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viraja
User ID: 53937228 United States 02/05/2014 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evan. Female here. Concealed carry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247 But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times. For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy. What can a woman conceal and handle? I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back. But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them. Look at small revolvers in .38spc or .357mag. See if someone will let you shoot one to get a feel for it. They are more difficult to reload than semi-automatics, but, if you can't operate a slide a semi-auto should be out of the question. If you ever had a stoppage, you wouldn't be able to clear it. Thanks for the answer. I am learning about guns and I'm good a shooting clays with a shotgun - but the little pistols aren't very accurate. I like to hit what I aim at with the high cost of ammunition and all. LOL dry fire is the answer. Practice the elements, draw, sight alignment, press, followup. The small pistols can be very accurate at realistic ranges. Also, it is very important to remember that if you do have weak hand/wrist/arm strength, firing the larger caliber small frame semi-auto pistols gives a higher probability of a misfire. In that case, I second the idea that you should stick with a revolver. You will not have to worry about a jam. This will increase your confidence in a stressful situation, trust me. If you practice, it is actually hard to miss at typical self defense range. You will get off all 5 shots, and 5 .38+P hollow points will put down just about anyone, or at least make them leave you alone. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4171467 United States 02/05/2014 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4171467 I doubt it VERY much. What you think the law is and what the law really is are 2 different things. It is a VERY fine line between legal and not legal and it is highly unlikely that the average person knows the distinction. Lawyers specialize in the law. None of them KNOW all of the laws in their own state and so they pick a slice of the pie and they focus on it. Even if that woman was not charged criminally, which I HIGHLY doubt, she still can look forward to a costly civil trial with the stress that goes along with that. She might lose her home, her friends, her job due to stress. She might get threats from strangers who knew the victim and her home and car may get vandalized by those people as well. Nothing good comes from acting rashly and that commercial is a mindless piece of propaganda that some people don't seem capable of understanding. What about this? [link to definitions.uslegal.com] Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure? Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property. Yes of course but the stated situation was at what point can a deadly threat be perceived and acted on? ans. When the danger enters your space which is the curtlige Negative. Having an unwanted person on your property is NOT justification to use deadly force. There must be a quantifiable and imminent physical threat that can be articulated to the police (NEVER talk to the police) and the prosecutor and the judge and the jury. If that guy in the commercial had a gun that was pointed at the woman through the window, that might do the job depending on her exposure and closeness to the subject at the time of the shooting. This is not math where 2+2 ALWAYS =4. When people are involved in making judgements about these things, there is rarely a time when everyone agrees. This is why I said...... if you can avoid a situation, then avoid it. |
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Hard Eight
User ID: 35278639 United States 02/05/2014 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | S&W 642 Airweght nice little carry IMO. 5 shots and no slide/safety hassles. Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian |
Relativity
User ID: 51152071 United States 02/05/2014 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] I just fart in their general direction.. Does that typically workout for you? I also can fart a Glock21 sl...Night scopes, laser.. Mossberg...ar-15...whatever fart hits my doorstep!! Turns to POOP MMMKAY!!!! Last Edited by Relativity on 02/05/2014 07:28 PM “In finding balance between lies and trust there will never be a better source than to speak your truth or make your peace some other way.” ~Sully Erna Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalph "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare |
s. d. butler
User ID: 974819 United States 02/05/2014 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure? Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property. Yes of course but the stated situation was at what point can a deadly threat be perceived and acted on? ans. When the danger enters your space which is the curtlige Negative. Having an unwanted person on your property is NOT justification to use deadly force. There must be a quantifiable and imminent physical threat that can be articulated to the police (NEVER talk to the police) and the prosecutor and the judge and the jury. If that guy in the commercial had a gun that was pointed at the woman through the window, that might do the job depending on her exposure and closeness to the subject at the time of the shooting. This is not math where 2+2 ALWAYS =4. When people are involved in making judgements about these things, there is rarely a time when everyone agrees. This is why I said...... if you can avoid a situation, then avoid it. the totality of circumstance points to justifiable self defense, the knife, the cut lines, disparity of force etc. is there a perceived threat to life? ans. yes. It was just a video to make a point. Anyway the rest of your post is very correct in my view. Better to avoid. |
Relativity
