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Zarqawi "beaten to death" by US soldiers?

 
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Gulf Dailey News, Monday 12 June, 2006

LONDON: The leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, may have been beaten to death by US forces following the air strike on his safe house, two British newspapers claimed yesterday.The Observer and the Sunday Times both carried reports on events leading up to his death, citing apparent eye-witnesses to the immediate aftermath of the attack near Baquba, last Wednesday.

But the leader of coalition forces in Iraq, US General George Casey, dismissed the claims as "ludicrous", telling the Fox News television channel: "That's baloney."

In a two-page report, The Observer said that although there was no corroboration of the claims that the badly-injured Zarqawi was beaten to death, revelations of revenge killings by US troops "means it cannot be discounted".

It quoted one man as saying US soldiers pulled a man resembling Zarqawi from an ambulance where locals had placed him, wrapped his traditional Arab robe, the dishdasha, around his head and "battered him severely till he died".

But General Casey said, "We've already gone back and looked at it. Our soldiers who came on the scene found him being put in an ambulance by Iraqi police, they took him off, rendered first aid, and only then expired."
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[link to www.gulf-daily-news.com]
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Zarqawi Beaten, 'That's Baloney'
U.S. General Dismisses Claims That Troops Hit Qaeda In Iraq Leader
[OP: Well, he would hardly admit it, would he?]

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"When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose."
Mohammed
Iraqi man who claims U.S. soldiers beat al-Zarqawi.

(CBS/AP) The top commander of U.S. troops in Iraq brushed back claims that slain al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was beaten by U.S. forces after his hideout was bombed Wednesday.

"The way I respond to the comments of the alleged Iraqi who saw what went on there is: 'that's baloney,' Gen. George Casey said."

[OP: An inadequate response, Gen. Casey. It's not very convincing to rubbish an eyewitness without explaining WHY the man was wrong. But then you can't, can you, because the man was right. As the US soldiers were certainly searching for Zarqawi after the house was bombed, why would they waste their energy beating up someone else there?]

"An Iraqi man who was one of the first people on the scene of the U.S. airstrike targeting al-Zarqawi said he saw American troops beating a man who had a beard like the al Qaeda leader.

Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Casey said al-Zarqawi died while American soldiers were attempting to save his life."

[OP: Like hell! Believe that and you will believe anything. One minute the US military is trying to kill Zarqawi, the next minute they are trying to save his life! Oh! how humanitarian of them! Does Casey really think we will fall for his nonsense?].

"The witness, who lives near the house where al-Zarqawi spent his last days, said he saw the man lying on the ground near an irrigation canal. He was badly wounded but still alive, the man told Associated Press Television News.

The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived.

"When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead."

[OP: After witnessing several minutes of brutal beating to death, the guy hardly needed to check Zarqawi's pulse in order to be pretty sure he was dead!]

"No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the Iraqi man's account that al-Zarqawi was beaten. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying."
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This story has never added up right from the start. Everyone in the house gets killed. Then everyone gets killed except Zarqawi, who has nine lives. Then he dies from his injuries despite having only a bruise and a few scratches on his face. Then someone claims he saw US soldiers beating him to death after he showed signs of life. Then the military fly in forensic experts (why bother, if they were so sure how he died? LOL! We can be confident, can't we, that these guys are absolutely independent of the military and will carry out an impartial examination of the body and report honestly, if it proves the case, that Zarqawi died of injuried sustained from a beating by US soldiers. Like hell!). Of course the military command already know how the man died. Only they won't tell YOU.

Smoke and mirrors again. Don't you get tired of the lies?
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I'd prefer to hear he was whacked out Mafia Style, you know what I mean?
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10075! Well, I think you got it right.
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Don't be rediculous. If it really was Zarqawi he would have been worth more alive than dead for the intel he would reveal.
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Two 500lb bombs would have torn his body to shreds with the blast alone, lying fucking yanks....
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That suspicion was expressed in the Austrian news already:
[link to www.kurier.at]

"Was Zarqawi beaten to death?
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Was Zarqawi beaten to death by US?
PRESS TRUST OF INDIA
Posted online: Monday, June 12, 2006 at 0926 hours IST

LONDON, JUN 11 : A mortally wounded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, head of the terror wing of al-Qaeda in Iraq, was allegedly beaten to death by US forces after a massive air strike on a safe house in Iraq where the militant was hiding, eye-witnesses say.

Native Iraqis who happened to be on the scene when the airstrike happened, have been quoted as saying that Zarqawi, a dreaded figure for the beheadings and numerous suicide attacks he orchestrated, was still alive when the US troops and Iraqi police drove up to the smouldering wreck of the safe house he was hiding in and was beaten to death by the forces.

Ali Abbas, a young farm labourer told the Sunday Times that he, along with some locals, rushed outside soon after a US aircraft dropped two bombs in north Baghdad and "heard a moan coming from another part of the house (safe house)." They reportedly found Zarqawi, who they did not recognise as Iraq's most wanted terrorist. "There was life in him still. It took seven of us to move him from within the rubble and carry him out about 100 metres." Soon Iraqi and US forces turned up.

