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France fired the latest volley Thursday in the world's uphill battle against African elephant poaching, crushing three tonnes of illegal ivory in a ceremony at the foot of the Eiffel Tower.

The contraband, with an estimated street value of one million euros ($1.4 million), was fed into a giant crushing machine and ground into tiny fragments to be carted off and incinerated.

It was the first major crushing ceremony of ivory in Europe since a global ivory ban was imposed in 1989.

"With this destruction today... France is sending an unequivocal message to poachers, traffickers and consumers of illicit wildlife products," said French Environment Minister Philippe Martin who attended the event.

"We are resolved to continue the fight against trafficking, and to remove any temptation to recover the seized ivory" for the contraband market.



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I'm sort of torn.

I feel like crushing the ivory just means all those elephants who lost their lives died in vain.

But if they turned around and resold it, they'd be part of the problem. And if they stored it, it would surely have fallen into the wrong hands.

I'm not sure what the right answer is here...
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Thanks for the pin.

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I'm sort of torn.

I feel like crushing the ivory just means all those elephants who lost their lives died in vain.

But if they turned around and resold it, they'd be part of the problem. And if they stored it, it would surely have fallen into the wrong hands.

I'm not sure what the right answer is here...
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There is a place in hell for people who kill animals for money

Why not give the ivory back to the country from where it came?

Let them decide what to do with it. I have a real soft spot for all animals and especially the very intelligent animals that live in a structured herd like elephants. They are loving and smart animals who value family
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What ^^^^^ he said ;)

Thanks for sharing, Doomish!!!
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Wait, what if they sold it and used the funds to hire armed guards for wild elephants against poachers????
Agggg, you're right. No good answer :/
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Wait, what if they sold it and used the funds to hire armed guards for wild elephants against poachers????
Agggg, you're right. No good answer :/
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crossed my mind too
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Wait, what if they sold it and used the funds to hire armed guards for wild elephants against poachers????
Agggg, you're right. No good answer :/
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Not a bad idea. $1+ million would buy a hell of a guard army. But you just know that getting that kind of money to the right people would be difficult. 99% of it would end up lining one of the pockets of some rich animal-hating bureaucrat.

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They sure taught those poachers a lesson, considering they already made their money. You think a bunch of third world people looking to put food on the table gives a shit about France?
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Wait, what if they sold it and used the funds to hire armed guards for wild elephants against poachers????
Agggg, you're right. No good answer :/
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Not a bad idea. $1+ million would buy a hell of a guard army. But you just know that getting that kind of money to the right people would be difficult. 99% of it would end up lining one of the pockets of some rich animal-hating bureaucrat.
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I don't know. Hubs went to Mopeto or somewhere on the East Coast of Africa for biz and a nickel sure goes far to the common man over there!!
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They sure taught those poachers a lesson, considering they already made their money. You think a bunch of third world people looking to put food on the table gives a shit about France?
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I thought about that too, no actual punishment came to the harvesters. They don't give 2 shits what happens once they get their pay.
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the scumbags crush ivory, burn stacks of guns etc...they could be sold for money for poor people in Africa and the guns can be used for people to defend themselves
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The ivory should have been donated to a museum or sold, and the money used to protect elephant habitat or pay guards.

Crushing it did nothing put make a few people happy. No elephants lives were saved.
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Why not just use synthetic ivory or other composite material. Can the real thing really be all that great with all the things science can offer?

[article about synthetic ivory]

[link to www.nytimes.com]





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I should be carved into an apology tribute to all the animals that died for it. A message for future generations to see that we used the ivory to send a message that it was bad to harvest it. Perhaps a future generation would see that we were trying to be wise.
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Why not just use synthetic ivory or other composite material. Can the real thing really be all that great with all the things science can offer?

[article about synthetic ivory]

[link to www.nytimes.com]





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Apparently someone's still buying it.
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I should be carved into an apology tribute to all the animals that died for it. A message for future generations to see that we used the ivory to send a message that it was bad to harvest it. Perhaps a future generation would see that we were trying to be wise.
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That's actually a good idea. If they could have connected the tusks together in the shape of an elephant and carved a tribute over the tusks. That would have made a fabulous museum piece as well as a tribute to those animals who so meaninglessly lost their lives.
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Why not just use synthetic ivory or other composite material. Can the real thing really be all that great with all the things science can offer?

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Perhaps I am confusing it with Rhino horn, but I bet some damn people are using them for aphrodisiacs.

Cool avatar, synchro. Forgot if that's from Ultraman?? Lol
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All those idiots did was just drive the price of Ivory higher on the market...supply and demand. Stupid fucks. Now it's worth more than before so yep...now more people will kill because now they will get even more money. Actually, they hope these idiots will do it again...rinse and repeat.

Those very stupid people...
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I'm sort of torn.

I feel like crushing the ivory just means all those elephants who lost their lives died in vain.

But if they turned around and resold it, they'd be part of the problem. And if they stored it, it would surely have fallen into the wrong hands.

I'm not sure what the right answer is here...
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Crushing them seems the right answer. Allow their bodies to be a peace.

Elephants are so magnificent. What kind of monsters can do this?

It's best not to have any remainder of their suffering left to be enjoyed as some prize trinket.

So much useless suffering. God help us
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Not just France, Hong Kong is doing it too.

Good! Thank you France and Hong Kong


Thread: Hong Kong to Destroy 28 Tons of Ivory, Crush Will Be Largest Ever Done
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Not just France, Hong Kong is doing it too.

Good! Thank you France and Hong Kong


Thread: Hong Kong to Destroy 28 Tons of Ivory, Crush Will Be Largest Ever Done
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What should be done is round up the poachers and dealers and sell their bones for trinkets and ship them to all corners of the earth.
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Not just France, Hong Kong is doing it too.

Good! Thank you France and Hong Kong


Thread: Hong Kong to Destroy 28 Tons of Ivory, Crush Will Be Largest Ever Done
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*sigh*

What a tragic, tragic waste.
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Not just France, Hong Kong is doing it too.

Good! Thank you France and Hong Kong


Thread: Hong Kong to Destroy 28 Tons of Ivory, Crush Will Be Largest Ever Done
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What should be done is round up the poachers and dealers and sell their bones for trinkets and ship them to all corners of the earth.
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this1

This is justice.
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That's great because, earlier I was getting heckled my somebody claiming to know something of the nobody. He/she was from France...I was a little upset. But now, I am proud of the Country?
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Not just France, Hong Kong is doing it too.

Good! Thank you France and Hong Kong


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What should be done is round up the poachers and dealers and sell their bones for trinkets and ship them to all corners of the earth.
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I'd buy a piece.

Then bring it home and burn it.
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Every fucking time they destroy ivory they create more demand for the shit!
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There is a place in hell for people who kill animals for money

Why not give the ivory back to the country from where it came?

Let them decide what to do with it. I have a real soft spot for all animals and especially the very intelligent animals that live in a structured herd like elephants. They are loving and smart animals who value family
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Why not just use synthetic ivory or other composite material. Can the real thing really be all that great with all the things science can offer?

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Perhaps I am confusing it with Rhino horn, but I bet some damn people are using them for aphrodisiacs.

Cool avatar, synchro. Forgot if that's from Ultraman?? Lol
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