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Guns Are Good Mmmmkay..

 
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Great thread OP and great discussion!

If you believe that the power comes from the People, then there is no moral or practical reason to disarm the People.
 Quoting: StarF


The Privateers of the for profit private corporation posing as the Public government have a very practical reason.

If they disarmed the people, they would have to increase the size of the police forces in order to provide a bit more protection for their slave labor. This means they can increase taxes. Which means more money in their pockets. It also means they and their lawyers make more money skimming off of the increase in court cases as a result of people breaking the law (and getting caught) just to defend themselves against the rise in criminal activity that results from a disarmed population.

This then results in more police arresting the hard criminals as well, which means more prisons, another big money maker for the Cartel in Charge.
 Quoting: viraja


The Privateers and Publicteers are on-in-the-same. That is the evil of Crony Capitalism/Statism. You are either with them or against them.

I am against them, and thus, they seek to disarm me so that I can be made to comply or be discarded.
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I am pro-gun but I am anti-cheesy commercials. ohyeah
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Ok non cheesy.. how about this one? tounge


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Can you say "Nacho"?

Not only is it in the same league with the others, but it encourages people to shoot before the "criminal" breaks into the house. Not a good idea.

If the commercial was "true life", the end of the commercial would have that woman wearing an orange jumpsuit that read "INMATE" on the back of it and we would see her she whiling away her youth in the crowbar hotel.

Thanks for trying though.
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Well, in Florida you got the Castle Law and it would be completely legal for her to do that.
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I am pro-gun but I am anti-cheesy commercials. ohyeah
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Ok non cheesy.. how about this one? tounge


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53391810


Can you say "Nacho"?

Not only is it in the same league with the others, but it encourages people to shoot before the "criminal" breaks into the house. Not a good idea.

If the commercial was "true life", the end of the commercial would have that woman wearing an orange jumpsuit that read "INMATE" on the back of it and we would see her she whiling away her youth in the crowbar hotel.

Thanks for trying though.
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Well, in Florida you got the Castle Law and it would be completely legal for her to do that.
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I doubt it VERY much. What you think the law is and what the law really is are 2 different things. It is a VERY fine line between legal and not legal and it is highly unlikely that the average person knows the distinction.

Lawyers specialize in the law. None of them KNOW all of the laws in their own state and so they pick a slice of the pie and they focus on it.

Even if that woman was not charged criminally, which I HIGHLY doubt, she still can look forward to a costly civil trial with the stress that goes along with that. She might lose her home, her friends, her job due to stress.

She might get threats from strangers who knew the victim and her home and car may get vandalized by those people as well.

Nothing good comes from acting rashly and that commercial is a mindless piece of propaganda that some people don't seem capable of understanding.
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5 stars from me.

OP you post is the sound of the FUCKING hammer hitting the nail on the head.
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5 stars from me.

OP you post is the sound of the FUCKING hammer hitting the nail on the head.
 Quoting: Hwy380


cheers
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
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PS In the state of Missouri you can shoot them in the YARD if they threaten you!
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


Look at small revolvers in .38spc or .357mag. See if someone will let you shoot one to get a feel for it.

They are more difficult to reload than semi-automatics, but, if you can't operate a slide a semi-auto should be out of the question. If you ever had a stoppage, you wouldn't be able to clear it.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


I have a nice small S&W 380 revolver plus a .40 Springfield. Both pretty good. Check into the amo coming out RIP, the rounds break into several pieces, bad guy stands no chance no matter what size the round.
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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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haha

cheers
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Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also.

1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners.

2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year.

3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun.

4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity.

5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide.

6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners.

7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members.

So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners.


[link to www.gunowners.org (secure)]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

:newlaw7:
 Quoting: *Evan


Good stats.

I would like to add an observation that I rarely see mentioned. It can't be exactly quantified by statistics, but all the statistics you quoted add legitimacy to it.

Imagine the crime stats if guns were made illegal in the same way as alcohol or pot prohibition.

It would create the most violent and deadly black market ever seen.

It would actually make it EASIER for the criminally inclined to obtain guns, and law abiding citizens would be sitting ducks.

And the only way to deal with the hell this would unleash would be to increase the size of every police department by 10x. There would be that many less people to do the work of normal occupations. And there would be constant bloodbaths and innocents shot in crossfire.