"They were shouting and screaming and in a very tense and agitated mood," Abbas said.

"The Americans tore his dishdasha (robe) and they kept on asking him through an interpreter, 'What is your name, what is your name?'," said Abbas addding that the American forces were probably afraid that the militant was wearing a suicide belt.

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" addding that the American forces were probably afraid that the militant was wearing a suicide belt. "

Wouldn't it be dangerous to beat on explosives?
Something doesn't add up here.
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Good!!
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This is bullshit. A snatch and grab after the attack would have been done by SF and they would've taken pride in being able to bring him back alive to extract info.
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Why did they do that?
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he should have been beaten 1ooox over!
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Yeah I think this is bullshit...methinks the Yanks would have much more fun with him as a live captive...

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06/12/2006 09:39 AM
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Thanks, Dilatorines, for posting a quote from a second witness that he saw US soldiers interrogating 'Zarqawi'. It is consistent with what the other Iraqi, Mohammed, said, although not confirming his claim that they beat him to death. In my view, the soldiers checked that he was not wearing a suicide belt, then pummeled him to death. Although I know not everyone regards them as reliable, for what it is worth I will mention that Cloak&Dagger.com is reporting that 'Zarqawi' (in reality the latest surrogate run by CIA/MI6 as an agent provocateur) was shot at a police station, then brought and dumped in the ruins of the house. When the soldiers arriving on the scene discovered he was still alive, they beat him to death. Whether this was through anger because of the atrocities 'Zarqawi' had committed in the past or because they were under orders to kill him so that he would not need to be taken to hospital, where doctors would discover that he still had two good legs and therefore could not be the REAL Zarqawi, I don't know. The whole affair is extremely suspicious. Common sense tells us that everything would have been done medically to save him because of the information he had about al-Qaeda. But this supposes he was the real thing. As it looks likely that he WAS beaten to death, this can only mean one thing: the Americans did not want him alive despite the intelligence he could give them. This in turns indicates that he was NOT the real Zarqawi and therefore had to "be exterminated with extreme prejudice."
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Elmo, are you not assuming that he was the real Zarqawi? That's a big assumption to make. The fact that Special Forces did not show up as far as we know suggests the Americans did not want the guy alive and it was left to the grunts under orders to kill him off.
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Yes, kept alive for intelligence plus then handed over to the Iraqis for trial.
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what i dont get is why are people arguing over whether he was beaten to death or not. Point is dude is where he belongs - 6 ft under!
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CBS News: Autopsy: Blasts Killed Zarqawi
U.S. Military Says Injuries Consistent With Blast Waves From The 2 Bombs

BAGHDAD, June 12, 2006
A video image of dead al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. (AP Photo/U.S. Military)

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"We have clear evidence that he died of blast injuries. There is no evidence to suggest that he was beaten."
Col. Steve Jones

(CBS/AP) A U.S. military doctor said Monday that al Qaeda terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi died 52 minutes after an air strike against his safe house northeast of Baghdad and that an autopsy showed his injuries were consistent with those caused by a bomb blast.

Col. Steve Jones, command surgeon for Multinational Forces said that al-Zarqawi's spiritual adviser, Sheik Abdul-Rahman, was killed instantly. He added that an FBI test positively identified al-Zarqawi.

"Blast waves from the two bombs caused tearing, bruising of the lungs, and bleeding," Jones said.

"We have clear evidence that he died of blast injuries. There is no evidence to suggest that he was beaten, and I have no reason to suspect that that happened."

The al Qaeda in Iraq leader also suffered head and facial wounds, bleeding in his ears and a fracture of his lower right leg.

Maj. Gen William Caldwell, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Baghdad, said an F-16 dropped a 500-pound bomb on the house at 6:12 p.m. Wednesday. A second bomb followed immediately after.

U.S. troops arrived at 6:40 p.m. and found Iraqi police at the site. He said a coalition medic treated al-Zarqawi, who lapsed in and out of consciousness.

"The medic registered no pulse or respirations, and at 7:04 p.m. on 7 June, realized that Zarqawi was dead," said Caldwell. "This is approximately 24 minutes after the coalition forces arrived, or approximately 52 minutes after the first air strike on the safe house."

"It was evident he had massive internal injuries," Caldwell said.

He added that no decision had been made on what to do with the remains of al-Zarqawi and Rahman.

"These autopsies were performed to make a definitive determination as to the cause of both Zarqawi's and Rahman's deaths," Caldwell said. "The scientific facts provide irrefutable evidence regarding the deaths of terrorists will serve to counter speculation, misinformation and propaganda."

The airstrike killed another man, two women and girl between the ages of 5 and 7 who were in the house.

An Iraqi man who was one of the first people on the scene of the U.S. air strike targeting al-Zarqawi said he saw American troops beating a man who had a beard like the al Qaeda leader.

