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Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say

 
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Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
A faded fragment of papyrus known as the “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife,” which caused an uproar when unveiled by a Harvard Divinity School historian in 2012, has been tested by scientists who conclude in a journal published on Thursday that the ink and papyrus are very likely ancient, and not a modern forgery.

Skepticism about the tiny scrap of papyrus has been fierce because it contained a phrase never before seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife...’ ” Too convenient for some, it also contained the words “she will be able to be my disciple,” a clause that inflamed the debate in some churches over whether women should be allowed to be priests.
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yep and the sickest part is taht magdalen was actually his sister (two of the 4 sons of Cleopatra)

she is portried as the statue of liberty as simbol of the merovingian controlling US

she is also portrait in the Davinci last supper

she look like a man
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Jesus always referred to the church as his bride so I see no big deal in this?
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I'm still not sold on this. We're talking about a piece the size of a business card, supposedly cut out of a much larger document, by dealers just wanting to get the most bang for their buck by selling off pieces. ...And it just HAPPENS to be packed with just the right incendiary phrases about arguably one of the most hotly debated subjects of the last 2000 years.... Remarkable!

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Jesus is not promiscuous.
He will have a wife.
She is the Redeemed of God, out of every nation,
tribe and tongue on Earth.
Those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb
will be Christ's bride.
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
yep and the sickest part is taht magdalen was actually his sister (two of the 4 sons of Cleopatra)

she is portried as the statue of liberty as simbol of the merovingian controlling US

she is also portrait in the Davinci last supper

she look like a man
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You're always willing to make up fun facts about gentiles or those that hang with them, so helpful!
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in those days not having a wife at the age of 30+ would have been frowned upon ...

the absence of a wife would actually be a more remarkable thing and should have been documented.

The very fact that his wife is not mentioned in the new testament (absent or not) is also remarkable as such.
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...That is not to say that I don't doubt that the reality of the influence and presence of women among Jesus' immediate circle has been lost to us.

During that time, though, I think women giving up traditional roles to follow Jesus, and carry on a mission of service after his ascension, was a great challenge--for a woman, and for her family to accept...for the few committed women that did this.
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So, there was only one guy ever with that name there?
Well its no wonder they preferred Barabbas, since it wasnt a funny name!
Everyone tries to beat up or kill strangers with funny names.
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ohwell1
THATS A DAMN LIE IF I HEARD ONE!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Esu was married to Mary Magdaline. She is sitting at his right hand at the last supper. At this dinner, Esu told his disciples that women would be the leaders to preach his doctrine. Women were to be the leaders of his churches.

Of course we know the result of this abomination as the men could not allow this great religious power to be given to women. We are living the results today.
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Someone correct me if im wrong because im not recalling the specifics right this moment but wasnt the sect of Religion that Jesus belonged to expected and even required to get married?
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Remarkable we still continued to trust Monsanto, as the article states at the end that they were the ones to bless us with PCBs. Interestingly, then as now, it was the breast milk that ultimately revealed the damage being done to humans!



"This case of finding high levels of glyphosate in breast milk is a re-run of the Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) scandal in the 1970s (6), which ended up in the toxic chemical compound's production being banned by the U.S. Congress in 1979.

"Before the ban Monsanto, the only North American producer, had marketed PCBs under the trade name Aroclor from 1930 to 1977 and had insisted that it was not toxic.

"It was not until levels of PCBs in breast milk were found to be 10 times those in blood, obtained from residents in the Osaka Prefecture of Japan (7), that the toxicity of PCBs was questioned by regulators, leading to the 1979 ban.

"According to the EPA, PCBs, which were widely used for over 40 years as dielectric and coolant fluids, have now been shown to cause cancer in humans."


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^^ D'oh! Wrong thread.
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The one that attempted to turn Christianity into a hebrew-like he-man-woman-haters club was Saul/Paul who tired of persecuting Christians one at a time and decided to hollow it out from the inside and convert it to judeochristianity and make it into an impotent suicide sect.

Probably most of Christianities inner conflicts and paradoxes originate with this mans opinions that came, apparently from nowhere else but his backside.
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^^ Indeed. ...I think Paul represented the inner conflict within our collective unconscious. The genetic spiritual hodgepodge that we are... Some day, we are to ultimately balance both the Yahweh and Jehovah energies, light and dark.
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Jesus is not promiscuous.
He will have a wife.
She is the Redeemed of God, out of every nation,
tribe and tongue on Earth.
Those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb
will be Christ's bride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56634355


The argument that Christ couldn't be married because that would make him an adulterer or promiscuous is not valid. If you used that line of thinking he would already be guilty as many of those that are "washed in the blood" as you stated are married themselves. Under Jewish law that too would make him an adulterer. The use of the Bride of Christ as the church is to show imagery.
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Considering they even have his name wrong this is not a surprise. He was teaching how to attain enlightenment like al the other great masters. The ignorant and vile church in Rome took over and Christians have been lost ever since.
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
yep and the sickest part is taht magdalen was actually his sister (two of the 4 sons of Cleopatra)

she is portried as the statue of liberty as simbol of the merovingian controlling US

she is also portrait in the Davinci last supper

she look like a man
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What planet did you get that info from?

