlightening place....or would that be enlighteningly endearing?

Anyway it is really cool. :)
 Quoting: Sir Tim The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Same here - thanks for the interesting thread.
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:)
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I hate to burst your bubble but Star Trek is fiction—fantasy, as is the idea/notion of ET’s, aliens, annunki, reptilians, greys, etc.... it is all made up for entertainment purposes. There won’t be “first contact” because there is nothing to contact. These things come from the imagination. Nothing based in reality.
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Yeah, there are 100 billion galaxies out there with 100 billion stars in each one. That makes 10 to the 22nd power of stars. Yeah, and none of them harbors intelligent life.

Your view reminds me of that of the flat earthers or the Catholic church when it burned people at the stake for the heresy of believing that we were not alone in the universe.
(Giordano Bruno.)
It was all a big accident, a "quantum fluctuation". Yeah! Benjamin Franklin, a cosmic pluralist was an idiot too!
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Imagine a scenario where if its a threat you shoot to kill in under a second.
Do you want to say hello? Might be safer to be invisible to many.
We don't know what else is out there, what belief systems and view points and attitudes, for every friendly pleiadian how do we know there isn't a face hugging alien?
And what if something has been saying "Hello" over and over but we just haven't been listening?
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I hate to burst your bubble but Star Trek is fiction—fantasy, as is the idea/notion of ET’s, aliens, annunki, reptilians, greys, etc.... it is all made up for entertainment purposes. There won’t be “first contact” because there is nothing to contact. These things come from the imagination. Nothing based in reality.
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Yeah, there are 100 billion galaxies out there with 100 billion stars in each one. That makes 10 to the 22nd power of stars. Yeah, and none of them harbors intelligent life.

Your view reminds me of that of the flat earthers or the Catholic church when it burned people at the stake for the heresy of believing that we were not alone in the universe.
(Giordano Bruno.)
It was all a big accident, a "quantum fluctuation". Yeah! Benjamin Franklin, a cosmic pluralist was an idiot too!
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Exactly!

...and also, with regard to first contact - I just used that as an idea; we are in the position, ourselves, to be able reach the level of making first contact with other beings out there if we actually united as a species and worked together. The technology is there along with the physics. It just needs a few. We have two options: either we build walls between us or we build obelisks to the stars.
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Imagine a scenario where if its a threat you shoot to kill in under a second.
Do you want to say hello? Might be safer to be invisible to many.
We don't know what else is out there, what belief systems and view points and attitudes, for every friendly pleiadian how do we know there isn't a face hugging alien?
And what if something has been saying "Hello" over and over but we just haven't been listening?
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That's a very good point, but considering our entire civilization is under threat of WWIII - I would be willing to take that chance.
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meh.

I know what I am saying is virtually impossible, trust me I know how crazy this sounds lol. God do I know how crazy this sounds...but it is something that we all can aspire to some day and there really is hope. :)

Anyway I need to go to bed...

G'night GLP.

hf
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Please hold still so I can cut your hair long
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Assuming we are living in a "Star Trek universe", what do we need to do to actually make this happen?

I am well aware that this is all hypothetical, but in light of recent global events - if there is even a small chance that we can make that leap forward with our civilization, then we need to do it sooner rather than later. I don't necessarily think that we would need to make a 'warp drive', for I am just taking the "First Contact" idea from Star Trek, not the specific details. It could be something 'relatively easier' than that like perhaps discovering what the Graviton is and that isn't too far away...

Any thoughts?
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Stop being a bunch of religitards...
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Until someone can adequately explain the half mile wide craft over phoenix az.....twice....witnessed by 50,000 people, im gonna have to draw my line there.

To me, thats something we should have made them explain to us. It was either aliens, us, which I highly doubt, or a field test of the project blue bluebeam hologram tech. Either way, we should have forced an explanation there.
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My guesses:

1. universal government and world peace
2. development of advanced power generation
3. ??
4. PROFIT!

I can't see any advanced civilization wanting anything to do with us right now in our sorry state. We are a ghetto planet right now. Violent, fractious, unpredictable. I could see ETs looking at us and thinking, hooo boy, what a mess.

What would/could ETs do for us at this point? With whom would they speak? Who speaks for the world?
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"They" are already here, but in one word, Peace.
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For human beings to become members of the cosmos, we must be able to facilitate a peaceful lifestyle as ONE PLANET. They don't want us conquering other planets like we conquer other countries. And I'm sure they're extremely disturbed that we can kill members of our own species in the name of power and control. Would human beings seriously be a safe species to let loose on other peaceful innocent worlds? As of yet.. I don't think so.
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I hate to burst your bubble but Star Trek is fiction—fantasy, as is the idea/notion of ET’s, aliens, annunki, reptilians, greys, etc.... it is all made up for entertainment purposes. There won’t be “first contact” because there is nothing to contact. These things come from the imagination. Nothing based in reality.
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Where do you think "reality" comes from?

All is of the mind and how it fits external stimulus into its own cognitive model. WE are alien invaders to animals and each other (war, racism, hostile takeovers, immanent domain laws, etc .

Fish that get caught "vanish into the sky" as far as the other fish are concerned. To deny the possibility that others exist above your pond of "reality" is short sighted to say the very least.
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What constitutes first contact?

There are many who've had lifelong contact, including generational in their families.

And in the history of our planet this is ongoing, managed by ET, and the future is expanding into the solar system. Thats the cycle we're in, with the upgrades given even if their free will was to steal them, to solve population with clean energy and expansion.

Contact is ongoing for some, all have checkups whether they remember or not, and disclosure is a long term thing, drop by drop, possibly 600 years down the road or so, I've been told it will be roughly that long, that things will have changed a great deal by then. I was shown that helping in your communities, planting gardens, organic not gmo, meditation, good will to others, helping out where you can. Using talents to help out. That they were working on the long term issues, and our leaders, for example, this was what they do.
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My guesses:

1. universal government and world peace
2. development of advanced power generation
3. ??
4. PROFIT!

I can't see any advanced civilization wanting anything to do with us right now in our sorry state. We are a ghetto planet right now. Violent, fractious, unpredictable. I could see ETs looking at us and thinking, hooo boy, what a mess.

What would/could ETs do for us at this point? With whom would they speak? Who speaks for the world?
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Fixed it for you.
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Unfortunately 1 and 2 are directly incompatible with 4. This is why we fail. At everything. If there is no 4, no body tries anything.
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What constitutes first contact?

There are many who've had lifelong contact, including generational in their families.

And in the history of our planet this is ongoing, managed by ET, and the future is expanding into the solar system. Thats the cycle we're in, with the upgrades given even if their free will was to steal them, to solve population with clean energy and expansion.

Contact is ongoing for some, all have checkups whether they remember or not, and disclosure is a long term thing, drop by drop, possibly 600 years down the road or so, I've been told it will be roughly that long, that things will have changed a great deal by then. I was shown that helping in your communities, planting gardens, organic not gmo, meditation, good will to others, helping out where you can. Using talents to help out. That they were working on the long term issues, and our leaders, for example, this was what they do.
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Official government admission is what it takes. Which won't happen if they think there is power or control to be obtained by withholding the info or actively discrediting it.
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Try offering incense and precious stones....and an open heart.





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