Liberal idiots have no ability to employ logic to foresee consequences of their delusions. NONE.
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You mean like Mexico?
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Just bought a 300 Win Mag. Gonna get it set in this weekend!

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need a decent glass with that. Has a tendency to shake cheap scopes apart.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


Look at small revolvers in .38spc or .357mag. See if someone will let you shoot one to get a feel for it.

They are more difficult to reload than semi-automatics, but, if you can't operate a slide a semi-auto should be out of the question. If you ever had a stoppage, you wouldn't be able to clear it.
 Quoting: StarF

My Buckmark 22 is just fine - but too big to conceal. I like that the semi-auto lets me carry extra cartridges. I am frequently in that state with a 7 round max loaded.

I just think if I got "nervous" I couldn't reload a revolver. The handle has to be small enough for my hand to go around. I'm a good shot too.

Oh, and the recoil is an issue. I have read that a little gun with a big recoil is terribly inaccurate because it has to be sighted from scratch each SHOT. Less recoil is more accurate. A shot landed is better than a bigger BOOM huh?
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


The Smith & Wesson M&P Shield leads the pack and is offered in 9mm and 40 S&W. This striker-fired polymer framed pistol measures less than an inch from side to side and has an overall length just a hair over 6 inches. It weighs in at 19 ounces unloaded and for a woman forgoing a belt and a holster it can easily be concealed in a purse holster such as the Hollister Soft Hobo concealed carry purse.

The Ruger LCP is a polymer framed double action only handgun chambered in 380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol). Although the round represents the bare minimum for personal protection, the pistol is very small and weighs a mere 9 ounces. As a result perceived recoil can be sharp, but the design has proven to be very popular with female shooters. Not much larger than a smart phone or an IPod, it can be hidden yet accessible in a purse such as a Raven Shoulder Pouch.

The Beretta Nano represents a compact polymer framed 9mm handgun with interchangeable back straps to better conform to a shooter’s hand. The magazine release is easily removable and can be switched to the right side for left handed shooters.

The Ruger LC9 is the big brother (or big sister) to the Ruger LCP and chambered in the more potent 9mm cartridge. Surprisingly the felt recoil is less than that of the LCP, due mostly to the slightly larger size and weight of the LC9. With an unloaded weight of 17 ounces, the appropriate home for this pistol by the Arizona gun maker might be in a Montana West Original concealed carry purse.
 Quoting: *Evan

Thanks so much for the detailed response.
I always read your posts. I will take these suggestions to the gun store or the GUN SHOW next time.

I'm one of the ladies at them.

Used to be a Libtard - then I married a REAL man and started learning the truth about guns.

I'm only 5'0" so I better be packin' if trouble arises. I could be anyone's MOM.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


The Smith & Wesson M&P Shield leads the pack and is offered in 9mm and 40 S&W. This striker-fired polymer framed pistol measures less than an inch from side to side and has an overall length just a hair over 6 inches. It weighs in at 19 ounces unloaded and for a woman forgoing a belt and a holster it can easily be concealed in a purse holster such as the Hollister Soft Hobo concealed carry purse.

The Ruger LCP is a polymer framed double action only handgun chambered in 380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol). Although the round represents the bare minimum for personal protection, the pistol is very small and weighs a mere 9 ounces. As a result perceived recoil can be sharp, but the design has proven to be very popular with female shooters. Not much larger than a smart phone or an IPod, it can be hidden yet accessible in a purse such as a Raven Shoulder Pouch.

The Beretta Nano represents a compact polymer framed 9mm handgun with interchangeable back straps to better conform to a shooter’s hand. The magazine release is easily removable and can be switched to the right side for left handed shooters.

The Ruger LC9 is the big brother (or big sister) to the Ruger LCP and chambered in the more potent 9mm cartridge. Surprisingly the felt recoil is less than that of the LCP, due mostly to the slightly larger size and weight of the LC9. With an unloaded weight of 17 ounces, the appropriate home for this pistol by the Arizona gun maker might be in a Montana West Original concealed carry purse.
 Quoting: *Evan

Thanks so much for the detailed response.
I always read your posts. I will take these suggestions to the gun store or the GUN SHOW next time.

I'm one of the ladies at them.

Used to be a Libtard - then I married a REAL man and started learning the truth about guns.