Proof? Links? Anything?

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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
If Jesus really existed, he would have been a jewish rabbi. And rabbis are expected to be married.
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It's funny how many Christians actively resist knowledge of the actual Jesus and will fight to defend what Nicea has used on them all these generations.
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If Jesus really existed, he would have been a jewish rabbi. And rabbis are expected to be married.
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Right, thats what the other poster was alluding to i think.
Lets not get facts mixed up with ppls feelings though. They'll get all "believe what i was told to be true or fire and brimstone for you!" on us.
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I think its worse than that, Paul seems to simply made shit up and reapplied hebrew priorities to destroy Jesus' teachings which by their nature overturned the most fundamental of them.

I can't say for sure through time and distance, but most of what he wrote was pretty much no more than his opinion and derived more often than not from some version of hebrew ritualism that suggests to me that all he did was try to paper over hebrew priorities with a Jesus poster.
Obviously Pauls writings differ substantially from the others who seemed less interested in expanding into areas far afield as Paul often did.

Its hard to know what exactly to believe since so many men with varying priorities have messed with the various documents and more often than not the priorities were more to promote a return to some form of officially imperial sanction which emphasizes mindless passivity and buries the fact that one is not to support or cooperate with obviously evil events or authorities.
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yep and the sickest part is taht magdalen was actually his sister (two of the 4 sons of Cleopatra)

she is portried as the statue of liberty as simbol of the merovingian controlling US

she is also portrait in the Davinci last supper

she look like a man
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56635349




What planet did you get that info from?

Proof? Links? Anything?

:AngryCompD:
 Quoting: Soma/Comatose


rofl

More idiotic delusional ramblings from GLP's finest.....
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Let's look at a few quotes from Rome herself. Pope Leo XIII, in his Encycl. Divinum illud, May 9,1897 stated: "...Unite, then, Venerable Brethren, your prayers with Ours, and at your exhortation let all Christian peoples add their prayers also, invoking the powerful and ever-acceptable intercession of the Blessed Virgin. You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Spirit, so that SHE IS JUSTLY CALLED HIS SPOUSE. Her intercession was of great avail both in the mystery of the Incarnation and in the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles...." (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, Selected and arranged by The Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, Imprimatur: His Eminence, Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, May 31, 1961, 150.)

This is where it all is going....the Roman church considers 'mary' to be the wife of the Holy Spirit. Considering that Jesus said that He'd be our comforter and come to us, what the Roman church is subtedly stating is that Jesus Christ is married to his own mother - 'Mary'. Which is none other than the Isis mythology.
Now they just need lying signs and wonders to cement the growing belief that it's their church who "is hiding the truth". They care not that you believe their current dogma, they only care that you believe they hold secrets that are true....just the same tactic of all mystery school religions.
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
Jesus is not promiscuous.
He will have a wife.
She is the Redeemed of God, out of every nation,
tribe and tongue on Earth.
Those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb
will be Christ's bride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56634355


Your chatty and babbling extra words not relevent to the topic here only show your patronizing condescension. That is why people avoid going to church, the arrogance and the preacherese.

Have you learned sonething here? Or, do you remain religiously arrogant in your knowledge of Jesus wherein you do not actually replicate His Power and works as He specified in John 14:12? Look it up, unless you are afraid to do so.
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bump
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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
But Professor King said: ‘I’m basically hoping that we can move past the issue of forgery to questions about the significance of this fragment for the history of Christianity, for thinking about questions like, “Why does Jesus being married, or not, even matter?” Why is it that people had such an incredible reaction to this?’
Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


I have an answer to this question -
If the Bible left out something as important as Jesus' wife, then what else has been left out and how can the Bible even be trusted?
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ohwell1
THATS A DAMN LIE IF I HEARD ONE!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Uhhhh,
Is Jesus/Yahshua not coming back for his "bride"/"wife"? So, certainly she will be His disciple. She will make herself ready with her garment on, and be waiting. She lives for that day, and awaits to hear His voice so they might attend the Marriage Supper!

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Re: Papyrus Referring to Jesus’s Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say
It's funny how many Christians actively resist knowledge of the actual Jesus and will fight to defend what Nicea has used on them all these generations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22918479


After the Nicean council got done, was there even a real 'Jesus' to begin with or did they they make it all up.





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