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viraja
User ID: 53937228 United States 02/05/2014 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Good stats. I would like to add an observation that I rarely see mentioned. It can't be exactly quantified by statistics, but all the statistics you quoted add legitimacy to it. Imagine the crime stats if guns were made illegal in the same way as alcohol or pot prohibition. It would create the most violent and deadly black market ever seen. It would actually make it EASIER for the criminally inclined to obtain guns, and law abiding citizens would be sitting ducks. And the only way to deal with the hell this would unleash would be to increase the size of every police department by 10x. There would be that many less people to do the work of normal occupations. And there would be constant bloodbaths and innocents shot in crossfire. Liberal idiots have no ability to employ logic to foresee consequences of their delusions. NONE. |
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*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Good stats. I would like to add an observation that I rarely see mentioned. It can't be exactly quantified by statistics, but all the statistics you quoted add legitimacy to it. Imagine the crime stats if guns were made illegal in the same way as alcohol or pot prohibition. It would create the most violent and deadly black market ever seen. It would actually make it EASIER for the criminally inclined to obtain guns, and law abiding citizens would be sitting ducks. And the only way to deal with the hell this would unleash would be to increase the size of every police department by 10x. There would be that many less people to do the work of normal occupations. And there would be constant bloodbaths and innocents shot in crossfire. Liberal idiots have no ability to employ logic to foresee consequences of their delusions. NONE. Very well could be. Whenever something is made illegal, it creates a black market for the item. |
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*Evan
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viraja
User ID: 53937228 United States 02/05/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good stats. Quoting: viraja I would like to add an observation that I rarely see mentioned. It can't be exactly quantified by statistics, but all the statistics you quoted add legitimacy to it. Imagine the crime stats if guns were made illegal in the same way as alcohol or pot prohibition. It would create the most violent and deadly black market ever seen. It would actually make it EASIER for the criminally inclined to obtain guns, and law abiding citizens would be sitting ducks. And the only way to deal with the hell this would unleash would be to increase the size of every police department by 10x. There would be that many less people to do the work of normal occupations. And there would be constant bloodbaths and innocents shot in crossfire. Liberal idiots have no ability to employ logic to foresee consequences of their delusions. NONE. Very well could be. Whenever something is made illegal, it creates a black market for the item. And in this case, it is something that every criminal wants and needs. If they KNOW they can get one, they will. Whereas law abiding people would be more hesitant to do something illegal, especially when getting caught gets them put into prison with hardened criminals. |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good stats. Quoting: viraja I would like to add an observation that I rarely see mentioned. It can't be exactly quantified by statistics, but all the statistics you quoted add legitimacy to it. Imagine the crime stats if guns were made illegal in the same way as alcohol or pot prohibition. It would create the most violent and deadly black market ever seen. It would actually make it EASIER for the criminally inclined to obtain guns, and law abiding citizens would be sitting ducks. And the only way to deal with the hell this would unleash would be to increase the size of every police department by 10x. There would be that many less people to do the work of normal occupations. And there would be constant bloodbaths and innocents shot in crossfire. Liberal idiots have no ability to employ logic to foresee consequences of their delusions. NONE. Very well could be. Whenever something is made illegal, it creates a black market for the item. And in this case, it is something that every criminal wants and needs. If they KNOW they can get one, they will. Whereas law abiding people would be more hesitant to do something illegal, especially when getting caught gets them put into prison with hardened criminals. Agreed. Well said! |
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StarF
User ID: 50995569 United States 02/05/2014 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Second attempt at post) Data/conclusions just confirmed by Obama's own DoJ study... “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” --------- Great thread OP and great discussion! If you believe that the power comes from the People, then there is no moral or practical reason to disarm the People. Star |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Second attempt at post) Data/conclusions just confirmed by Obama's own DoJ study... “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” --------- Great thread OP and great discussion! If you believe that the power comes from the People, then there is no moral or practical reason to disarm the People. Great quote! |
FireSteel
User ID: 48775892 United States 02/05/2014 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Report (Based on Research from 1993 - 2011): Since 1993, Murders Using Guns Down 39%, Violent Crime Down 70% Posted 2/5/14: Violent Crime Using Guns WAY DOWN, Due to Citizens Having Their OWN GUNS FOR SELF DEFENSE !!! See Link Below (includes hard facts, statistics & graphs) LINK: [link to askmarion.wordpress.com] Last Edited by FireSteel on 02/05/2014 03:01 PM |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DoJ Report: Since 1993, Murders Using Guns Down 39%, Violent Crime Down 70% Quoting: FireSteel Posted 2/5/14: Violent Crime Using Guns WAY DOWN, Due to Citizens Having Their OWN GUNS FOR SELF DEFENSE !!! LINK: [link to askmarion.wordpress.com] |
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*Evan
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40663337 United States 02/05/2014 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Americans on here are good to go on this belief. That makes me proud, the police state will never dominate us completley until we are disarmed. Wait until the Aussie and English socialist trolls shit all over this thread with bullshit though. Its coming in a couple hours. |