I'm only 5'0" so I better be packin' if trouble arises. I could be anyone's MOM.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


I understand, my wife is little too she is only about 5'1

But she is fiesty and knows how to shoot.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247

PS In the state of Missouri you can shoot them in the YARD if they threaten you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


You can shoot people anywhere and everywhere if the circumstances call for it. It's not a blanket invitation to shoot anyone at anytime for anything. Very specific criteria must be met if a person HOPES to have a chance of not being prosecuted.

It is VERY likely that anyone who shoots anyone will be arrested and booked even if the charges are dropped.

Avoidance is always better, if given that opportunity.
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


Look at small revolvers in .38spc or .357mag. See if someone will let you shoot one to get a feel for it.

They are more difficult to reload than semi-automatics, but, if you can't operate a slide a semi-auto should be out of the question. If you ever had a stoppage, you wouldn't be able to clear it.
 Quoting: StarF

Thanks for the answer.

I am learning about guns and I'm good a shooting clays with a shotgun - but the little pistols aren't very accurate.

I like to hit what I aim at with the high cost of ammunition and all. LOL
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Check out Kahr CM-9. Not too pricey and 9MM. The new Glock 42 may be something to check out it is 380 but didn't stop me from getting one.
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Ok non cheesy.. how about this one? tounge


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Can you say "Nacho"?

Not only is it in the same league with the others, but it encourages people to shoot before the "criminal" breaks into the house. Not a good idea.

If the commercial was "true life", the end of the commercial would have that woman wearing an orange jumpsuit that read "INMATE" on the back of it and we would see her she whiling away her youth in the crowbar hotel.

Thanks for trying though.
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Well, in Florida you got the Castle Law and it would be completely legal for her to do that.
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I doubt it VERY much. What you think the law is and what the law really is are 2 different things. It is a VERY fine line between legal and not legal and it is highly unlikely that the average person knows the distinction.

Lawyers specialize in the law. None of them KNOW all of the laws in their own state and so they pick a slice of the pie and they focus on it.

Even if that woman was not charged criminally, which I HIGHLY doubt, she still can look forward to a costly civil trial with the stress that goes along with that. She might lose her home, her friends, her job due to stress.

She might get threats from strangers who knew the victim and her home and car may get vandalized by those people as well.

Nothing good comes from acting rashly and that commercial is a mindless piece of propaganda that some people don't seem capable of understanding.
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Under the circumstances given it strikes me as self defense.

Of course the intent was to make a point, which it did.

What about this?

[link to definitions.uslegal.com]

Curtilage is the immediate, enclosed area surrounding a house or dwelling. The U.S. Supreme Court noted in United States v. Dunn, 480 U.S. 294 (1987), that curtilage is the area immediately surrounding a residence that "harbors the `intimate activity associated with the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of life.'' Curtilage, like a house, is protected under the fourth amendment from "unreasonable searches and seizures.''

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Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also.

1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners.

2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year.

3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun.

4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity.

5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide.

6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners.

7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members.

So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners.


[link to www.gunowners.org (secure)]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

newlaw7
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I just fart in their general direction..
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Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also.

1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners.

2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year.

3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun.

4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity.

5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide.

6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners.

7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members.

So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners.


[link to www.gunowners.org (secure)]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

newlaw7
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I just fart in their general direction..
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Does that typically workout for you?
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Evan. Female here. Concealed carry.

But I had a dream my little 22 plinking gun didn't stop a guy after I shot several times.

For some reason my shotgun wasn't handy.

What can a woman conceal and handle?

I have tiny hands and can barely arm some pistols - have to use two hands to pull the slide back.

But I'm not afraid to shoot if its me or them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


Look at small revolvers in .38spc or .357mag. See if someone will let you shoot one to get a feel for it.

They are more difficult to reload than semi-automatics, but, if you can't operate a slide a semi-auto should be out of the question. If you ever had a stoppage, you wouldn't be able to clear it.
 Quoting: StarF

Thanks for the answer.

I am learning about guns and I'm good a shooting clays with a shotgun - but the little pistols aren't very accurate.

I like to hit what I aim at with the high cost of ammunition and all. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19876247


dry fire is the answer. Practice the elements, draw, sight alignment, press, followup.