User ID: 51152071 United States 02/05/2014 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4171467 Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure? Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property. Yes of course but the stated situation was at what point can a deadly threat be perceived and acted on? ans. When the danger enters your space which is the curtlige Negative. Having an unwanted person on your property is NOT justification to use deadly force. There must be a quantifiable and imminent physical threat that can be articulated to the police (NEVER talk to the police) and the prosecutor and the judge and the jury. If that guy in the commercial had a gun that was pointed at the woman through the window, that might do the job depending on her exposure and closeness to the subject at the time of the shooting. This is not math where 2+2 ALWAYS =4. When people are involved in making judgements about these things, there is rarely a time when everyone agrees. This is why I said...... if you can avoid a situation, then avoid it. the totality of circumstance points to justifiable self defense, the knife, the cut lines, disparity of force etc. is there a perceived threat to life? ans. yes. It was just a video to make a point. Anyway the rest of your post is very correct in my view. Better to avoid. I bet Mr. Zimmerman wishes he would have just walked away!! “In finding balance between lies and trust there will never be a better source than to speak your truth or make your peace some other way.” ~Sully Erna Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalph "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare |
BoilerBloodline
User ID: 39864965 United States 02/05/2014 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] We are eternal all this pain is an illusion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4171467 United States 02/05/2014 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4171467 Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure? Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property. Yes of course but the stated situation was at what point can a deadly threat be perceived and acted on? ans. When the danger enters your space which is the curtlige Negative. Having an unwanted person on your property is NOT justification to use deadly force. There must be a quantifiable and imminent physical threat that can be articulated to the police (NEVER talk to the police) and the prosecutor and the judge and the jury. If that guy in the commercial had a gun that was pointed at the woman through the window, that might do the job depending on her exposure and closeness to the subject at the time of the shooting. This is not math where 2+2 ALWAYS =4. When people are involved in making judgements about these things, there is rarely a time when everyone agrees. This is why I said...... if you can avoid a situation, then avoid it. the totality of circumstance points to justifiable self defense, the knife, the cut lines, disparity of force etc. is there a perceived threat to life? ans. yes. It was just a video to make a point. Anyway the rest of your post is very correct in my view. Better to avoid. Nobody is saying that the guy in the video did not have intentions to do her harm, but he had not crossed the line where shooting him through the window, as he stood outside, was legally justified. Do you recall my earlier comment that inspired the Indiana jailhouse lawyer to make me laugh? I said the commercial encourages people to shoot before the "criminal" breaks into the house. Not a good idea." Nobody on the jury is going to believe that a stranger standing outside your house is an imminent threat. A POTENTIAL threat, maybe, but not imminent. Once inside the house, it's another story. Even if the guy was wielding an axe, he is not an imminent threat while he remains outside. If we are going to use the logic of some people in this thread, then do they favor charging every person, who is peacefully carrying a firearm, with attemped armed robbery simply because they walked into a convenience store to pack a soda? After all, he is armed, so he is a potential armed robber, right? Like I said earlier, there is a fine line between legal and not legal and most people don't understand it. Even the police and the prosecutor and the judge and jury see things differently from each other. It's always better to avoid causing harm to another person, even if that person is behaving in a completely inappropriate manner, if it is possible to avoid harming them. |
BoilerBloodline
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14380192 United States 02/05/2014 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] :newlaw7: :Silliness::HillbillyHolster: brilliant. |
BattlesightZero
User ID: 53683117 United States 02/11/2014 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evan. Female here. Concealed carry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247 But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times. For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy. What can a woman conceal and handle? I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back. But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them. I have a nice small S&W 380 revolver plus a .40 Springfield. Both pretty good. Check into the amo coming out RIP, the rounds break into several pieces, bad guy stands no chance no matter what size the round. RIP ammo is very expensive, and in my tests failed to penetrate effectively under some circumstances. I wouldn't bother with it. After many years and a lot of testing, I have found that certain loadings just do better, but that the "best" defensive ammo is very caliber specific. IMHO, "best" is - In 10mm, Winchester Silvertip 175gr In 45ACP, Magtech Guardian Gold 230gr JHP+P, with Winchester "Defender" PDX1 230grJHP as a close second In 40S&W, Federal Hydra-Shok 180gr In 9mm, Remington Golden Saber 147gr, with Magtech Guardian Gold 124grJHP as a close second. As you can see, my first choices are all max-heavy rounds for their caliber. With defensive ammo, don't skimp...hit 'em with a ton of bricks, then hit 'em with another ton!! BattlesightZero YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period. |
SPUD
02/11/2014 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RIP ammo is very expensive, and in my tests failed to penetrate effectively under some circumstances. I wouldn't bother with it. After many years and a lot of testing, I have found that certain loadings just do better, but that the "best" defensive ammo is very caliber specific. Quoting: BattlesightZero IMHO, "best" is - In 10mm, Winchester Silvertip 175gr In 45ACP, Magtech Guardian Gold 230gr JHP+P, with Winchester "Defender" PDX1 230grJHP as a close second In 40S&W, Federal Hydra-Shok 180gr In 9mm, Remington Golden Saber 147gr, with Magtech Guardian Gold 124grJHP as a close second. As you can see, my first choices are all max-heavy rounds for their caliber. With defensive ammo, don't skimp...hit 'em with a ton of bricks, then hit 'em with another ton!! Good post, man. "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" ___________ "May your chains rest lightly upon you..." |
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