viraja
User ID: 53937228 United States 02/05/2014 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Second attempt at post) Data/conclusions just confirmed by Obama's own DoJ study... “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” --------- Great thread OP and great discussion! If you believe that the power comes from the People, then there is no moral or practical reason to disarm the People. The Privateers of the for profit private corporation posing as the Public government have a very practical reason. If they disarmed the people, they would have to increase the size of the police forces in order to provide a bit more protection for their slave labor. This means they can increase taxes. Which means more money in their pockets. It also means they and their lawyers make more money skimming off of the increase in court cases as a result of people breaking the law (and getting caught) just to defend themselves against the rise in criminal activity that results from a disarmed population. This then results in more police arresting the hard criminals as well, which means more prisons, another big money maker for the Cartel in Charge. |
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*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Americans on here are good to go on this belief. That makes me proud, the police state will never dominate us completley until we are disarmed. Wait until the Aussie and English socialist trolls shit all over this thread with bullshit though. Its coming in a couple hours. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40663337 Yea well, their opinions about my right to defend myself, my family and my property, couldn't be any lower on my give a sh*t list. |
Page Ala Cearl
User ID: 44688063 United States 02/05/2014 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Nice post! In a trail of fire I know we will be free again, in the end we will be one, in a trail of fire I'll burn before you bury me. |
*Evan
(OP) User ID: 43993722 United States 02/05/2014 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Nice post! Thanks! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42719781 United States 02/05/2014 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Americans on here are good to go on this belief. That makes me proud, the police state will never dominate us completley until we are disarmed. Wait until the Aussie and English socialist trolls shit all over this thread with bullshit though. Its coming in a couple hours. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40663337 Yea well, their opinions about my right to defend myself, my family and my property, couldn't be any lower on my give a sh*t list. Agreed, and I've never understood why some of them seem utterly obsessed with US gun laws, unless its jealousy. Its funny, they all want the US to butt out of everyone else's business, but apparently, its OK for them to do it. Typical liberals in that regard. |
Soma/Comatose
User ID: 43430370 United States 02/05/2014 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some stats for you guys. I will provide some links also. Quoting: *Evan 1) Between 1.5-2.5 million crimes are stopped each year by legal gun owners. 2) 200,000 women stop a sexual attack with a gun each year. 3) Only 8% of those crimes stopped by gun, actually required a criminal to be shot. Most were scared away by the sight of the gun. 4) About 2% of the criminals shot by legal gunowners were a case of mistaken identity, and an innocent was shot. Compare that to 11% of police shootings resulting in an innocent being shot due to mistaken identity. 5) In 2010 almost 2/3 of gun deaths in America were by suicide. 6) The vast majority of homicides by firearm are done in poor urban areas usually associated with gang violence. Not by legal gunowners. 7) In 2010 there were 11,000 homicides by firearm. 90% of those were gang members shooting other gang members. So I think the stats speak for themselves. Guns help stop more violence than they create. Plus when there is gun violence, the majority is gang members killing other gang members. Not legal gun owners. [link to www.gunowners.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] ''Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.'' —President George W. Bush, Sept. 6, 2004 |
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Hawkesbay
User ID: 24538381 United States 02/05/2014 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a friend that had a huge sales territory, most of the west coast. He always carried a gun because his clients were mostly in the seedy industrial parts of town. He was stopped at a light in the port area of Tacoma, when a fellow rushed up to his car, grabbed the driver's side door handle, and yanked. Fortunately, the door was locked. My friend reached for his piece, pointed it in the thugs face, and he ran away faster than he'd approached. The light turned green, and my friend drove to his next appointment. Maybe the locked door would have been enough to discourage the would-be attacker, but maybe not. Always better to be safe than dead. |
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User ID: 44688063 United States 02/05/2014 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Americans on here are good to go on this belief. That makes me proud, the police state will never dominate us completley until we are disarmed. Wait until the Aussie and English socialist trolls shit all over this thread with bullshit though. Its coming in a couple hours. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40663337 Yup..and look what happened to England after their gun control or what happened after Hitler's gun control. Ask yourself why would a country founded off wars fought with guns want to take your guns....because they want to take your country and everything you have. Don't let them....They are the nessasary means to an end for stopping tyranny In a trail of fire I know we will be free again, in the end we will be one, in a trail of fire I'll burn before you bury me. |
Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 41632673 United States 02/05/2014 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gun control is not about guns, it's about control! The government finds armed citizens a lot harder to control. We wont just walk onto the FEMA bus. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
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