The small pistols can be very accurate at realistic ranges.

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Can you say "Nacho"?

Not only is it in the same league with the others, but it encourages people to shoot before the "criminal" breaks into the house. Not a good idea.

If the commercial was "true life", the end of the commercial would have that woman wearing an orange jumpsuit that read "INMATE" on the back of it and we would see her she whiling away her youth in the crowbar hotel.

Thanks for trying though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4171467


Well, in Florida you got the Castle Law and it would be completely legal for her to do that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42315867


I doubt it VERY much. What you think the law is and what the law really is are 2 different things. It is a VERY fine line between legal and not legal and it is highly unlikely that the average person knows the distinction.

Lawyers specialize in the law. None of them KNOW all of the laws in their own state and so they pick a slice of the pie and they focus on it.

Even if that woman was not charged criminally, which I HIGHLY doubt, she still can look forward to a costly civil trial with the stress that goes along with that. She might lose her home, her friends, her job due to stress.

She might get threats from strangers who knew the victim and her home and car may get vandalized by those people as well.

Nothing good comes from acting rashly and that commercial is a mindless piece of propaganda that some people don't seem capable of understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4171467


What about this?

[link to definitions.uslegal.com]
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure?

Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic.

The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property.
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Well, in Florida you got the Castle Law and it would be completely legal for her to do that.
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I doubt it VERY much. What you think the law is and what the law really is are 2 different things. It is a VERY fine line between legal and not legal and it is highly unlikely that the average person knows the distinction.

Lawyers specialize in the law. None of them KNOW all of the laws in their own state and so they pick a slice of the pie and they focus on it.

Even if that woman was not charged criminally, which I HIGHLY doubt, she still can look forward to a costly civil trial with the stress that goes along with that. She might lose her home, her friends, her job due to stress.

She might get threats from strangers who knew the victim and her home and car may get vandalized by those people as well.

Nothing good comes from acting rashly and that commercial is a mindless piece of propaganda that some people don't seem capable of understanding.
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What about this?

[link to definitions.uslegal.com]
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Your link has NOTHING to do with using deadly force. Why have you asked about a 4th amendment issue that deals with search and seizure?

Your link is "Curtilage Law & Legal Definition", which is all about search and seizure. It restricts GOVT. It restricts the police from entering your property and searching. It has nothing to do with the thread topic.

The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with people trespassing on your property.
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Yes of course but the stated situation was at what point can a deadly threat be perceived and acted on?

ans. When the danger enters your space which is the curtlige
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Great thread OP and great discussion!

If you believe that the power comes from the People, then there is no moral or practical reason to disarm the People.
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The Privateers of the for profit private corporation posing as the Public government have a very practical reason.

If they disarmed the people, they would have to increase the size of the police forces in order to provide a bit more protection for their slave labor. This means they can increase taxes. Which means more money in their pockets. It also means they and their lawyers make more money skimming off of the increase in court cases as a result of people breaking the law (and getting caught) just to defend themselves against the rise in criminal activity that results from a disarmed population.

This then results in more police arresting the hard criminals as well, which means more prisons, another big money maker for the Cartel in Charge.
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The Privateers and Publicteers are on-in-the-same. That is the evil of Crony Capitalism/Statism. You are either with them or against them.

I am against them, and thus, they seek to disarm me so that I can be made to comply or be discarded.
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I hear what you are saying. When those who are supposed to be Public servants turn their public offices into vehicles for private gain and favor certain business enterprises over others for kickbacks, this selling out basically gives corporate control over the functions of the State government. Fascism.

Privateering is OK for those engaged in private business.

Not OK for those given public trust.

Another name for a privateer who breaks the law is a pirate.

Piracy is what these legislators are involved in, and you are right, YOU are either their slave or their competition.

Stay strong.
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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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Ban guns to "save the children" but killing them in the womb is totally cool......I see; it makes perfect sense now.
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Thanks Evan!hf
Just got done with 6 days of jury duty. On breaks I was reading reloading artcles and magazines. Great conversation starter on 2A as many were surprised my reading materials would be allowed in a courthouse, even in Texas. Sheez

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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
Thomas Jefferson

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you are uninformed, if you do   
read the newspaper you are   
misinformed. -- Mark Twain

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government is like giving whiskey   
and keys to teenage boys.   
-- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
 





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