The witness, who lives near the house where al-Zarqawi spent his last days, said he saw the man lying on the ground near an irrigation canal. He was badly wounded but still alive, the man told Associated Press Television News.

The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived.

"When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.

No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the Iraqi man's account that al-Zarqawi was beaten.

Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said a patrol was in the area already.

"We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was."

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
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Question: why would an ordinary Iraqi witness lie that he had seen American soldiers beat someone who was widely hated in Iraq? There was nothing to gain by lying about it because it would not have made Zarqawi into a hero by doing so. He was detested. Someone is lying here. The American authorities have EVERYTHING to gain by covering up the truth. The anonymous Iraqi has everything to lose by contradicting what the military said. Indeed, he may have put his life at risk in telling journalists his story. He saw something he was not supposed to see. I suspect the forensic examination result is yet another lie to cover the fact that he had been beaten up and shot beforehand because he was no longer useful to CIA/MI6. Then in a clumsy exercise to cover this up, he was placed in the ruins of the bombed house to make it look like he had been killed. What had not been anticipated was that he would be STILL ALIVE by the time the police and soldiers arrived! So the latter had to kill him (under orders) in order that he would not be sent to hospital for medical treatment, where ORDINARY Iraqis would soon discover that he was NOT the real Zarqawi, who had an artificial leg.
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Elmo do you agree that we should bury the real predators and puppet m-asster criminals who are behind that all even more?
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81359, this is a conspiracy forum, where we dig deeper for the truth than FOX News. I am glad to see the man dead too. But the circumstances of his death suggest a cover-up is going on, and the question is WHY? Would you be so satisfied if it were proved that the man displayed triumphantly to the world as a trophy was NOT Zarqawi? I think not. So your comment begs the question whether we have been told the truth.
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Elmo, are you not assuming that he was the real Zarqawi? That's a big assumption to make. The fact that Special Forces did not show up as far as we know suggests the Americans did not want the guy alive and it was left to the grunts under orders to kill him off.
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That was the real Zarqawi, if they were going to fake something they would fake Osama. If they were going to fake this they would have done it on the last 10 raids that failed. If they were going to fake this they would have done this when they really needed a press distraction. Not everything that happens is a conspiracy regardless of GLP.
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Elmo do you agree that we should bury the real predators and puppet m-asster criminals who are behind that all even more?
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Apparently no one on this thread has been in the military. I have been part of "simple" operations and trying to pull these off is miraculous. What you suggest is comical - I guess the US government can only perform conspiracies well.

If he was beaten to death here is what would be said-

We engaged a HVT (high value target) who provided resistance at the time. He was wounded and we attempted to capture him while he continued aggressions at that time he was shot and killed

Make more sense- no they would run him around, divert F16's drop bombs and then sneak him in there. The more involved in a conspiracy the better it goes.

And remember from step one we were trying to kill him we dropped 2 500lb bombs on him!
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Elmo, that's a matter of opinion. bin Laden could be saved for the congressional elections for all we know. This discovery of Zarqawi at the very moment when the US military are being condemned worldwide for the murder of innocent people at Hadifa amd Ashaqi, is a little too convenient for my (and many others) liking. Of course not everything that happens has to have another layer to it. But when it does appear that the military have lied and covered up what happened at Hadifa, why on earth should we give them the benefit of the doubt any more?
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One man's heart resus is another man's beating.

Truth is we'll probably never know the truth but if I wanted to beat a man to death I'd be stomping on his head not his chest.
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Elmo, you underestimate the ability of Special Forces and CIA. If this really was a psy op, don't you think all resources would be given to pulling it off? One's experience in the military means diddly when it comes to operations at this level. What sounds far-fetched to you is only to you.
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No, you would not if you had to show the man to the world afterwards and had to explain why there was a bloody big shoe print on the man's face!
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Now saying he lived for 52 minutes after attack.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi lived for 52 minutes after a U.S. warplane bombed his hideout northeast of Baghdad, and he died of extensive internal injuries consistent with those caused by a bomb blast, the U.S. military said Monday.

Col. Steve Jones, command surgeon for Multinational Forces, said an autopsy concluded that al-Zarqawi died from serious injuries to his lungs. An FBI test positively identified al-Zarqawi’s remains.
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Elmo, you underestimate the ability of Special Forces and CIA. If this really was a psy op, don't you think all resources would be given to pulling it off? One's experience in the military means diddly when it comes to operations at this level. What sounds far-fetched to you is only to you.
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Not really I have an idea of SF operations, I served in the rangers, was asked to apply to a combat applications Group was accepted and then washed out on a medical during training.

The Haditha incident took to long to come to the surface but now those involved sit in prison and await charges. I dont think this was a cover operation for that at all .
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Very easy to distinguish between internal injuries due to a bomb blast wave and those due to a severe beating? Think not. The coverup continues.
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f_in a a god darn blanket party
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It could well have been meant as a long-prepared morale booster in view of the recent American setbacks. Many bloggers are suggesting that. But I respect your difference of view. One can argue either way on the issue.





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